The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

[ashton287]

[Blue Blood]

Wow saw this thread and thought "WTF"...

Get a grip lads, the Munich chant isn't "PC" but for it to start a civil war on here is even more wrong.


Personally it hasn't and never will bother me when I hear it. I sympathise with our bitter rivals loss and the loss of life in general but I'm not gonna sit and cry crocodile tears over the matter when frankly all I care about is our team and this is a matter largely concerning our rivals.

If you want to reminisce about Munich, head over to rag cafe, i'm sure they have a lengthy thread already going after last nights bbc wankfest drama on the matter.

The Munich chant is wrong but frankly If you don't like it don't do it, those who will, always will... bitch'in about it makes jack shit difference.

We should be celebrating an important victory not in-fighting over this.

[john68]

Several points.

1...The term "RAGS" is the traditional name given to them and has been used (I believe) since the 1930s. Apparently it was originated by their own fans at that time to reflect their poverty and the state of the shirts they wore. City fans picked up on it, much to their displeasure.

2...@ Twosips. You are entitled to your opinion mate, as is King Kev. But while you were abusing KK for his use of the term, you never sought to ask why...why?
It may have explained why someone who I happen to know is a lovely, genuine and respectable person uses the term and it may also have opened up the debate on the use of the word a little bit wider.
3...I personally don't use the word. Not because I am holier than thou but simply because it never really figured in my generation. That does not mean that I am not angered by the manner in which the rags have used their disaster as a commercial asset. The manner in which they have demanded that the football World pays homage to their dead whilst the club itself treated some of those victims with far more disrespect than we ever have.
4...I am well aware that the rag favouring media will haul the reputation of City fans through the shit over this and it doesn't look good for us and by singing such songs, we make ourselves targets and leave ourselves open to criticism.
5...I am not taken in by a media that targets City fans but chooses to ignore the behaviour of the rags club to its own tragedy and the references by their fans to the 2 stabbed leeds fans, the Russian submariners or the memory of the great Bill Shankly.

I have no hatred of the rags for their football. my hatred is for what they have done, what they stand for, the corruption the blackmail, their lack of humanity, humility, their greed and arrogance. For me the term MUNICH doesn't go anyway far enough to cover the reasons I can't stand them.

[mcfc1632]

[Ted Hughes]

Seeing as nobody gives a fucking shit about the reputation of our club being dragged through the shit, then exactly what is it we're taking pride in? Being a bunch of obnoxious cunts?

When the rags sing about Hillsborough, do you lot think they come accross as the kind of people you want to be associated with?

Do you think their club is proud of them?

Do you think people like Colin Bell or Summerbee or anyone associated with the history Manchester City Football Club has anything but contempt for the singing of Munich songs? I suppose many of you don't care but then you'll go on about being proud of our history. History that included Frank Swift, you hypocritical fucking cunts.

If that's all our club means to you people, I wonder what the fuck I'm doing here.

[john68]

I take your point Ted but in fairness, I think that most people, fans and the media are pretty desensitised to the garbage that comes from the terraces. Over the years I have heard some horrendous insults aimed at players/teams/clubs and nobody has batted an eyelid.
The media hacks have heard it all before and the Munich thing has been going a long time. They haven't ever bothered about it before. It doesn't sound classy and it does leave us open to be vilified but tell me any set of fans who are classy when they start to sing.

[King Kev]

What an over-reaction!

The song wasn't 'mocking the dead' or 'lauging about a plane crash' it was about Yaya scoring the winning goal in the FA Cup semi-final.

[Slim]

Don't care, don't care, don't care....

More importantly is what the hell happened to his passing in that second half?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

What the hell? I checked first couple of posts and saw that this has six pages and without reading I think I know ALL that has been said on this topic. I've seen this billion times before.

Only thing wrong with that chant is that it's not really witty at all. Good football chants are witty and we should be doing better after the Semi final triumph.

It's not exactly "Whose that dying on the runway" either though. Not that there's much wrong with that either.

[Patrick]

There are a lot of good points being made here that demonstrate that's it is not only morally wrong but also damages our clubs reputation.

It reminds me of the old racism and sexism debates..... Slowly public opinion changed and over a generation or so and it became only a hardcore minority that retained their views. They're still around today but voice their opinions quietly in private and are vilified by the moral majority. Perhaps that is what will happen to the Munich taunters?

Do I use the term, yes. Do I know it's wrong, yes. Am I a hypocritical twat, yes I suppose I am.

I know it damages the clubs reputation, i know it give the press field days, i know it is ugly, aggressive and many other things i despise about football, but it's part and parcel of my being a city fan and part of what I know and love about football humour.

[Tokyo Blue]

Is it possible to go through life offending no-one? Even the Dalai Lama can't manage that.

I'd be very surprised if people who get upset about this don't make jokes about someone's death, suffering or dying at some point because that's what people do and people regularly find it funny. Black humour; it's there. You can't shut it up in a box.

The world in general is a little bit too sensitive, I think.

[Avalon]

[simon12]

[blue wine]

i love a good munich song.. and guess what, I will be having a party, eating ice cream, and hope Tevez is DJ when fergi dies or any other munich bastard!!

call me bitter or what ever u want, but were of to wembley and will be playing CL football next year, so couldnt give a fuck why everyones moaning. :-)


CITY, CITY, CITY!!!!!!!

[Mike J]

[Chinners]

Can't believe this bollox causes such polar uproar still. For me the term long ago ceased to be about the disaster, merely a reference as a wind-up (in a similar way that they get called rags) .... which seems to be working well on alot of our fans as well now.

[Bingo Lewis]

I heard Yaya Toure put the ball in the munich's net.
Is that right?
Get a grip people, its a football song.

[simon12]

[Feed The Goat]

I've not read the whole thread but ill have a say anyway. I didn't hear anyone mocking the dead This was just a song. Just like Carlos tevez hates munichs even like Ryan Giggs being an illegitimate Munich bastatrd.. Yaya Toure put the ball in the Munich net.

Now I'm sure he doesn't know violet or put ice anywhere now that would be offensive.

[Rag_hater]

Reading through the comments that have been said on this thread leaves me feeling sad for some of our real fans.
I'll begin by saying that there have been a few people who say the disaster happened so long ago that it has little relevance on the opinions they have.The wars happened longer ago than the disaster yet the people who run this site have poppies displayed in the header's of the board.Real fans who use that as an excuse want to give that argument a little thought.
There have also been comments that its the nature of football,that real fans have heard much worse at the matches,that the people critisizing those who use the M term should be tolerant of the real fans that use that term because it is the same hypocrasy if they critisize them for saying it..I think that is rubbish really.If you cannot see that it is going to far and OTT then the real fans who use it really are lost in time.Those kind of attitudes are for neanderthals.
Anyway if you real fans have heard much worse at the matches don't you think it gives the gloryhunters an argument as to what kind of matches they wish to attend.