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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:56 am

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Esky wrote:Even though I agree with a lot of what NQDP and Kladze are saying re Adebayor, I still think this whole 'left behind' business is pathetic from the management.

If a player's not wanted, tell him in private, publically transfer list them and otherwise work silently to shift them out.

I know the Ade and Bellamy situations are contentious, but for the likes of RSC, Johnson, Bridge and Onuoha who've ostensibly done nothing wrong (aside from being injured/having had the club move past them), it's really poor from the club. They deserve the PR bashing that'll inevitably follow in my opinion - wholly unprofessional.

And yeah, I know Nedum had his Soccer AM rant, but the point still stands - for everything good Mancini's done for the club, crap like this has us hamstrung.


I can see where you're coming from mate but these players are on more than handsome salaries, would they really want to travel out to the USA with all that entails, only to not even make the substitutes bench?
I suspect they'd be bleating even more loudly if that happened.


That's the point!
Adebayor said year ago that he wouldn't settle place on the bench! Now all we got to offer for him is place on the bench in a preseason tour. Why the hell would he want that now?

Despite what he says, same goes for Bellamy. He likes to say how he'd settle for place in the bench for kids of Sierra Leone but what would happen when he wouldn't even make it to bench for a while? Very realistic scenario when everyone is fit. You know and I know and everyone knows that toys would be catapulted out of the pram. That's what would happen.

These people want it all to be done on THEIR terms. They train when they want to train and play when they want to play. But it's not fucking pub league we are talking about.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby twosips » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:29 pm

I don't get why he should get a face to face conversation about why he's not being taken to America when its pretty obvious and has been for a year now that his intention was to move on. It's just daft. What's wrong with an email? Seriously - how is an email being told to report for training at a certain time rude? It's not really. It's just he has such an ego he feels he deserves a fucking huge explanation for EVERY decision as he's so important. I bet they all got emails. All of them. It just happens that Mancini has different plans for some of them - so some of them got told to come in a day earlier to prepare for America.

Adebayor has said, and no doubt been told, that he's not part of the plans - so why should we have to explain why he's not coming to America when we all know he doesn't want to be at City? Why should he be involved with pre-season training for our first team when he's not gonna be involved? If we had 25 places on that plane (theoretically) then I know i'd rather take one of our promising kids than take him if he's not gonna be here come September 1st....it makes perfect sense. And he knows that too. He's just a dick.

I'm baffled. I don't get how everyone is automatically taking Ade's word for it. I reckon it's bullshit, and I also believe that Mancini probably did try and be nice at first, but characters like Ade and Bellamy are notoriously difficult to deal with and probably moaned like fuck - which is probs why they were shipped out in the first place. Do you know those kind of people at work that moan like fuck about every single tiny minute thing? So negative and annoying? The one's that just drive you to utter indifference and you become so tired of their opinion that you eventually just shrug your shoulders and go 'whatever' to anything they say and try and ignore them for your own sanity? Something tells me Ade and Bellamy are like that...Tiresome beings who just never know their role. I bet when they were initially shipped out they were told then that they had no future at the club anymore and they were free to seek a transfer if they could find a good move etc - bearing all this in mind why do we have to then treat these two as first team players and prepare them for a trip to America?

We don't.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby CTID Hants » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:49 pm

Who is to say the club haven't tried calling him to discuss his future? Oh that's right Adebayor!!

IF he was that good Real Madrid would pay the 12M price tag, but they are only prepared to pay 8M!! I don't see Adebayor slagging them off!

If they are only prepared to pay 8M surely he must know that he is going to be used as a back up.

Real have already bought three players to the tune of 40M, he obviously doesnt figure that high up there shopping list.

I would suggest that being asked to report back to Carrington is because Real have ended interest in him, the club want him kept fit WHISLT WE ARE STILL PAYING HIM.

The contempt he has shown the club running to the press at every oppurtunity since Mancini has been here that he can only expect the club to treat him with the same contempt i.e. sending him an e-mail.

This whole thing is driven by one thing and that is Adebayor's attitude
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:05 pm

Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby halnone » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:06 pm

poor from the club imo.
It's like breaking up with somebody with a text message. It works but you look like a cunt doing it.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Hazy2 » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:46 pm

halnone wrote:poor from the club imo.
It's like breaking up with somebody with a text message. It works but you look like a cunt doing it.


The picure on your posts should be enough to show Ade what its all about at MCFC.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Blueonblue » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:47 pm

Why should Roberto put up with players refusing to do as he asks?, he wants rid because they are not going to fit into the team without changing their attitude, and by the media stories out of this pair that aint going to happen.

A decent manager looks at if a player has the right attitude to fit into a team as well as the skills needed before signing them, thats why Roberto won the FA cup and f*cking numpty is unenployed.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:22 pm

Blueonblue wrote:Why should Roberto put up with players refusing to do as he asks?, he wants rid because they are not going to fit into the team without changing their attitude, and by the media stories out of this pair that aint going to happen.

A decent manager looks at if a player has the right attitude to fit into a team as well as the skills needed before signing them, thats why Roberto won the FA cup and f*cking numpty is unenployed.


When did Adebayor ever refuse anything that Mancini asked him?
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Kladze » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:25 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Blueonblue wrote:Why should Roberto put up with players refusing to do as he asks?, he wants rid because they are not going to fit into the team without changing their attitude, and by the media stories out of this pair that aint going to happen.

A decent manager looks at if a player has the right attitude to fit into a team as well as the skills needed before signing them, thats why Roberto won the FA cup and f*cking numpty is unenployed.


When did Adebayor ever refuse anything that Mancini asked him?


Almost every time he took to the field.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:28 pm

Kladze wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Blueonblue wrote:Why should Roberto put up with players refusing to do as he asks?, he wants rid because they are not going to fit into the team without changing their attitude, and by the media stories out of this pair that aint going to happen.

A decent manager looks at if a player has the right attitude to fit into a team as well as the skills needed before signing them, thats why Roberto won the FA cup and f*cking numpty is unenployed.


When did Adebayor ever refuse anything that Mancini asked him?


Almost every time he took to the field.


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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:45 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.



Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby twosips » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:52 am

Thing is, they're not complaining about it though...they probably have no problem with it as they're not egocentric twats.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby walmai » Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:02 am

twosips wrote:Thing is, they're not complaining about it though...they probably have no problem with it as they're not egocentric twats.


Bridge and Santa Cruz haven't many other prospects, in fairness, the former especially. He's rubbish and, even on your compass, is ludicrously overpaid. Santa Cruz is a has been sicknote of the highest order.

The others have to face it; they may have cost top dollar when you bought them, but, in terms of your 18, they are yesterday's men.

Adebayor is still CL class and should sensibly find another team.

Bellamy's surely in the last season or so of his career, but has serious issues over even his mid-term future.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby HeyMark » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:57 pm

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.



Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?


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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:20 am

HeyMark wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.



Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?


I've been waiting about 3 years for you to make a good point! Glad I'm here to witness it



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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Slim » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:43 am

Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
HeyMark wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.



Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?


I've been waiting about 3 years for you to make a good point! Glad I'm here to witness it



Don't give me too much credit, my giant head can't take it.


I was unsure of what you were actually saying. Are you saying RSC/Bridge and co. are getting the same treatment as Ade and Bellers or they should, or they aren't and they shouldn't, or they are and they shouldn't?
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Dameerto » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:22 am

Slim wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
HeyMark wrote:
Pretty Boy Lee wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:Respect works both ways, if Ade wants respect from the club he's going to have to learn that mouthing off to the press about internal matters is disrespectful to the club and it's fans.



Quite a few people have made points similar to this in regards to Ade and Bellers.

Can any of you explain what RSC, Bridge and others have doen to deserve this treatment that the main two being discussed have earned due to their disrespect of the club?


I've been waiting about 3 years for you to make a good point! Glad I'm here to witness it



Don't give me too much credit, my giant head can't take it.


I was unsure of what you were actually saying. Are you saying RSC/Bridge and co. are getting the same treatment as Ade and Bellers or they should, or they aren't and they shouldn't, or they are and they shouldn't?


If you're asking why RSC isn't on the plane to the US it's because he's busy scoring against Brazil. If you're asking why he isnt in Mancini's plans I presume it's because Bob thinks he isn't good enough.
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:31 am

I really think it is a great shame that we are wasting a twenty goal a season striker, but Adebayor is difficult to like or have sympathy for. He really should shut the fuck up.
Bellamy is over rated by some City fans, sure he works hard and is a committed player, but he isn't all that.
I do wonder sometimes, (like after watching him score and create against Brazil) if RSC could still have some part to play. Then I watch him play for us......
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:38 am

Take Wayne Bridge fior example. I'm certin he was told he was being brought in to play 1st team footbakll for a team on the up and when he came we were hardly a team attracting the worlds best.

Granted he hasnt been a world beater, but should we now be leaving him with the kids in a spiteful attempt to force him to take a pay cut and fuck off? We all like to moan about player loyalty when they try and leave (Tevez for example), but when we decide we don't want them anymore expect them to just fuck off and sacrifice a shed load of money they were promised?

Where is our side of the loyalty? Or even just decent human courtesy?
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Re: Ade hitting out...

Postby Slim » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:44 am

I agree with that, I doubt we the club have a moral leg to stand on when it comes to dealing with players, but in the same vein the players themselves are hardly beacons of moral perpitude when you have players like Bellamy who refuse to take a paycut in order to facilitate their transfer because he has 13 kids at his academy in Sierra Leone he has to feed. I am sure one week's wages will feed them for a number of years Craig, pissing on the club's head and calling it rain will get their heels dug in and what patience they had for Bridge, RSC and co. will evaporate the moment they sound remotely like that Welsh twat.
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