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[zuricity]

It's a fact that art constantly evolves, and so does everything else. So I find it quite absurd when people insist that the present should consist of the things that once were.Classical music has become an exclusive, acquired taste, and the masses no longer listen to it. It's a fact even the most biased of music majors and cultured enthusiasts should accept.

Oh and you should add "imo" to such scribblings, classical music, imo, most certainly is not an acquired taste, not at all. Now, imo, Barry Manilow and Morrissey are acquired tastes.

[mr_nool]

It's a fact that art constantly evolves, and so does everything else. So I find it quite absurd when people insist that the present should consist of the things that once were.Classical music has become an exclusive, acquired taste, and the masses no longer listen to it. It's a fact even the most biased of music majors and cultured enthusiasts should accept.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Modern, popular music is not an evolved form of classical music, but rather of folk music. The masses have never really listened to classical music.
And "art" in the form of rock music has evolved far beyond AC/DC in the last 30 years. I'm sure your pet shark would enjoy some more modern, and more evolved tunes even more.

[Kladze]

It's a fact that art constantly evolves, and so does everything else. So I find it quite absurd when people insist that the present should consist of the things that once were.Classical music has become an exclusive, acquired taste, and the masses no longer listen to it. It's a fact even the most biased of music majors and cultured enthusiasts should accept.

So you are saying that 'classical' (or what I prefer to call 'serious' ) music has actually evolved to the point where pop/rock should be its natural place of rest ? a complex art form reduced to a simple formula and limited chord progressions for instance?

You're a bigger idiot than I thought.

[Rag_hater]

Most of the stuff you will read about classical music will suggest it was the pop of its time.People like Mozart,Beethoven etc were the pop stars of their time.It was not available to as many people back then.
For me that was in the past and my taste and the majority of people who listen to music of the masses and what is popular want something that has evolved and reflects the mood of the moment.To me classical music is living in the past.I think the fact that classical music is now regarded as intellectual hides what it began life as which was entertainment and now if pop has taken its place it is the natural progression that was supposed to happen.Classical music was right for the time it was made and pop is right for now.
Learning from it is a good thing but moving on is what should be our aim.
Why because it is more complicated is it better?

[Alioune DVToure]

Most of the stuff you will read about [highlight]classical music[/highlight] will suggest [highlight]it was the pop of its time[/highlight].People like Mozart,Beethoven etc were the pop stars of their time.[highlight]It was not available to as many people back then.[/highlight]
For me that was in the past and my taste and the majority of people who listen to music of the masses and what is popular want something that has evolved and reflects the mood of the moment.To me classical music is living in the past.I think the fact that classical music is now regarded as intellectual hides what it began life as which was entertainment and now if pop has taken its place it is the natural progression that was supposed to happen.Classical music was right for the time it was made and pop is right for now.
Learning from it is a good thing but moving on is what should be our aim.
Why because it is more complicated is it better?

You might want to think about the intrinsic contradiction in your hypothesis.

[Kladze]

Most of the stuff you will read about classical music will suggest it was the pop of its time.People like Mozart,Beethoven etc were the pop stars of their time.It was not available to as many people back then.
For me that was in the past and my taste and the majority of people who[highlight]listen to music of the masses and what is popular want something that has evolved[/highlight] and reflects the mood of the moment.To me classical music is living in the past.I think the fact that classical music is now regarded as intellectual hides what it began life as which was entertainment and now if pop has taken its place it is the natural progression that was supposed to happen.Classical music was right for the time it was made and pop is right for now.
Learning from it is a good thing but moving on is what should be our aim.
Why because it is more complicated is it better?

It hasn't evolved though, it has become more simple. Troubadours were playing stuff no less complex in the 13th/14th centuries.

Even if you try to give pop/rock its own status as an art form it has barely evolved since the late 60s.

[BlueinBosnia]

Most of the stuff you will read about classical music will suggest it was the pop of its time.People like Mozart,Beethoven etc were the pop stars of their time.It was not available to as many people back then.
For me that was in the past and my taste and the majority of people who listen to music of the masses and what is popular want something that has evolved and reflects the mood of the moment.To me classical music is living in the past.I think the fact that classical music is now regarded as intellectual hides what it began life as which was entertainment and now if pop has taken its place it is the natural progression that was supposed to happen.Classical music was right for the time it was made and pop is right for now.
Learning from it is a good thing but moving on is what should be our aim.
Why because it is more complicated is it better?

I guess you have me on foe. I shall take that as a compliment.

If not, then I'd love to take apart all of your sentiments:

Most of the stuff you will read about classical music will suggest it was the pop of its time.

Yes, If you believe classical music stopped in the 1920s, like a 17-year-old chav.

For me that was in the past and my taste and the majority of people who listen to music of the masses and what is popular want something that has evolved and reflects the mood of the moment.

So I guess you preferred 'the Ketchup Song' to any classical music, because it was evocative...

People like Mozart,Beethoven etc were the pop stars of their time.It was not available to as many people back then.

True. But, as an advocate of safe standing, you are surely in favour of performances being given to minimal audiences?

To me classical music is living in the past.I think the fact that classical music is now regarded as intellectual hides what it began life as which was entertainment and now if pop has taken its place it is the natural progression that was supposed to happen.

How is it regarded as intellectual? I personally regard the Daily Mail and Express as rags for pseudo-racist-paedos. It doesn't mean that they don't provide news.

it is the natural progression that was supposed to happen.Classical music was right for the time it was made and pop is right for now.
Learning from it is a good thing but moving on is what should be our aim.
Why because it is more complicated is it better?

I would be really interested to hear your definition of Classical music. Like really, really interested.

[ant london]

I listen to classical music. On car. From radio. I'm not cultured nor do I have any idea what pieces I'm listening but I do know that it calms me down and I enjoy it. It also has clear calming influence on my 5 month old lad.

And that is exactly why they TfL originally started a trial of piping it through the station audio system in tube stations in some of London's fruitier neighbourhoods

"Expect to hear more classical music on the London Underground and not just from buskers on harps or wind instruments. A trial of playing classical music in station ticket halls, which began on the District line at Elm Park in 2003, has apparently become so successful that it's being extended to 40 stations with more to be introduced.

"It was part of a number of measures at the time to deal with anti-social behaviour, which included extra CCTV cameras, additional policing and playing classical music," said a spokesperson from London Underground. "We had fairly anecdotal feedback from customers saying how much they liked it. People found the music relaxing and calming. The playing of classical music was part of a package to improve the ambience of stations."

I've only ever heard piped classical music once on the District Line at Gloucester Road about three years ago. When I asked the station assistant about it then, he said it was just a compilation that one of the guys had done from his computer. However, stations are now being supplied by a contractor with 40 hours of programming using MP3 players. Popular composers are Beethoven, Vivaldi and Rachmaninov.

The Financial Times reported that "A survey by Transport for London of more than 700 travellers found they overwhelmingly agreed that hearing classical music made them "feel happy, less stressed and relaxed".

So listen out for the music and let us know if you've already heard some. Plus if you see any hoodies legging it from stations holding their ears, screaming "No more bloody Beethoven", that might give you a clue that the music's made it to your station."

[Ted Hughes]

[The question I have is that if you say "Nessun Dorma"was a one off that can't be eqalled does that not mean other songs are boring and the one that was nice to listen to is the only one that was used.

I meant Pavarotti's inspirational performance of 'Nessun Dorma' on that occasion, and the way it fit in so well with that particular World Cup was a magiucal one off which imo cannot be reproduced no matter how they try. I suppose you think every piece of music is exactly the same no matter who performs it ?

So your 'Kylie does Puccini' CD is the same as the Pavarotti version ?

[Rag_hater]

Seems all you culture vulture have got your knickers in a twist.
First question is to Mr. Kladze.Why when something becomes simpler why is it worse?

Mr.BlueinBosnia I dont have anybody on foe.Think it's a bit pointless.I do not have a clue (chav like if thats your opinion)when classical music finished .However it is not the music we are debating in this topic but if classical is the style that you are reffering to then for me it is outdated and anything that does become popular by definition is pop music.The classics that are popular are derived from pop.
Yes I like the ketchup song.
You made a few things up in your rebuttle to my arguments and one of them is I am in favour of safe standing.I'm not.Happy for majority of people have to sit and wouldn't change a thing.
Everbody who is arguing with me is telling me that it is to complex for my little mind to comprehend.Maybe I'm wrong and me thinking it is for intellectuals is wrong.
My defination of classical music is music that is played by orchestras(genrally),music by people who have been dead for a while and written for people of that time.Music that is made for people who can understand all the subtle nuances there maybe.To highbrow for a moron like me.


Mr Ant I would argue the fact there were visibly more police and CCTV scared the hoodies off.The fact that they enjoyed a bit of music as a part of the initiative is a minor part of the programme that was not a part of the idea that it was reliant on to suceed.



Mr. Ted.
Has Kylie done Pav?
The thing for me is that you say it was a one off which cannot be reproduced.Thats the case for most live performances.IMO there are other people who can do the poppy sounding Nessun Dorma and would have done it maybe differently but just as well.I wouldn't be suprised to learn that most of the people who saw that performance hadn't heard "Nessun Dorma" and it was a pop tune thats why it was picked and has been so popular since..Music if it is done the same way is the same IMO,that's why classical bores me have heard hundred times before.

[sandman]

it seems the consensus of opinion I am a retard

it is to complex for my little mind to comprehend

To highbrow for a moron like me

I think it is finally sinking in.

[Kladze]

Seems all you culture vulture have got your knickers in a twist.
First question is to Mr. Kladze.Why when something becomes simpler why is it worse?

It isn't.
But if it is incapable of complexity, either by design or ineptitude, then yes that's poor.

I do not have a clue (chav like if thats your opinion)when classical music finished .

Can you really be this brain dead?

The classics that are popular are derived from pop.

Que?

My defination of classical music is music that is played by orchestras(genrally),music by people who have been dead for a while and written for people of that time.

Your definition stinks. Great music transcends time, and it doesn't sound outdated within a decade or so.

Music that is made for people who can understand all the subtle nuances there maybe.To highbrow for a moron like me.

That's the point isn't it. 'Classical' music does have many nuances and aspects which the average Joe won't understand unless it's carefully explained to him. But understanding and enjoyment don't have to go hand in hand, it's quite possible to enjoy without total comprehension.

The number of times I have heard someone tell me that they love a piece of music which has featured in some advert or whatever just serves to prove the point that it is exposure to, and repetition of, that music which causes them an opportunity to like it.

In other words, you are unlikely to like it for the first few listens - that can even be true of popular music of course - and need to be willing to give it a real chance to grow on you. Anybody who professes to like music but claims to dislike 'classical' music is bringing one or both of two things into play. 1) They are pre-judging it, and/or 2) they have a short attention span.

Has Kylie done Pav?

It is puccini - pavarotti did puccini you muppet.

[Rag_hater]

Ok Mr.Kladze you have convinced me.
Classical music is the best thing ever.
Oh and Mr .Sandman (or Einstein) that was so funny.

[Ted Hughes]

The first part of your post was too ludicrous to comment on, so I won't try

Mr. Ted.
Has Kylie done Pav?

Not that I know of but she's done Michael Hutchence.

The thing for me is that you say it was a one off which cannot be reproduced.Thats the case for most live performances.IMO there are other people who can do the poppy sounding Nessun Dorma and would have done it maybe differently but just as well.I wouldn't be suprised to learn that most of the people who saw that performance hadn't heard "Nessun Dorma" and it was a pop tune thats why it was picked and has been so popular since..Music if it is done the same way is the same IMO,that's why classical bores me have heard hundred times before.

NO THERE AREN'T.

One of the most flesh crawlingly awful things I've ever heard seen was Ian Gillan singing Nessun Dorma with Pavarotti. It was like watching Kinkladze pass the ball to Steve Lomas; DON'T DO IT, NO..NO!! TOO LATE HE HAS..

[sandman]

Oh and Mr .Sandman (or Einstein) that was so funny.

I'm not exactly Einstein, its just your idiotic drivel makes everybody elses posts seem so much more ingenious.