Adebayor sets the record straight

[DoomMerchant]

I can't for a fucking second understand how someone would think Ade is right here. he is being paid massive amount of money to work for us. Manager is being paid money to make the decision how to use him. If manager thinks fifteen seconds is best he can do then so be it. If my boss thinks I serve the industry best by wiping floors then so be it. I still get paid the same. I might disagree with him but I'm in no position to make such decisions.

i'd like to 'utilise' you to go grab some wipes and wipe the shit off of some other person's butt today if you don't mind.

Oh, wait, that is your job. You also still get paid the same.

cheers

p.s. we will have to agree to disagree about Ade...i get your point about the manager, but clearly Mancini likes to fuck with players and runs shit with a steel fist. Dunno if that's a major part of why Tevez wants to leave, but regardless of the Kia influence, if Tevez felt a connection or the love i don't think Kia would be as influential. Mancini isn't exactly the 'arm around your shoulder' people manager, and that's not a dig, i don't think the best really are, but clearly some of ours need some of that sometime and won't get any warm and fuzzies from our little mussolini.

I've only wiped someone's arse seven times today. I've also wiped pee off the floor in doctors office as certain someone thought that taking diapers off for weight in was cool. Also how can one grow 3 centimeters and gain 500 grams in one week?

Incidentally, football team is like kindergarten. It's essential to let them run around freely and do what they do but in the end of the day there can only be one person who makes the decisions. And it's not one of the kids.

just for the record i grow 3 cm a couple times a day in case anyone's keeping score at home

cheers

[Kladze]

Adebayor is clearly suffering some kind of 'survivor guilt' and may need counselling.

Other than that, he needs to deflate that high opinion he holds himself in just a bit.

[Ted Hughes]

I can't for a fucking second understand how someone would think Ade is right here. he is being paid massive amount of money to work for us. Manager is being paid money to make the decision how to use him. If manager thinks fifteen seconds is best he can do then so be it. If my boss thinks I serve the industry best by wiping floors then so be it. I still get paid the same. I might disagree with him but I'm in no position to make such decisions.

i'd like to 'utilise' you to go grab some wipes and wipe the shit off of some other person's butt today if you don't mind.

Oh, wait, that is your job. You also still get paid the same.

cheers

p.s. we will have to agree to disagree about Ade...i get your point about the manager, but clearly Mancini likes to fuck with players and runs shit with a steel fist. Dunno if that's a major part of why Tevez wants to leave, but regardless of the Kia influence, if Tevez felt a connection or the love i don't think Kia would be as influential. Mancini isn't exactly the 'arm around your shoulder' people manager, and that's not a dig, i don't think the best really are, but clearly some of ours need some of that sometime and won't get any warm and fuzzies from our little mussolini.

I've only wiped someone's arse seven times today. I've also wiped pee off the floor in doctors office as certain someone thought that taking diapers off for weight in was cool. Also how can one grow 3 centimeters and gain 500 grams in one week?

Incidentally, football team is like kindergarten. It's essential to let them run around freely and do what they do but in the end of the day there can only be one person who makes the decisions. And it's not one of the kids.

This is great apart from if Bob signs the player or feels he's desperately needed to keep him his job, he lets them get away with fucking murder. If you were Adebayor, you scored a brilliant hat-trick & were replaced by fucking Jo, then got stuck on for 15 seconds at the end of a game, you would be likely to react badly too. Then, rather than a ticking off & a lecture from the manager as to future conduct, you get treated like a leper whilst others talk about going to AC Milan every week, get sent off every other game, argue with the manager on the fucking pitch & ask for transfers, & the same bloke makes excusers for them or kisses their fucking arses, yes Adebayor has got a point.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

There is a big difference between being dropped by the manager and being humiliated by the manager.I am not saying he was humiliated but that's the way it sounds Ade feels.

One is something that happens and you have to live with, the other is something that shouldn't happen as it's just bad management.Only Mancini knows whether he did it for that purpose but Ade ( and maybe others in the squad!) believes he did do it for that purpose.

[mr_nool]

There is a big difference between being dropped by the manager and being humiliated by the manager.I am not saying he was humiliated but that's the way it sounds Ade feels.

One is something that happens and you have to live with, the other is something that shouldn't happen as it's just bad management.Only Mancini knows whether he did it for that purpose but Ade ( and maybe others in the squad!) believes he did do it for that purpose.

THat was my initial reaction. I remember opinions were quite divided whether it was OK by Mancini to sub him on for 15 seconds or not in that match thread. Although generally a Mancini licker, I thought it was a very bad move.

[Avalon]

I'd like him back. He can do a job. He is better than what we have. If he had never played for us and we signed him this summer there would be a lot of us thinking what a masterstroke to bring him in. But....
[highlight]What's wrong with giving him 15seconds?[/highlight] Managers regularly make these changes deep in injury to waste time, break up play etc. Is Ade too good to do that for the team? I don't think so.

I challenge you to find any player who substituted 15 seconds before the end of the game to have made a diffirence.

[Ted Hughes]

I'd like him back. He can do a job. He is better than what we have. If he had never played for us and we signed him this summer there would be a lot of us thinking what a masterstroke to bring him in. But....
[highlight]What's wrong with giving him 15seconds?[/highlight] Managers regularly make these changes deep in injury to waste time, break up play etc. Is Ade too good to do that for the team? I don't think so.

I challenge you to find any player who substituted 15 seconds before the end of the game to have made a diffirence.

I'm sure that if he'd been getting more regular action, he wouldn't sulk when asked to do 15 seconds. It's a cumulative effect of watching people who are playing poorly taking you're job THEN getting 15 seconds. It would feel like someone is taking the piss out of you.

[Tony P]

but clearly Mancini likes to fuck with players and runs shit with a steel fist.

And that's a major part why we're in the CL and cup final.

[DoomMerchant]

but clearly Mancini likes to fuck with players and runs shit with a steel fist.

And that's a major part why we're in the CL and cup final.

on evidence you'd have to agree.

in theory, you could say that Neil Warnock might have also done it. Or Owen Coyle. etc.

cheers

[DoomMerchant]

I'd like him back. He can do a job. He is better than what we have. If he had never played for us and we signed him this summer there would be a lot of us thinking what a masterstroke to bring him in. But....
[highlight]What's wrong with giving him 15seconds?[/highlight] Managers regularly make these changes deep in injury to waste time, break up play etc. Is Ade too good to do that for the team? I don't think so.

I challenge you to find any player who substituted 15 seconds before the end of the game to have made a diffirence.

I'm sure that if he'd been getting more regular action, he wouldn't sulk when asked to do 15 seconds. It's a cumulative effect of watching people who are playing poorly taking you're job THEN getting 15 seconds. It would feel like someone is taking the piss out of you.

it's because he is taking the piss...it's alpha male shit, and i'm sure he and Ade were having a bit of something so he felt like he should show him who's boss. That's fine, but you can't expect every player to respond well to it. In Mancini's defense, when players don't respond well he ships them out. i have no issues with that, as long as we're getting results and not just burning through talent which could have helped us win the league this season...as in Bellamy, and Ade maybe for example as in.

it's a fine line. I won't argue with Bob's results, esp. if he gets the cup on Saturday as well, but he does know that with his style, as in Milan, any stumble and he commits suicide. I like that conviction in a manager, but as a fan i just pray he gets it right.

Normal stuff really. every team struggles with decisions around the style of management and their club image with players. Our players seem in aggregate to be happy with the style and the results, so you'd be silly not to support it. They are the barometer of success inside the dressing room which extends to success outside...right?

cheers

[Ted Hughes]

I'd like him back. He can do a job. He is better than what we have. If he had never played for us and we signed him this summer there would be a lot of us thinking what a masterstroke to bring him in. But....
[highlight]What's wrong with giving him 15seconds?[/highlight] Managers regularly make these changes deep in injury to waste time, break up play etc. Is Ade too good to do that for the team? I don't think so.

I challenge you to find any player who substituted 15 seconds before the end of the game to have made a diffirence.

I'm sure that if he'd been getting more regular action, he wouldn't sulk when asked to do 15 seconds. It's a cumulative effect of watching people who are playing poorly taking you're job THEN getting 15 seconds. It would feel like someone is taking the piss out of you.

it's because he is taking the piss...it's alpha male shit, and i'm sure he and Ade were having a bit of something so he felt like he should show him who's boss. That's fine, but you can't expect every player to respond well to it. In Mancini's defense, when players don't respond well he ships them out. i have no issues with that, as long as we're getting results and not just burning through talent which could have helped us win the league this season...as in Bellamy, and Ade maybe for example as in.

it's a fine line. I won't argue with Bob's results, esp. if he gets the cup on Saturday as well, but he does know that with his style, as in Milan, any stumble and he commits suicide. I like that conviction in a manager, but as a fan i just pray he gets it right.

Normal stuff really. every team struggles with decisions around the style of management and their club image with players. Our players seem in aggregate to be happy with the style and the results, so you'd be silly not to support it. They are the barometer of success inside the dressing room which extends to success outside...right?

cheers

I don't see why Ade & Bellamy couldn't have been part of that tbh. If we can overlook the behaviour of Tevez & Balotelli, Ade & Bellers are easy. I noticed Milner having a fairly heated disagreement about tactics with Bob during a drinks break v Spurs but nobody has even bothered to refer to it. He probably did more shouting than Tevez. That's how little these things matter when it suits people not to look for them.

More importantly, I seem to have suddenly developed a you're/your problem in my posting & so have unwittingly become fodder for Slim. (hangs head in shame)

[Nick]

To be honest mancini seems slightly stubborn and likes to show whos boss. But ferguson does the exact same thing the world loves him.

I think mancini knows tevez is off and it would be interesting to see if tevez starts.

[Dameerto]

Mankini needs to talk to his players more - it doesnt matter what about - just communicate with them. Even if it's 'not today, but you're still in my plans, this is a long season' kind of thing. keep them in the loop.

[Fesan]

To me this is not about 15 seconds or 60 seconds or 600 seconds. It is about the attitude, if you can contribute something to the team, be it 15 or 15000 seconds you give your all.

Players that sulk, complain about sitting on the bench while "worse" players get to play should IMO be confronted about their attitude and if not fixed then get the bleep out of our club.

We need a TEAM, all working hard, all moving in the same direction. Do you ever hear anything from De Jong, Kompany, Barry, Milner, Dzeko etc. when they have not had alot of gametime recently? No..

Talking about these 15 secs only puts himself in a bad light IMO. He has highlighted that unless he gets his way he does not want to be a part of the team.

I think Mancini is 100% correct here, both if he did it as a character test and if he just grabbed the first striker he could see to buy some time at the end of the game. What was the rest of the bench by the way? Were there any other strikers to sub in?

[MaineRoadMemories]

When JO gets picked over you to start a match you know you're not welcome at the club anymore.

I rate and like Ade, I can see why others don't and I can also see why Mancini decided to cut him loose this season but Balotelli didn't take Ade's place as well as he thought.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Far better than Jo, far better than Balotelli and infinitely better than Dzeko. Would have him back in a flash. He's a goalscorer, simple as.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

To me this is not about 15 seconds or 60 seconds or 600 seconds. It is about the attitude, if you can contribute something to the team, be it 15 or 15000 seconds you give your all.

Players that sulk, complain about sitting on the bench while "worse" players get to play should IMO be confronted about their attitude and if not fixed then get the bleep out of our club.

We need a TEAM, all working hard, all moving in the same direction. Do you ever hear anything from De Jong, Kompany, Barry, Milner, Dzeko etc. when they have not had alot of gametime recently? No..

Talking about these 15 secs only puts himself in a bad light IMO. He has highlighted that unless he gets his way he does not want to be a part of the team.

I think Mancini is 100% correct here, both if he did it as a character test and if he just grabbed the first striker he could see to buy some time at the end of the game. What was the rest of the bench by the way? Were there any other strikers to sub in?

Spot on.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

Least he'll be watching! Not sure so many of our other players would be.

There's a clear personality clash between Ade and Mancho, if it's not going to work out Ade needs to bide his time and move on.

I don't really think comparing him to your office job is similar at all.

[Chinners]

Video of Ade's kickabout with Leon Mann . . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13362716.stm

[colonel_muck]

I love Adebayor and think he's really good for the dressing room. Come on Roberto, Kiss and make up.