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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby john68 » Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:17 am

Just read through that thread Craig and didn't know that Halifax RLFC played a part in Town's downfall. It didn't suprise me though. Around the same time, they broke the Superleague salsry cap, enabling them to buy players, they couldn'r afford, that kept them up. It was Salford who suffered relegation.

I really must try and find that pic of the Shay with the bits of Stand from City's Hyde Road ground.

Am wandering over to the Fleece for my Xmas Dinner Later.
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby Dameerto » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:18 pm

I was lucky enough to play an amateur game of Rugby league at the Shay a couple of decades ago, how are their attendances doing these days by the way?
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby craigmcfc » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:31 pm

Dameerto wrote:I was lucky enough to play an amateur game of Rugby league at the Shay a couple of decades ago, how are their attendances doing these days by the way?


They were averaging just over 2k last season I think. Never been too big a fan of Halifax RFL as really they were my teams (Giants) rivals and I agree with John on the whole salary cap situation

I'm just hoping that the football team can become the towns' main sporting team again
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby Dameerto » Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:34 am

That's big for their level - it would be a decent Blue Square Prem figure. With support like that, they should be back to where they were in a few seasons.
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby craigmcfc » Sun Dec 26, 2010 10:49 am

Dameerto wrote:That's big for their level - it would be a decent Blue Square Prem figure. With support like that, they should be back to where they were in a few seasons.


Ahhh sorry mate I thought you meant the rugby attendances. The football is around 1,300 which is still good for that level
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby Dameerto » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:21 pm

craigmcfc wrote:
Dameerto wrote:That's big for their level - it would be a decent Blue Square Prem figure. With support like that, they should be back to where they were in a few seasons.


Ahhh sorry mate I thought you meant the rugby attendances. The football is around 1,300 which is still good for that level



Aaah I see, I should have been a bit clearer. Still a good figure though, and compares well with the Blue Square Prem teams.
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby patrickblue » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:18 pm

There you go John, the old Hyde Road stand at the Shay.

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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby craigmcfc » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:22 pm

You've just made his christmas Patrick
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby patrickblue » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:28 pm

craigmcfc wrote:You've just made his christmas Patrick


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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby craigmcfc » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:55 am

I apologise in advance for bumping this again, I will let it slide gracefully away after today, but I thought yesterdays result may be of interest to a few on here

FC Halifax 4 FC Utd of Manc 1

Off the Halifax OS - What a start to 2011. A 4-1 win over FC United and Town break the Evo-Stik attendance record with a staggering 4023 fans inside the Shay Stadium to witness the game.

Fantastic credit must go to Neil Aspin, his squad of players for being nine points clear at the top of the table following today's result with three games in hand over second placed Colwyn Bay who are the team we are playing on Monday so another big game coming up for Town
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby craigmcfc » Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:30 pm

Just wanted to add a quick post to this thread as Halifax were promoted as Champions today, with 5 matches remaining, and are now another step along the road to the Conference level. Next season they'll be in the Blue Square North, which is going to be quite a significant step up, but I'm hoping for a 3rd promotion season in a row and back in the Blue Square Premier at the start of the 2012/2013 season

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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby Dameerto » Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:32 pm

craigmcfc wrote:Just wanted to add a quick post to this thread as Halifax were promoted as Champions today, with 5 matches remaining, and are now another step along the road to the Conference level. Next season they'll be in the Blue Square North, which is going to be quite a significant step up, but I'm hoping for a 3rd promotion season in a row and back in the Blue Square Premier at the start of the 2012/2013 season

Well done the Shaymen


It's a weak league, they should be there or thereabouts next season if things go to plan. (depending on who drops down obviously)
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby craigmcfc » Sat Apr 09, 2011 7:14 pm

Dameerto wrote:
craigmcfc wrote:Just wanted to add a quick post to this thread as Halifax were promoted as Champions today, with 5 matches remaining, and are now another step along the road to the Conference level. Next season they'll be in the Blue Square North, which is going to be quite a significant step up, but I'm hoping for a 3rd promotion season in a row and back in the Blue Square Premier at the start of the 2012/2013 season

Well done the Shaymen


It's a weak league, they should be there or thereabouts next season if things go to plan. (depending on who drops down obviously)


I hope you're right
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby Arjan Van Schotte » Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:09 pm

well, as a "seasoned" npl supporter - am gutted that halifax have gone up - they should have been relegated to the ncel div one a la scarborough. and next year we'll have chester who should have also gone down to step 10. crime pays apparently.
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby BostonBlue » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:24 am

Well done to Halifax, seen them play a few times although from the other side following Rochdale over the years. The Dale incidently are a couple of points out of the league 1 playoffs with a game in hand, a stellar season for them and will probably go down as their best ever regardless of getting in the playoffs.
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby roblues » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:29 am

BostonBlue wrote:Well done to Halifax, seen them play a few times although from the other side following Rochdale over the years. The Dale incidently are a couple of points out of the league 1 playoffs with a game in hand, a stellar season for them and will probably go down as their best ever regardless of getting in the playoffs.


I've had a couple of great experiences watching the Dale at Halifax too, I particularly remember having the luxury of a roof over my head for one game that they won in the last minute through Paddy McCourt.
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby john68 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:47 am

patrickblue wrote:There you go John, the old Hyde Road stand at the Shay.

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Thanks for bumping this thread up Craig, I missed it the 1st time round....and thanks for the pic PaddyBlue...It is far better than the one I had previously seen.

Can someone clarify which side it is? Is it the side nearest to the side road where Glynn Webb is (used to be?)...or is it the side nearest the main road that goes in to Halifax centre?

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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby craigmcfc » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:20 am

Definitely was on the side next to the main road John
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby gary james » Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:54 am

john68 wrote:
patrickblue wrote:There you go John, the old Hyde Road stand at the Shay.

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Thanks for bumping this thread up Craig, I missed it the 1st time round....and thanks for the pic PaddyBlue...It is far better than the one I had previously seen.

Can someone clarify which side it is? Is it the side nearest to the side road where Glynn Webb is (used to be?)...or is it the side nearest the main road that goes in to Halifax centre?

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It's on Skircoat Road/Huddersfield Road. The stand looked different when it was Hyde Rd because back then it was a multi-span roof, not one long continuous span. They basically stuck the spans together to create the stand. This image shows a re-clad version of the stand as well (it was re-clad in the 90s).

However..... According to most Halifax material (library, football club etc.) the stand was built in 2 parts - there's a noticeable difference in the 2 sections on photos of the stand pre-the re-clad. The first part of the stand (the left side if stood under the roof) to be built was erected in 1921 - 2 years before City left Hyde Rd!

The second section was erected later in the 20s.

The assumption was always that only the right side (if stood under the roof) was from Hyde Rd. I inspected the stand in 1987 and compared the stanchions with those at Hyde Rd from photos and they all looked the same, yet part of the stand was in place before City moved - it didn't make sense. Then in the late 90s a guy got in touch with me about his factory in South Manchester that had been built out of the metalwork from a Hyde Rd stand. I went to his factory, checked the girders etc and it matched the Shay (notice the standchions are quite distinctive) and when we measured they also matched the scale of those at Hyde Rd.

This guy had absolute proof that his metalwork came from Hyde Rd - there was a document in his club's archives. His factory was demolished and all of the metalwork was offered to City (late 1990s) and they willingly accepted some of it (not all - one or two spans). I helped organise this but in 2002 when I started setting up the museum at City all the metalwork had mysteriously disappeared. The guy who had accepted the metalwork on City's behalf was no longer working there and no one knew what had happened to it - it seems it was given away to a scrap dealer!

Back to The Shay - the conclusion I reached (though there are still some loose ends to tie up) is that the stand used for the factory in South Manchester was probably from the Popular Side at Hyde Rd, and that the entire stand from the Shay may be from Hyde Rd. The first section (that nearest the left in the photo) was erected in 1921 and was probably the Galloway End at Hyde Rd (no photos of this in place at Hyde Rd have yet been found from 1922-23 and an earlier photo from 1920 suggests it was in the process of being dismantled though that's not conclusive).

The second section (built after 1923) could be from the Stoneyard Stand or the Galloway End (depending on the first section's history) at Hyde Rd. The stanchions certainly match.

I have no doubt that part of this stand is from Hyde Rd and I know that those stanchions seen clearly on the photo are the same as the ones on City's old multi-span roofs. The big issue is the actual purchase date. I was once contacted by a guy who also had evidence of turnstiles/payboxes at the Shay that came from Hyde Rd, but they don't appear to be in place now.

The roof and some turnstile/payboxes cost Halifax Town £1,000.

Sorry for going on, but this is something I have a great interest in. A few years back they announced a total redevelopment of the Shay including the removal of this stand, so I've had it on my 'watch' list. Fortunately, the financial issues that have affected sport in Halifax and Calderdale Council have meant that the Stand has survived and probably will for some time yet.

Finally, good luck Halifax.
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Re: FC Halifax Town - The Phoenix Rises

Postby gary james » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:31 am

I've just added to my Facebook page some images from my books of the metalwork at Hyde Rd and The Shay. When I get chance I'll dig out my images from the factory in South Manchester that match.

Images are in my 'Research' folder and also include an image of the Shay's first game in 1921 with part of the stand in place (2 years before Hyde Rd's last game).

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