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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby saulman » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:33 am

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby Im_Spartacus » Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:42 am

With all due respect to Colin Bell, he knows the survivors personally, and he most likely knew or at least knew of some of the less fortunate. I respect that he feels "Munich" should not be sung in a terrace chant, because to him I can see how he would find it offensive - as no doubt the thought crossed his mind as he was on an international flight with his club/country team-mates.

My view differs though, and ultimately it is about a person's perspective of United, and what I see during my lifetime, is the way that the rags have shamelessly and tirelessly exploited the death of these people to maximise media exposure, to ensure a continuous stream of sympathy from the wider world in general - plus the very people who shout the loudest about City fans using the term know absoutely nothing about the facts of the event and aftermath. They seem to believe that having had a tragedy 50 years ago elevates them to a level where they deserve respect and admiration because of this fact alone.

This is the very point I made on Tuesday to a group of rags who were discussing City fans in the pub. I never tried to justify the use of the term, yet the bile I got hurled back at me with their twisted and contorted faces reinforced my point exactly. The very suggestion that the club try to cash in is greeted with abuse - despite the clear evidence of "Munich day sponsored by AIG" incident amongst others.

To most United fans, and in fact to most living people, the actual events of Munich are as relevant to them as a fairy story, and their understanding of it is limited to the fact that some very good people died. The total and utter refusal to admit that without Munich, Manchester United would not be the global force they are today is the biggest show of disrespect to the dead - and it is the United fans who commit that sin by not accepting the Munich disaster defined their club.

If Munich defined their club, I therefore see no issue with defining a United fan as a Munich - it is not disrespectful to the dead in any way shape of form, it is disrespectful to their fans, and that is the entire point.

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby twosips » Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:59 am

But it isn't the minority anymore though is it?

There's several thousand who sing it. It's very very audible.
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby Im_Spartacus » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:10 am

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby twosips » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:17 am

No? Cos there's nowt wrong with that. Where there is something wrong with constantly referencing a tragedy just to piss people off.

'PC lot' - yeah, i'm a right stick in the mud me. I don't think its funny to use people dying as a reason to make digs at people. I'm SO boring and pc.
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby twosips » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:41 am

And you want to go down to their level?!
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby BlueMoonAwoken » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:02 pm

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby 1950 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:03 pm

It's all well & good reasoning with the milking of the crash, but why use the word 'munich'? Why not call them hypocrites, profiteers, sing songs about them cashing in on a horrible tragedy instead? Why does it have to be a term which is bound to be misinterpreted by the general public for mockery of dead people? Why is that one word so important to some people that they would risk dragging the club's name through the dirt for? It's not even clever or witty or whatever, it just happens to be the place where 23 people lost their lives. I don't get it.
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby twosips » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:08 pm

Exactly!

Though we all know its cos it gets the biggest reaction. I get the reasoning, but i'm almost certain the vast majority of people who sing Munich don't have some agenda like that - they just sing it cos they know it'll piss off United...for every one person like yourself, spartacus, i'm almost certain that there will be hundreds who just sing it for kicks.
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby avoidconfusion » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:36 pm

I think the most important thing here is the Club have clearly stated that such chants are not welcome.

We have Colin Bell, Mancini and now even Khaldoon criticizing the fans who sing this stuff, and I personally do not give a fuck whether it is intended to be about the air disaster or not, the fact that these fans use the word "Munichs", makes it pretty clear that it is a reference to the air disaster in one way or another, intentional or unintentional.

Bottom line is, it does not matter if one thinks it is okay to sing it, the club clearly thinks it is not okay, that much is obvious now.

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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:57 pm

I think when Martin Edwards made them a PLC is when they got money and the money of Sky.From what I remember they had finances like most of us till then.
The Munich thing might have got them some sympathy they milked.
So this point that they profitted of the dead may have some relevance but not as much as is said.
Anyway if the song has been going on for years seems to me that the people who find it funny are sad and I am suprised they have not got bored of it yet.
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby john68 » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:25 pm

Rag Hater,

When the air crash happened, it was big news. Even in those far off dark and black and white days before colour was invented, we were treated to highly emotive pictures of the plane, injured players in hospital and Busby in his oxygen tent. Following that, the media fest continued with the funerals, returning recovering players and ultimately the moved to the story of how the rags were rebuilding. As you would expect, it went on for months...then years....and it still goes on today. Only recently a TV drama was shown and even last night, there was a programme on Baldy Bobby with heavy references to the air crash.

The upshot of this was to garner a huge public sympathy. Until that happened, the rags were like any other club in the country...just an ordinary football club. The air crash and the support they generated from it became their biggest commercial asset and they well and truly milked it. It is an asset they happily drag from the closet every time they need to and it is what is happening now.

The Munich air crash is their biggest prize...bigger than any cup or trophy they have ever won. No matter what City win over the next few years, whether ultimately we go on to win 20 leagues and overtake their record. They will still be playing the same tune. "We had an air crash...you didn't".
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby twosips » Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:27 pm

So?

Let them have that. If we win 20 trophies I couldn't care less.
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Re: The Yaya Toure 'Munich' song

Postby BlueMoonAwoken » Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:57 pm

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