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Barca Mk II

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:56 am

I know this relates to Chinners Bollox & the other threads but this is more connected with the actual set up of City's future academy &, to say I'm happy about it is an understatement. This is EXACTLY what I've been asking for & moaning about on here for years & imo it will leave the rest of the Prem playing catch up but not only that, it will revolutionise the way coaching of young footballers is done in this country & City will dominate the future England teams. Now we know what they'll be doing on the Clayton Aniline site.

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Manchester City: We’ll follow Barca blueprint
Stuart Brennan

June 22, 2011



The next Lionel Messi could light up Hyde when an exciting new youth football venture kicks off in September.

Manchester City are one of 16 top clubs from around Europe taking part in the new NextGen Series tournament aimed at showcasing some of the world’s brightest young football talent next season.

And the Blues kick off their group with the best possible fixture, against the legendary Barca youth team, on September 15.

City will also face Celtic and Marseille in their group in the new tournament, with group games running until November, and then the top two from each group going forward to the last eight.

That will either be played as a normal knockout or as a mini-tournament, based in Abu Dhabi in the new year.

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City’s participation in the Under-19 competition had led to a rumour that they were about to scrap their reserve side, which is nowadays called the elite development squad.

But, while they have withdrawn from the Barclay’s Premier Reserve League, the club insists it has simply shaken up its fixture schedule to attune it more to the differing development levels of their 18-21-year-olds.

The City team will consist mainly of academy players, augmented by players like Harry Bunn and Joan Roman, who were promoted early to the elite development squad.

City academy boss Mark Allen says the young Blues, currently away on their summer break, are already excited about the new challenge, which also involves Liverpool, Tottenham and Aston Villa as well as big European names like Inter Milan, Sporting Lisbon and PSV Eindhoven.

“Fans who go along might just see the next Lionel Messi – and the Barca fans might get to see a future great Man City player,” said Allen, currently overseeing a revamp of the City academy.

The Blues, along with the rest of the Premier League, are aiming to close the gap between English players and those from top football nations like Spain and Holland, in the next few years.

And Allen sees this tournament as a good gauge of how big that gap is, and what needs to be done to close it – with Barcelona as the perfect yardstick.

The Catalan giants’ nursery – known as the Cantera, or Quarry – has been producing golden nuggets for years.

The current European Cup-winning side is built around home-grown stars like Lionel Messi, Andres Iniesta and Xavi. Not only have they made Barca the best side on the planet, they have done it without a penny in transfer outlay, an attractive proposition with UEFA’s financial fair play rules forcing City to revise their transfer spending policy.

Said Allen: “The group we are in will put us against three different styles, which is what you expect to get in senior European football, so it’s another part of the development.

“The first team is now hoping to have European football, and hopefully Champions League, every season, so we are building a European element into our development programme.

“We will do it the same way as the first team, flying out the day before, training the night before, playing and then flying back after the match.”

He strongly refuted the suggestion that the reserve side is being scrapped. “Far from the reserves going away, it is actually getting stronger and more focused, and what the fans will see is more relevant football for that development stage,” said Allen.

City have studied Barcelona’s youth development, as well as those of other successful set-ups around the world, and are hoping to become a category one Academy under the Premier League’s elite player performance plan.

That would allow them to significantly step up the amount of time they get to spend with young prospects, which has been identified as a key area in which England lags behind more progressive nations.

The latest inquest began after England Under-21s’ poor showing at the European Championships last week, with the FA’s director of development Trevor Brooking blaming a flawed education system.

At the moment the average elite English player spends 3,760 hours training or playing between the ages of nine and 21. That compares to 4,880 at Barcelona or 5,940 in Holland.

New rules may allow the top clubs to cherry-pick the best young prospects and take young players as boarders, opting out of mainstream education.

That would ape Barcelona’s La Masia, the converted 18th century farmhouse which sits in the shadow of the Nou Camp and accommodates their 13 and 14 year olds.

“Barcelona’s set-up is the talk of the town at the moment,” said Allen. “We have looked at their set-up from the outside, and a little bit from within as we have a good working relationship with Barca.

“What they do really well is that they do a lot of simple things repetitively so that they become ingrained, and stay ingrained right through the system.

“That is what is bringing them success right now – they have a very clear philosophy and style of play, and a very clear technical strategy in terms of what they do. It is not rocket science.

“Where they excel is on the technical side, as Trevor Brooking has been saying.

“They don’t move on until they are technically adept, and that is the big thing to learn for everyone in football, not just at City.

“It’s about finessing the technical game, and that is why in our younger age groups, from six to 11, we are very much geared to a technical programme where they get time on the ball.

“It’s less about what position they play, how big they are and so on. It’s more about feeling comfortable with the ball, feeling comfortable turning with the ball, shooting, passing and dribbling.

“Those things are a pre-requisite to moving on to the other aspects.”
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Twobob » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:13 am

Can we ban them for life from going to Rhyll?
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:17 am

Twobob wrote:Can we ban them for life from going to Rhyll?


Could use it as a test; see how they react when confronted by slappers. Build a mock up seaside area at Clayton.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby bobby brows » Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:23 am

Between this and Chinners b*ll*x it seems that we've binned off the reserves which last year was 20 games domestically to play 6 games + playoffs against tougher opposition claiming the premier league reserve fixtures are too rigid!

What is the right amount of competitive fixtures for players under 19 to be playing? or does less fixtures equal more prestige fiendlies and coaching time, taking away the competitive nature and working on technique?

Either way, it would be interesting to be on the inside to see the plan on bringing players through
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Blue Blood » Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:03 pm

I think city are right to make changes to the youth set up, the english system is flawed imo. We can learn lots from across the pond and playing the elite youth squads across the world can only empower our young players and speed up there progress.

Good move city.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:00 pm

I wonder if the fact that, after the initial knock out stages, the remaining last eight teams in this competition will then feature in some form of play-off tournament to be held in Abu Dhabi, is significant ??

Could our owners be gently putting their toes in the water as a test for any future competitions, particularly if there are a number of disgruntled, 'big' clubs who fare badly under Platini's incoming regulations ??

Could this be an initial blueprint for setting up a rival competition to the Champions League and outflanking the decrepit and obese French retard completely ??

Could it also be significant that ManUrinals are not involved in this competition ??
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:24 pm

Mikhail Chigorin wrote:I wonder if the fact that, after the initial knock out stages, the remaining last eight teams in this competition will then feature in some form of play-off tournament to be held in Abu Dhabi, is significant ??

Could our owners be gently putting their toes in the water as a test for any future competitions, particularly if there are a number of disgruntled, 'big' clubs who fare badly under Platini's incoming regulations ??

Could this be an initial blueprint for setting up a rival competition to the Champions League and outflanking the decrepit and obese French retard completely ??

Could it also be significant that ManUrinals are not involved in this competition ??


If it's a success then imo it's the 1st step to a 'breakaway' league. It establishes a dialogue between the clubs & allows them to iron out all the possible snags. I'm sure the rags etc will get an invite in the future if everything runs smothly. Then suddenly, all of Europe's top clubs could be competing in a league at youth level which is outside the direct control of UEFA/FIFA. Imagine those clubs getting an offer to do it at senior level, lets say for five or ten times the money they currently earn from TV revenue?
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby bobby brows » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:34 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:I wonder if the fact that, after the initial knock out stages, the remaining last eight teams in this competition will then feature in some form of play-off tournament to be held in Abu Dhabi, is significant ??

Could our owners be gently putting their toes in the water as a test for any future competitions, particularly if there are a number of disgruntled, 'big' clubs who fare badly under Platini's incoming regulations ??

Could this be an initial blueprint for setting up a rival competition to the Champions League and outflanking the decrepit and obese French retard completely ??

Could it also be significant that ManUrinals are not involved in this competition ??


If it's a success then imo it's the 1st step to a 'breakaway' league. It establishes a dialogue between the clubs & allows them to iron out all the possible snags. I'm sure the rags etc will get an invite in the future if everything runs smothly. Then suddenly, all of Europe's top clubs could be competing in a league at youth level which is outside the direct control of UEFA/FIFA. Imagine those clubs getting an offer to do it at senior level, lets say for five or ten times the money they currently earn from TV revenue?


The key to that will be the breakdown of tv revenue and who enters. A european super league sounds good if your playing ac milan or barcelona every week but if your playing anderlecht or lille (look at who was in G14) i can't imagine sell outs! If you think of the top 20 strongest clubs in Europe you would pick 5 or 6 from England, 2 or 3 from Spain, 3 or 4 from Italy and that would leave about 7-10 spots for the Ajaxs, Rangers, Portos, Lyons of Europe.

Also a revenue share would be important, i can't imagine anyone wants to be bottom of a european super league getting tonked every week, no one coming to watch you and becoming uncompetitive. Revenue sharing along the lines of the NFL would be massively important.

it will be interesting to see
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:55 pm

bobby brows wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Mikhail Chigorin wrote:I wonder if the fact that, after the initial knock out stages, the remaining last eight teams in this competition will then feature in some form of play-off tournament to be held in Abu Dhabi, is significant ??

Could our owners be gently putting their toes in the water as a test for any future competitions, particularly if there are a number of disgruntled, 'big' clubs who fare badly under Platini's incoming regulations ??

Could this be an initial blueprint for setting up a rival competition to the Champions League and outflanking the decrepit and obese French retard completely ??

Could it also be significant that ManUrinals are not involved in this competition ??


If it's a success then imo it's the 1st step to a 'breakaway' league. It establishes a dialogue between the clubs & allows them to iron out all the possible snags. I'm sure the rags etc will get an invite in the future if everything runs smothly. Then suddenly, all of Europe's top clubs could be competing in a league at youth level which is outside the direct control of UEFA/FIFA. Imagine those clubs getting an offer to do it at senior level, lets say for five or ten times the money they currently earn from TV revenue?


The key to that will be the breakdown of tv revenue and who enters. A european super league sounds good if your playing ac milan or barcelona every week but if your playing anderlecht or lille (look at who was in G14) i can't imagine sell outs! If you think of the top 20 strongest clubs in Europe you would pick 5 or 6 from England, 2 or 3 from Spain, 3 or 4 from Italy and that would leave about 7-10 spots for the Ajaxs, Rangers, Portos, Lyons of Europe.

Also a revenue share would be important, i can't imagine anyone wants to be bottom of a european super league getting tonked every week, no one coming to watch you and becoming uncompetitive. Revenue sharing along the lines of the NFL would be massively important.

it will be interesting to see


It could be 10 years or more before it happens but just the threat of it may be enough to get the clubs all the bargaining power they want. If it does happen, I bet the Disney corporation are involved along with the Sheikh's media connections.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby craigmcfc » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:19 am

bobby brows wrote:Between this and Chinners b*ll*x it seems that we've binned off the reserves which last year was 20 games domestically to play 6 games + playoffs against tougher opposition claiming the premier league reserve fixtures are too rigid!

What is the right amount of competitive fixtures for players under 19 to be playing? or does less fixtures equal more prestige fiendlies and coaching time, taking away the competitive nature and working on technique?

Either way, it would be interesting to be on the inside to see the plan on bringing players through


They're also going to play in Manchester Senior Cup Matches and the Lancashire Senior Cup so there'll be a fair few games along with those "prestige" friendlies
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Wooders » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:57 am

brilliant stride forward for one of the best academies in the country

on a related note "Harry Bunn" is the most exsquisitely old school footballers name out there
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:08 pm

Wooders wrote:brilliant stride forward for one of the best academies in the country

on a related note "Harry Bunn" is the most exsquisitely old school footballers name out there


It is fantastic isn't it? They should do the broadcat in black & white when he's on tv.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby the_georgian_genius » Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:32 pm

The European Superleague will never happen.

If it was a 10 team league of City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, Inter, AC, Juventus, Bayern Munich, one team has to finish rock bottom, and that is not good for the 'brand', the teams mentioned (apart from us) are global clubs with millions of fans because they win the majority of games, no one wants to follow a losing team if they are a floating fan.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat Jun 25, 2011 5:36 pm

the_georgian_genius wrote:The European Superleague will never happen.

If it was a 10 team league of City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Barca, Madrid, Inter, AC, Juventus, Bayern Munich, one team has to finish rock bottom, and that is not good for the 'brand', the teams mentioned (apart from us) are global clubs with millions of fans because they win the majority of games, no one wants to follow a losing team if they are a floating fan.


It wouldn't have to be much different than it is now. If they effectively took over the running of the Champion's lg under another name, that would do it. Then it would be a case of whether each country chose to follow UEFA/FIFA & kick the big money making clubs out of their respective leagues or chose to follow the independant organisation with the huge money & let them stay.

I recon the overwhelming vote would be to let them stay & let them run the European competitions. Nobody believed the Premier League would happen but in effect, that's what happened there except the FA maintained an involvement. It still has it's own organisation though.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:44 pm

Hold the FUCK on!

When have we pulled out of the Reserve League??? And what's the point? Who are our reserve team supposed to play against now duriong the autumn and spring? They just sit on their arses???

Stupid STUPID move.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby craigmcfc » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:10 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Hold the FUCK on!

When have we pulled out of the Reserve League??? And what's the point? Who are our reserve team supposed to play against now duriong the autumn and spring? They just sit on their arses???

Stupid STUPID move.


Come on Antti, keep up. There'll be the minimum 6 group games in the next gen competition and they are also playing in the Manchester Senior Cup and Lancashire Cup, 7 games were played in those competitions last season. They are also talking about playing a few "prestige" friendlies both here and abroad. As far as number of games go it won't be that much different
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby BobbyDazzler » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:27 pm

As far as a break away league goes, it is my understanding that it is a non starter. I listened to something on radio 5 a few weeks ago on the subject and they said that because UEFA is a subdivision of FIFA, and FIFA hold and manage all player registrations (both domestic and international) a club would be unable to legally register a player on their books if it was not done via UEFA. They then said that this would mean all none EU players would be able to gain a work permit, and have massive implications on international football.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:50 pm

craigmcfc wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Hold the FUCK on!

When have we pulled out of the Reserve League??? And what's the point? Who are our reserve team supposed to play against now duriong the autumn and spring? They just sit on their arses???

Stupid STUPID move.


Come on Antti, keep up. There'll be the minimum 6 group games in the next gen competition and they are also playing in the Manchester Senior Cup and Lancashire Cup, 7 games were played in those competitions last season. They are also talking about playing a few "prestige" friendlies both here and abroad. As far as number of games go it won't be that much different


They can also arrange matches with anyone they want, whenever they want. Just means they don't play in front of a crowd. The reserves have been for the most part a complete waste of time imo. Just a shop window for players we don't want.
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Re: Barca Mk II

Postby craigmcfc » Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:29 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
craigmcfc wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Hold the FUCK on!

When have we pulled out of the Reserve League??? And what's the point? Who are our reserve team supposed to play against now duriong the autumn and spring? They just sit on their arses???

Stupid STUPID move.


Come on Antti, keep up. There'll be the minimum 6 group games in the next gen competition and they are also playing in the Manchester Senior Cup and Lancashire Cup, 7 games were played in those competitions last season. They are also talking about playing a few "prestige" friendlies both here and abroad. As far as number of games go it won't be that much different


They can also arrange matches with anyone they want, whenever they want. Just means they don't play in front of a crowd. The reserves have been for the most part a complete waste of time imo. Just a shop window for players we don't want.


I'd be surprised if there were many games played behind closed doors as playing in front of a crowd is definitely seen as a key part of their development, even if that's a few hundred at Ewen Fields

It'd be nice to see a couple of games played at CoMS against the bigger opposition, whether it be friendlies or the latter stages of the next gen league
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