Jo Or Santa Cruz, Which One Is Worse

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Couldn't vote in this poll; wanted a third option which said 'Both'.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Typical modern day football supporter.

Care to fuckin explain that comment a bit? Aren't you the guy that was willing to fight any fucker around over Robinho and Elano, two "Brazilian stars". Don't come much more "typical modern day football supporter" than being all star struck about some names on the back of the shirt.

Fight any fucker over two brazilian footballers on the internet? Think you've got me confused mate with somebody else. You are a typical modern day football supporter because you see everything in such a simplistic way and are way OTT instead of thinking about things a little deeper and finding the true answer which is proved by your slating of Santa Cruz. You call him shit because he is injured and you will respond to me with "i call him shit because he has played shit for City", well why has he played shit for City? because he has never had a run because he is always injured. It makes him an unfortunate injured player, not a shit one. Doesn't matter if he has been bought for £17.5m or £1.75m, he isn't a shit player and shouldn't be mentioned anywhere near Jo in a worse player poll, worst transfer like others have said and you have a point.

I call him shit because I saw him for years in Germany being shit and now I've seen him being shit crock for us.

Oh, and back in the day someone said "“Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple. It's being made complicated by people who really should know better". Food for thought, eh?

[the_georgian_genius]

Typical modern day football supporter.

Care to fuckin explain that comment a bit? Aren't you the guy that was willing to fight any fucker around over Robinho and Elano, two "Brazilian stars". Don't come much more "typical modern day football supporter" than being all star struck about some names on the back of the shirt.

Fight any fucker over two brazilian footballers on the internet? Think you've got me confused mate with somebody else. You are a typical modern day football supporter because you see everything in such a simplistic way and are way OTT instead of thinking about things a little deeper and finding the true answer which is proved by your slating of Santa Cruz. You call him shit because he is injured and you will respond to me with "i call him shit because he has played shit for City", well why has he played shit for City? because he has never had a run because he is always injured. It makes him an unfortunate injured player, not a shit one. Doesn't matter if he has been bought for £17.5m or £1.75m, he isn't a shit player and shouldn't be mentioned anywhere near Jo in a worse player poll, worst transfer like others have said and you have a point.

I call him shit because I saw him for years in Germany being shit and now I've seen him being shit crock for us.

Oh, and back in the day someone said "“Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple. It's being made complicated by people who really should know better". Food for thought, eh?

He seems to have had a pretty decent career then for someone who is shit. Football is as simple as 22 men trying to kick a ball into the other teams net and whoever does it the most times wins, but we both know it is "abit" more complicated than that.

[halnone]

They take turns being worse than the other. I remember Jo had a great game at Craven Cottage last season. (I think that was it)
Santa Cruz has shown moments of quality, like his goal against Brazil.

They're not shit ALL the time, they're just not good enough for a top premier league side.

[Mase]

There is a difference between being shite and being injury prone. Santa Cruz is not shite, nor has he ever been, he is an excellent player, the problem is he is never fit enough to show it.

As for Jo, he's an ok player, not good enough for us or other teams in the prem but will do ok in Brazil.

Santa Cruz was the worse signing for us though because of the outlay spent on him and for the little return we have had from him, but that is not his fault, that is Hughes' fault.

What a stupid statement to make. If he's never fit enough to show how 'excellent' he is, how can anyone say that he is excellent??!!!

[john@staustell]

A fit Santa would've been fine for us, but he never, ever has been. More fool us for signing him.

A fit Jo is useless. The Fulham game was a red herring, in that he was good FOR JO!

[Original Dub]

There is a difference between being shite and being injury prone. Santa Cruz is not shite, nor has he ever been, he is an excellent player, the problem is he is never fit enough to show it.

As for Jo, he's an ok player, not good enough for us or other teams in the prem but will do ok in Brazil.

Santa Cruz was the worse signing for us though because of the outlay spent on him and for the little return we have had from him, but that is not his fault, that is Hughes' fault.

See, that's fucking massive load of steaming shite. Santa Cruz is "excellent player". Like I said in OP, there's always some fanboy about but "excellent player"???? Jesus shit.

can you just not accept that others may have a different opionion to you regarding santa cruz. im not a fanboy in any sense, i just think he is a good player who has been completely hampered by injury.

Yeah I think that's a bit much NQDP. You actually sound bitter as fuck and angry about another opinion... its obvious you hate the cunt, but try to remember he is a city player

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

There is a difference between being shite and being injury prone. Santa Cruz is not shite, nor has he ever been, he is an excellent player, the problem is he is never fit enough to show it.

As for Jo, he's an ok player, not good enough for us or other teams in the prem but will do ok in Brazil.

Santa Cruz was the worse signing for us though because of the outlay spent on him and for the little return we have had from him, but that is not his fault, that is Hughes' fault.

See, that's fucking massive load of steaming shite. Santa Cruz is "excellent player". Like I said in OP, there's always some fanboy about but "excellent player"???? Jesus shit.

can you just not accept that others may have a different opionion to you regarding santa cruz. im not a fanboy in any sense, i just think he is a good player who has been completely hampered by injury.

Yeah I think that's a bit much NQDP. You actually sound bitter as fuck and angry about another opinion... its obvious you hate the cunt, but try to remember he is a city player

I don't like either of them and I'm doing my best to forget that they are still with us.

[1950]

You're doing a lousy job forgetting about them then. I'm sure starting topics on them out of fucking nowhere doesn't help.

There is a difference between being shite and being injury prone. Santa Cruz is not shite, nor has he ever been, he is an excellent player, the problem is he is never fit enough to show it.

As for Jo, he's an ok player, not good enough for us or other teams in the prem but will do ok in Brazil.

Santa Cruz was the worse signing for us though because of the outlay spent on him and for the little return we have had from him, but that is not his fault, that is Hughes' fault.

What a stupid statement to make. If he's never fit enough to show how 'excellent' he is, how can anyone say that he is excellent??!!!

How can anyone say? Really? How about the one season he was fit, you know when he scored 19 goals, ffs.

[BlueinBosnia]

Jo- I used to get excited when I heard 'Brazilian' and 'gash' in the same sentence until he came along.

[Mase]

You're doing a lousy job forgetting about them then. I'm sure starting topics on them out of fucking nowhere doesn't help.

There is a difference between being shite and being injury prone. Santa Cruz is not shite, nor has he ever been, he is an excellent player, the problem is he is never fit enough to show it.

As for Jo, he's an ok player, not good enough for us or other teams in the prem but will do ok in Brazil.

Santa Cruz was the worse signing for us though because of the outlay spent on him and for the little return we have had from him, but that is not his fault, that is Hughes' fault.

What a stupid statement to make. If he's never fit enough to show how 'excellent' he is, how can anyone say that he is excellent??!!!

How can anyone say? Really? How about the one season he was fit, you know when he scored 19 goals, ffs.

So according to your logic Marcus Stewart is also an excellent player??
Absolutely crazy!!!!!!!
"ffs"

[1950]

According to me? I just pointed out how "anyone" could come to the conclusion that he's "excellent", I never said he was. I said as much in my first post in this topic.

"!!!!!!!"

[Mase]

According to me? I just pointed out how "anyone" could come to the conclusion that he's "excellent", I never said he was. I said as much in my first post in this topic.

"!!!!!!!"

I still fail to realise how ANYONE could come to the conclusion that he is 'excellent', after my point regarding Marcus Stewart and every other player who has had one decent season.

[Dubciteh]

According to me? I just pointed out how "anyone" could come to the conclusion that he's "excellent", I never said he was. I said as much in my first post in this topic.

"!!!!!!!"

I still fail to realise how ANYONE could come to the conclusion that he is 'excellent', after my point regarding Marcus Stewart and every other player who has had one decent season.

The difference with the two is this, Marcus Stewart had one good season and umpteen shit while RSC had one good season and the rest injured, just saying like, dont necessarily agree with either side....

[BlueinBosnia]

There both bad but Jo is fucking horrendous. Atleast if santa cruz could stay injury free he would score a few in a season.

Few is exactly how many he'd score though. Other than that one miracle season, best he has ever managed in proper league is five in a season. Then again, would Jo manage five goals? I don't know.

Then again, he's barely featured in 50% of matches in all but three seasons he's played professionally, and that's including sub appearances (which I guess were quite numerous when he was facing competition from Makaay at Bayern and returning from injury). Overall, I'd say Santa Cruz is/was an unknown quantity- not worth the price tag or wages paid, but at the same time could never be written off as talentless or lazy.

[1950]

According to me? I just pointed out how "anyone" could come to the conclusion that he's "excellent", I never said he was. I said as much in my first post in this topic.

"!!!!!!!"

I still fail to realise how ANYONE could come to the conclusion that he is 'excellent', after my point regarding Marcus Stewart and every other player who has had one decent season.

Opinions and all that.

If s.o. has seen him play & thinks he's excellent, I might disagree, but fair enough.
If s.o. however, says he's a donkey, just because he's injured all the time, well, that's just nonsense.

I think he's a good player, I can't say if he's good enough for this team & where it's headed, because he barely got the chance to show it, even under Hughes.
What I can say, though, is that he's good enough to start & score in this league, because he proved he can. Which makes him not crap, but that's just my logic.

[Mase]

According to me? I just pointed out how "anyone" could come to the conclusion that he's "excellent", I never said he was. I said as much in my first post in this topic.

"!!!!!!!"

I still fail to realise how ANYONE could come to the conclusion that he is 'excellent', after my point regarding Marcus Stewart and every other player who has had one decent season.

The difference with the two is this, Marcus Stewart had one good season and umpteen shit while RSC had one good season and the rest injured, just saying like, dont necessarily agree with either side....

That's my point mate. That's why NO ONE could say he's 'excellent' because they wouldn't know.

[Blueonblue]

I never understood the ill feelings Jo had directed at him by some fans, he put in a shift whenever he played, an even if he was having a stinker there was no lack of effort from him.

Crocky is a different matter, lack of any effort was the norm when he mannaged to drag his sorry arse off the treatment table, he sums up exactly why that dogs bast*rd hughes is now where he belongs.......on the dole*, a first touch like steven hawkings with the speed of a fat sloath thrown in made this a disaster of a signing from the start.







* Not quite my true feeling about the c*nt, in a f*cking hole 6 feet deep is my first choice, and still number one wish on my xmas list to the proper Santa

[BlueinBosnia]

I never understood the ill feelings Jo had directed at him by some fans, he put in a shift whenever he played, an even if he was having a stinker there was no lack of effort from him.

Crocky is a different matter, lack of any effort was the norm when he mannaged to drag his sorry arse off the treatment table, he sums up exactly why that dogs bast*rd hughes is now where he belongs.......on the dole*, a first touch like steven hawking with the speed of a fat sloth thrown in made this a disaster of a signing from the start.

I have the exact opposite opinion of the (rare) appearances the two have made.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Santa Cruz is far from shite. Albeit he was a shit signing given his injury record but on form he's a top striker who can bully defenders very well.