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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby MaineRoadMemories » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:37 pm

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Avalon wrote:We have a poor away record. We are, however, not the first team to have that. Real madrid had a poor away record this season.


I would hardly call 10 wins, 4 draws and 2 defeats a poor away record. Do some research before posting


I would call that a great away record. Unfortunately its not ours.


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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:42 pm

Boring. negative football is never acceptable.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby freshie » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:49 pm

Blue in the face wrote:
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Avalon wrote:We have a poor away record. We are, however, not the first team to have that. Real madrid had a poor away record this season.


I would hardly call 10 wins, 4 draws and 2 defeats a poor away record. Do some research before posting


I would call that a great away record. Unfortunately its not ours.


Sorry, should have made it clearer that it's Real Madrid's away record this season
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby 13021J » Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:50 pm

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13021J wrote:I know where you are coming from but it will take years to build the cohesion needed to sustain excellence over the season in all comps like the Scum. In the meantime we will struggle in parts of the season no matter how much we spend.

Incremental improvement is the only option unfortunately. You can't buy the title in 2-3 years.

Therefore as long as there are signs of progress, and that is certainly the case currently, we should allow Mancini to see out hus contract.


You really have to be taking the fucking piss with that last statement. Dour,football, dreadful tactics, Kolarov, Balotelli, hanging onto 4th for dear life, in a semi-final against the rags, what fucking progress have we seen from when he took over? Its like groundhog day.

If it hadnt been for Tevez' one man show, we'd have been royally fucked this season. Now we don't have him, the whole fucking show is set to fall apart because this clueless cunt has dined out on Tevez for 18 months.

So let me get this right, City finish 4th and win the FA Cup, but you would want Mancini's head because he didn't play pretty football? Who the fuck are you the President of Real Madrid?

Just have some fucking patience and see what happens, thus is certainly the most successful City have been in my lifetime so you won't find me bitching like some Rag glory hunter.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby Im_Spartacus » Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:49 pm

13021J wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
13021J wrote:I know where you are coming from but it will take years to build the cohesion needed to sustain excellence over the season in all comps like the Scum. In the meantime we will struggle in parts of the season no matter how much we spend.

Incremental improvement is the only option unfortunately. You can't buy the title in 2-3 years.

Therefore as long as there are signs of progress, and that is certainly the case currently, we should allow Mancini to see out hus contract.


You really have to be taking the fucking piss with that last statement. Dour,football, dreadful tactics, Kolarov, Balotelli, hanging onto 4th for dear life, in a semi-final against the rags, what fucking progress have we seen from when he took over? Its like groundhog day.

If it hadnt been for Tevez' one man show, we'd have been royally fucked this season. Now we don't have him, the whole fucking show is set to fall apart because this clueless cunt has dined out on Tevez for 18 months.

So let me get this right, City finish 4th and win the FA Cup, but you would want Mancini's head because he didn't play pretty football? Who the fuck are you the President of Real Madrid?

Just have some fucking patience and see what happens, thus is certainly the most successful City have been in my lifetime so you won't find me bitching like some Rag glory hunter.


You said there are certainly signs of progress..........we havent even got to the final of the cunting thing yet, and are in an almost identical situation to last season in the league, where 4th place is potentially dependant on the head to head with spurs.

Mancini bottled both last year. If we only blow one this time round, I admit that will be progress, but we have made zero progress as things stand because we have still achieved fuck all.

Add in Mancini's penchant for sending teams out to play like cunts and as a result choke in important games, and you will surely forgive my pessimism.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby 13021J » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:09 am

You're right of course, we could either have a very good season on our hands or the same anti climax as last season, and following Monday night we naturally expect the Armageddon scenario after which serious questions should be asked.

But let's stay positive, the CL is still in our hands and we have a shot at FA cup glory for the first time since 1981.

Mancini has got us here so credit is due. Similarly should he fuck everything up now he is in a spot of trouble.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby Avalon » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:43 am

freshie wrote:With the squad we have and the relative inconsistency of all the top teams we should be making a serious challenge for the title, not
looking over our shoulders at Spurs as we battle to hang on for 4th place.


Inconcisistency of all the top teams. It is just a strange season and that is how the cookie crumbles.

freshie wrote:In addition to this he makes baffling team selections, uninspiring substitutions and despite a wealth of attacking options that would be the envy of most prem teams he sends his teams out with the most negative tactics to play the most boring style of football seen since Stuart Pearce was in charge.


As I stated, there's no rule that one has to be entertaining. It is a misconception. If you want to be entertained and you don't get it, well I'm sorry for ya. I'd rather see City win the EPL with "boring negative" football than come 2nd with impressive football.

freshie wrote:As for his signings, despite spending close to £150m on players we are no better off than we were last season and David Silva is the only signing he can be proud of - the rest have been abysmal. To top it all off he has fallen out with Bellamy who was one of our best players last season and has clashed on numerous occasions with Tevez (who now looks like he may have played his last game for us) yet signs an extremely difficult player in Balotelli who quite frankly has been more trouble than he is worth. Balotelli or Bellamy? I'm with the fiery little Welshman.

Rant over ;)


I think Yaya has been pretty good and Dzeko has shown signs of what's to come when he gets the service he requires... but that's just me.

freshie wrote:I would hardly call 10 wins, 4 draws and 2 defeats a poor away record. Do some research before posting


When your only rival is Barcelona and no other team matters, those 4 draws and 2 defeats are pretty abysmal.

freshie wrote:Well we're playing ugly and still not winning so what next?


But we're fourth. Wasn't that our target? Or has this suddenly changed?

freshie wrote:You're right, there is no rule that states a game has to be entertaining. But then by your logic there is no point trying to win games either because there is no rule that states teams have to win. The reason we go to watch football matches is because we want to be entertained. If the only reason you watch football is to watch your team win then you are no better than the glory hunters who 'support' the scum. Unless my memory fails me we have won fuck all in the last 35 years so why support City?


Actually, there's a rule that states to win the EPL, you need to have the most points out of any team. This can only be achieved by winning enough games, so indirectly the rule states you have to win games to win the league and, in the end, that is what it is all about, win titles, win trophies.

And no, I don't watch a team just to see them win. However, I'm not saying that I'd rather see them play brilliant and lose, than play boring and win. I'd rather have 3 points than take credit for playing brilliant. Your last comment proves my opinion exactly. For 35 years, we've won nothing. Now we have a manager that has sorted out our defense and has made us one of the toughest teams to break through, we're fighting for fourth and are still in the FA Cup and we're complaining? The last two season have been by far the best we've had since a very long time and it is not good enough? I think a rich owner has made you spoiled.

I agree that it can be frustrating to watch, however, we're doing better than we've done in a long time. On top of that, this is only our second season with him, if you really expected to win anything this season, then I feel really sorry for you, the media fever must have gotten you. I, personally, didn't expect to win anything. Not because I don't think we can't, but because I think we need to improve and be a cohesive unit, rather than 4-5 good players and a bunch of others around that. Maybe it is the realist in me.

freshie wrote:The reason the Premiership is the most watched league in the world is because it is the most entertaining. It's massive worldwide appeal ensures that we get the highest possible revenue from worldwide television rights and the subsequent inflow of money allows English teams to buy some of the best players in the world. If every game finished 1-0 or 0-0 would this be the case? I think not. The Sheikh's vision is to make City one of the biggest clubs in the world which includes increasing our global support - this will happen by being successful and playing attractive football as that is what fans want to see. There is no reason why being successful and playing attractive football have to be mutually exclusive


I think it has more to do with the success of British clubs in Europe. I mean, La Liga is pretty exciting too and has a lot more attractive football than the EPL has. Even clubs like Hercules can be entertaining where clubs like Bolton and Blackburn just rough players up.

Your last comment is not entirely correct. Clubs like Juventus, AC Milan and Inter have all been the so-called "boring" football teams, yet their stature in Europe is great, especially AC Milan. If we can win by playing attractive, great. I'm all for attractive football. However, if we can win by being effective, great too. Considering you complain about the fans of Rags Utd, the "business" fans, corporations and basically the glory hunters, as you call it, why would you want City to get the same fans?

In the end, let's have Mancini just do his thing. We've only just started with him. If we keep changing managers around, we'll hardly get any success. As much as it pains me to say, Rags Utd success didn't come, because they changed managers around all the time. They stuck with a man... troll and it paid off. If we keep moaning every two seasons about a manager not being good enough, we'll get nowhere.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Apr 14, 2011 11:58 am

The proof will be in the pudding as they say. I'll be back to check the oven on the 22nd of May, hopefully there'll be a cherry on top with a nice away win against Bolton.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby john68 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:41 am

I am finding this quite amusing..
Hughes out last year = instant success. it was only Hughes and his Tafia that was holding back a squad of great players from success. A new manager would sort it out.
Mancini out this year = instant success. It is only Mancini, Kidd and Potato Head that are holding back this squad of great players from success. A new manager will sort it out!!!

Our next Messiah will soon sort us out next season...and so will the one the season after...and the season after...and....I'm past caring...I just think it's funny.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:52 am

john68 wrote:I am finding this quite amusing..
Hughes out last year = instant success. it was only Hughes and his Tafia that was holding back a squad of great players from success. A new manager would sort it out.
Mancini out this year = instant success. It is only Mancini, Kidd and Potato Head that are holding back this squad of great players from success. A new manager will sort it out!!!

Our next Messiah will soon sort us out next season...and so will the one the season after...and the season after...and....I'm past caring...I just think it's funny.


If we do not finish 4th and/or win the FA cup he will be gone.....I think that just about makes it into the "Fact" bracket.

And quite right as well.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby Slim » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:04 am

More bad managers out there than good, you gotta shuck a lot of oysters before you find a pearl.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby john68 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:47 am

Carl,
I am certain that Mancini will be well aware of the consequences of missing out on CL qualification, I don't think the FA Cup comes into the equation. This could be City's last chance saloon to balance the books. Our owners will have already assessed their options.
I'd be suprised if Mancini survived if he failed to reach the target set. He may still go even if he makes 4th, depending on how much progress they think he's made.

Shlim,
We've been shucking on them for a very long time mate. I'm not convinced that we shucked on shome for long enough to find out whether there was a pearl in shome of them.
I am still absolutely convinced that some of our present day fans would have screamed for the head of Mercer in 1968-69. Even after winning us the League, Before our successful FA Cup run began, we were abysmal. It would have been judged as a massive failure, the rag media would have had a field day and the pressure would have been immense.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:14 am

john68 wrote:Carl,
I am certain that Mancini will be well aware of the consequences of missing out on CL qualification, I don't think the FA Cup comes into the equation. This could be City's last chance saloon to balance the books. Our owners will have already assessed their options.
I'd be suprised if Mancini survived if he failed to reach the target set. He may still go even if he makes 4th, depending on how much progress they think he's made.

Shlim,
We've been shucking on them for a very long time mate. I'm not convinced that we shucked on shome for long enough to find out whether there was a pearl in shome of them.
I am still absolutely convinced that some of our present day fans would have screamed for the head of Mercer in 1968-69. Even after winning us the League, Before our successful FA Cup run began, we were abysmal. It would have been judged as a massive failure, the rag media would have had a field day and the pressure would have been immense.


John - you have got to stop comparing today with football and football finance over 4 decades ago ffs !! investing 300 million quid has its unique pressures...nothing like that can be compared to other decades....nothing.

The irony is..you know full well you cant compare.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby MaineRoadMemories » Fri Apr 15, 2011 6:59 am

You know I think if Mancini managed us when it was still 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw and the keeper could pick up the ball from a backpass and hold on to it for as long as he wanted he'd have a very successful team :-)
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby bluej » Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:18 am

MaineRoadMemories wrote:You know I think if Mancini managed us when it was still 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw and the keeper could pick up the ball from a backpass and hold on to it for as long as he wanted he'd have a very successful team :-)


Ah but Hughes would never have been sacked if that was still the case, all those draws wouldn't have been so damaging!
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby john68 » Fri Apr 15, 2011 12:27 pm

Carl me 'ol luv,
Almost everyday I hear the similar message of how life has changed yadayada...and I look round and guess what?...When you look deep down Pal...There's not that much that really changes at all.
I agree that the money changes the pressures that clubs, managers and players are under. I would also add that the all encompassing media coverage has caused society to become less patient and demand immediacy (in all speres of society).

But while everyone is demanding this and screaming for that, there is one thong that has not changed in football. The reality that there has never ever...EVER...been a team built in months, that has been able to attain success and then sustain it it. It hasn't happened, it isn't happening and it never...ever...EVER will happen Carl.
It takes time to bring in the targetted players, it takes time to try and blend them, it takes time to work out the weaknesses and strengths, the ones who will make it and the pones who will fail and it then taskes more time to offload them and bring in the right replacements. It then takes a little more time until those replacements settle in (or don't settle in)...and so it goes on.

How many years before Hart reaches his potential. Is Micah the finished article? Who is the best replacement for Kolo with Konpany and will Boateng and Kolarov adjust to the physicality of the Prem before next season?...All remain open questions.
Milner and Barry?...Will we ship out SWP or will he find his old form? Will Balotelli grow up and mature into a World superstar and will Dzeko get the right service and will he start to score?...

We are very much still work in progress mate. Far too many unanswered questions to make definitive judgements. I'm sorry carl, but whether you, I or anyone else likes it, our development will just mean waiting...and waiting...and waiting. If we don't allow some of those questions to be answered, we will continue in a state of flux and niothing will ever change Mate.

You need patience...mon petit hero....:-)
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby Kladze » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:03 pm

john68 wrote:
We are very much still work in progress mate.


<groan> What has that got to do with style; approach; attitude, positivity over negativity etc ? </groan>
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:36 pm

I think the post above says it all for me John......I want to see all those areas progress....the thing is we haven't have we ? which is why the "Mancini outers" are well within their rights imo.

You have to stand by your decisions and expect a back lash when you buy expensive flops like Kolorov.

We need short term success NOW john...CL is a must.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby john68 » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:31 pm

@ Kladze,
Funny but you seem to be cemented to the view put out by the media. I suppose if you followed Spurs, you'd be jumping up and down with joy at the manner their positivity has scored fewer goals than us.

@ Carl,
Short term success is quite easy to get mate. You buy older, experienced players, who have been there and done it. They give you short term happiness. You have to understand that City are planning for long term success. Success that can be sustained over years. It means buying players who have the skills but need to be developed.It means choosing Hart over Given, it means taking time to work with and improve Micah, it means working with the likes of Boyata for next season, it means buying and taking the chance on Balo, Boateng, Dzeko and Kolarov. It means allowing Silva to settle in....Sorry carl but long term sustained success just doesn't arrive with a click of the fingers. That's why taggart was nearly sacked, he too went for the long option. I want the long option too.
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Re: Mancini is the man

Postby Kladze » Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:45 pm

Thing is this John .......

Given the right evidence I will be more than willing to change my opinion - that's a promise.

You, on the other hand, will stick to this same line of 'reasoning' whatever evidence to the contrary might reveal.

Anyway, fuck it! today is not the day to be at each other's throats.

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