Why was that not a bad performance ?Ted Hughes wrote:I can't imagine what it's going to be like if we actually have a genuinely bad performance.
This business about manager's constant wonderful substitutions is utter tripe. If we had Solskjaer & Giggs on the bench last night they'd both have come on. It doesn't take a fucking genius to do that. Benitez however would've probably brought on a fullback. He's won the chump's league though. Wengers substitutions are often bizzarre & Mourinho once changed 3 players at half time & OBVIOUSLY someone then got injured. GENIUS.
At some point during the season, Hughes will bring on RSC & he'll score. That won't mean he's a genius. If he brings on Vincent, puts Lescott Centre forward & HE scores THEN it would be clever. Very rarely do any of the top managers do anything like that & succeed though. Mostly they have world class players & swap them, which is exactly what Hughes will do. Sometimes it will work.
CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:Exactly working from stats, 99% of the time there will be no problem and it will be a good method.john68 wrote:Last season Hughes made a number of substitutions that baffled me at the time. Later when questioned about them, his explanations seemed plausible and I then understood what he was trying to do.
What I do know is that, during a game, Hughes has access to very complex set of individual stats on each player and is fully aware of every aspect of their individual performance and the way it impacts on tactics as a whole.
Maybe, the fact that Hughes has this information shows him things that generally would remain unseen. As long as we keep on schedule, and I think we are slightly ahead at the moment, I will be happy to remain baffled and celebrate the gains we are making content in the knowledge that he probably knows what is going on, more than I do.
However there will be matches where he needs to go off what his eyes are seeing, I see us having problems against opposition that is more evenly matched on the pitch, I hope Hughes proves me wrong but I see him struggling against the top managers as he did last season, it was no coincidence that other than a solitary win against Arsenal we struggled against the top 4.
Fortune favours the brave and last nights match was there for the taking, Villa are not a great side
CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:Why was that not a bad performance ?Ted Hughes wrote:I can't imagine what it's going to be like if we actually have a genuinely bad performance.
This business about manager's constant wonderful substitutions is utter tripe. If we had Solskjaer & Giggs on the bench last night they'd both have come on. It doesn't take a fucking genius to do that. Benitez however would've probably brought on a fullback. He's won the chump's league though. Wengers substitutions are often bizzarre & Mourinho once changed 3 players at half time & OBVIOUSLY someone then got injured. GENIUS.
At some point during the season, Hughes will bring on RSC & he'll score. That won't mean he's a genius. If he brings on Vincent, puts Lescott Centre forward & HE scores THEN it would be clever. Very rarely do any of the top managers do anything like that & succeed though. Mostly they have world class players & swap them, which is exactly what Hughes will do. Sometimes it will work.
My perception and your perception of a bad performance differ greatly then, for me we played our worst match of the season, we were over run in midfield for the first 45 minutes leaving De Jong woefully exposed, whilst the manager sat by and did nothing we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down, our defending from set pieces is virtually none existent hence the once hapless Dunne scoring one and nearly scoring another before Hughes did anything about it, I watched City players running in to each other on more than one occasion, admittedly it got better after the break bringing on SI for the injured De Jong,we started to get back in to it and then brought on the clearly unfit RSC and with it when any chance of a victory.
I thought in the first half we were losing the battle in midfield.Ted Hughes wrote:CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:Why was that not a bad performance ?Ted Hughes wrote:I can't imagine what it's going to be like if we actually have a genuinely bad performance.
This business about manager's constant wonderful substitutions is utter tripe. If we had Solskjaer & Giggs on the bench last night they'd both have come on. It doesn't take a fucking genius to do that. Benitez however would've probably brought on a fullback. He's won the chump's league though. Wengers substitutions are often bizzarre & Mourinho once changed 3 players at half time & OBVIOUSLY someone then got injured. GENIUS.
At some point during the season, Hughes will bring on RSC & he'll score. That won't mean he's a genius. If he brings on Vincent, puts Lescott Centre forward & HE scores THEN it would be clever. Very rarely do any of the top managers do anything like that & succeed though. Mostly they have world class players & swap them, which is exactly what Hughes will do. Sometimes it will work.
My perception and your perception of a bad performance differ greatly then, for me we played our worst match of the season, we were over run in midfield for the first 45 minutes leaving De Jong woefully exposed, whilst the manager sat by and did nothing we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down, our defending from set pieces is virtually none existent hence the once hapless Dunne scoring one and nearly scoring another before Hughes did anything about it, I watched City players running in to each other on more than one occasion, admittedly it got better after the break bringing on SI for the injured De Jong,we started to get back in to it and then brought on the clearly unfit RSC and with it when any chance of a victory.
We WEREN'T overrun in midfield. We had 60% of the ball. That's probably more than we've ever had v anybody in the PL. If you think we were then we have no point of discussion.
CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:I thought in the first half we were losing the battle in midfield.Ted Hughes wrote:CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:Why was that not a bad performance ?Ted Hughes wrote:I can't imagine what it's going to be like if we actually have a genuinely bad performance.
This business about manager's constant wonderful substitutions is utter tripe. If we had Solskjaer & Giggs on the bench last night they'd both have come on. It doesn't take a fucking genius to do that. Benitez however would've probably brought on a fullback. He's won the chump's league though. Wengers substitutions are often bizzarre & Mourinho once changed 3 players at half time & OBVIOUSLY someone then got injured. GENIUS.
At some point during the season, Hughes will bring on RSC & he'll score. That won't mean he's a genius. If he brings on Vincent, puts Lescott Centre forward & HE scores THEN it would be clever. Very rarely do any of the top managers do anything like that & succeed though. Mostly they have world class players & swap them, which is exactly what Hughes will do. Sometimes it will work.
My perception and your perception of a bad performance differ greatly then, for me we played our worst match of the season, we were over run in midfield for the first 45 minutes leaving De Jong woefully exposed, whilst the manager sat by and did nothing we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down, our defending from set pieces is virtually none existent hence the once hapless Dunne scoring one and nearly scoring another before Hughes did anything about it, I watched City players running in to each other on more than one occasion, admittedly it got better after the break bringing on SI for the injured De Jong,we started to get back in to it and then brought on the clearly unfit RSC and with it when any chance of a victory.
We WEREN'T overrun in midfield. We had 60% of the ball. That's probably more than we've ever had v anybody in the PL. If you think we were then we have no point of discussion.
But if you say we had 60% possession then that means I must be wrong.
sandman wrote:CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:Do others like me find some of Hughes tactics and substitutions baffling?
I am not basing this on one match, I am basing with observations I made last season and this season, last season there were many matches where I felt Hughes dawdled in making substitutions, and when he did belatedly make them I was just confused, throwing a 2-0 lead against Liverpool because we were unable to shut up shop is one that springs to mind, playing right sided players on the left etc were others.
We have had a great season so far, yet I feel we lost to the Scum because Hughes changed things at half time and took far to long to revert back to the same system, I remember De Jong pleading with him to sure up the midfield because we were being over run, he took far to long to change things, tonight for me it was evident very early on that midfield was none existent, substitutions should have been made after maybe just half an hour, bringing on SI was a positive move, then any benefit from it effectively evaporated by bringing on the clearly unfit RSC ,I feel we could and should have beaten these if the right choices were made by Hughes.
bad choices might cost us in the bigger games where Hughes needs to pit his whit’s against the top 4.
I totally agree with this and this is the only reason I am still in the Hughes Out Brigade, unfortunately as good as he is in the purchasing side of managment I honestly believe he does not have enough in his bag of tricks to contend for trophies, Arse, Scum and Scousers have [url]all proven they have managers who can change a game for the better with a single substitution, we dont[/url].
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:I thought in the first half we were losing the battle in midfield.Ted Hughes wrote:CITYTILLIDIE11 wrote:Why was that not a bad performance ?Ted Hughes wrote:I can't imagine what it's going to be like if we actually have a genuinely bad performance.
This business about manager's constant wonderful substitutions is utter tripe. If we had Solskjaer & Giggs on the bench last night they'd both have come on. It doesn't take a fucking genius to do that. Benitez however would've probably brought on a fullback. He's won the chump's league though. Wengers substitutions are often bizzarre & Mourinho once changed 3 players at half time & OBVIOUSLY someone then got injured. GENIUS.
At some point during the season, Hughes will bring on RSC & he'll score. That won't mean he's a genius. If he brings on Vincent, puts Lescott Centre forward & HE scores THEN it would be clever. Very rarely do any of the top managers do anything like that & succeed though. Mostly they have world class players & swap them, which is exactly what Hughes will do. Sometimes it will work.
My perception and your perception of a bad performance differ greatly then, for me we played our worst match of the season, we were over run in midfield for the first 45 minutes leaving De Jong woefully exposed, whilst the manager sat by and did nothing we were lucky to go in only 1-0 down, our defending from set pieces is virtually none existent hence the once hapless Dunne scoring one and nearly scoring another before Hughes did anything about it, I watched City players running in to each other on more than one occasion, admittedly it got better after the break bringing on SI for the injured De Jong,we started to get back in to it and then brought on the clearly unfit RSC and with it when any chance of a victory.
We WEREN'T overrun in midfield. We had 60% of the ball. That's probably more than we've ever had v anybody in the PL. If you think we were then we have no point of discussion.
But if you say we had 60% possession then that means I must be wrong.
60% of the possession is what was said near the end of the first half. No way we were overrun in midfiled and pretty well all Villa's threat was from corners. Having said that ,although it was not a very good peformance it certainly wasn't a bad one. I thought our weakest players were Ade/Tevez and SWP and then RSC when he came on .I really think if they had all been on the top of their game we would have won.
As for the substitutions yes Ireland came on very early in the 2nd half for an injury but it wouldnt have been much later anyway. The big question was the next sub. 2 would have been made but we scored before it could happen. Immediately the ball went in it was decided to hold one sub back which is 100% logical to cover the team in case there is a late injury ( which there was although it didn't need a sub) RSC was the right change for me too but then he got the eye poke and was very ineffective. I don't think he it was because he is " so unfit" as some generous folk here said.Yes he needs matches but that's all.
What would have heppened if Petrov had replaced SWP? Who knows.
Blue2 wrote:That's the point. It could've made no difference, or won us or lost us the game. I didn't think RSC looked unfit either, in fact he moved quite quickly at times, just didn't play well pure & simple. He'll get much better.
Defending set pieces & crosses could end up being what makes or breaks our season. Yesterday & OT wasn't good enough but it may require a different line up to solve it completely. We have too many players who aren't very good at defending in the air. If we want to continue most games with this group of attacking players perhaps we'll just have to improve the best we can , hope we get away with it & score plenty at the other end.
That's the point. It could've made no difference, or won us or lost us the game. I didn't think RSC looked unfit either, in fact he moved quite quickly at times, just didn't play well pure & simple. He'll get much better.Blue2 wrote:
Original Dub wrote:That's the point. It could've made no difference, or won us or lost us the game. I didn't think RSC looked unfit either, in fact he moved quite quickly at times, just didn't play well pure & simple. He'll get much better.Blue2 wrote:
Defending set pieces & crosses could end up being what makes or breaks our season. Yesterday & OT wasn't good enough but it may require a different line up to solve it completely. We have too many players who aren't very good at defending in the air. If we want to continue most games with this group of attacking players perhaps we'll just have to improve the best we can , hope we get away with it & score plenty at the other end.
Original Dub wrote:That's the point. It could've made no difference, or won us or lost us the game. I didn't think RSC looked unfit either, in fact he moved quite quickly at times, just didn't play well pure & simple. He'll get much better.Blue2 wrote:
Defending set pieces & crosses could end up being what makes or breaks our season. Yesterday & OT wasn't good enough but it may require a different line up to solve it completely. We have too many players who aren't very good at defending in the air. If we want to continue most games with this group of attacking players perhaps we'll just have to improve the best we can , hope we get away with it & score plenty at the other end.
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