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Re: Barton

Postby Alioune DVToure » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:37 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Do you think footballers buying designer watches, lining the pockets if the already wealthy will really help boost the economy?


Don't dodge the question that you set yourself up for. I want to know why your knowledge of economics tells you otherwise.

20% VAT on an expensive consumer item means money in the public coffers. Joey Barton selling his collection of watches and putting the proceeds in an offshore high-interest savings account does not.

and how much of that money is the average tax payer ever likely to see?


As I suspected, you have no answer and don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I wouldn't be so rude but it was you that 'corrected' somebody in the first instance.
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Re: Barton

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:39 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Do you think footballers buying designer watches, lining the pockets if the already wealthy will really help boost the economy?


Don't dodge the question that you set yourself up for. I want to know why your knowledge of economics tells you otherwise.

20% VAT on an expensive consumer item means money in the public coffers. Joey Barton selling his collection of watches and putting the proceeds in an offshore high-interest savings account does not.

and how much of that money is the average tax payer ever likely to see?


Like I suspected, you have no answer and don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I wouldn't be so rude but it was you that 'corrected' somebody in the first instance.

Yes I do have an answer, but I'm not spamming a thread with economics talk which is completely off topic. DO you seriously, seriously think Barton buying a designer watch is going to boost the economy? If you want to discuss it further then PM me.
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Re: Barton

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:40 pm

Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Do you think footballers buying designer watches, lining the pockets if the already wealthy will really help boost the economy?


Don't dodge the question that you set yourself up for. I want to know why your knowledge of economics tells you otherwise.

20% VAT on an expensive consumer item means money in the public coffers. Joey Barton selling his collection of watches and putting the proceeds in an offshore high-interest savings account does not.

and how much of that money is the average tax payer ever likely to see?


Like I suspected, you have no answer and don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I wouldn't be so rude but it was you that 'corrected' somebody in the first instance.


I have had many arguments with so called economists and when all is said and done,put them in charge of most business decisions and they will fuck it up.....9 times out of 10.

I shit on them.
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Re: Barton

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:15 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Do you think footballers buying designer watches, lining the pockets if the already wealthy will really help boost the economy?


Don't dodge the question that you set yourself up for. I want to know why your knowledge of economics tells you otherwise.

20% VAT on an expensive consumer item means money in the public coffers. Joey Barton selling his collection of watches and putting the proceeds in an offshore high-interest savings account does not.

and how much of that money is the average tax payer ever likely to see?


Like I suspected, you have no answer and don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I wouldn't be so rude but it was you that 'corrected' somebody in the first instance.


I have had many arguments with so called economists and when all is said and done,put them in charge of most business decisions and they will fuck it up.....9 times out of 10.

I shit on them.


when it's "reality" vs "policy" it's usually reality that wins out in my experience, but i think that BRF even has the policy part sideways, which is why everyone's taking a warm, creamy dump on him.

Related, did Mick Jagger attend the London School of Economics?

BRF's got the, uhm, Moves Like Jagger.

just sayin.

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Re: Barton

Postby Slim » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:29 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Alioune DVToure wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Do you think footballers buying designer watches, lining the pockets if the already wealthy will really help boost the economy?


Don't dodge the question that you set yourself up for. I want to know why your knowledge of economics tells you otherwise.

20% VAT on an expensive consumer item means money in the public coffers. Joey Barton selling his collection of watches and putting the proceeds in an offshore high-interest savings account does not.

and how much of that money is the average tax payer ever likely to see?


Like I suspected, you have no answer and don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I wouldn't be so rude but it was you that 'corrected' somebody in the first instance.


I have had many arguments with so called economists and when all is said and done,put them in charge of most business decisions and they will fuck it up.....9 times out of 10.

I shit on them.


I think you'll find ADVT is pointing out the new RiG is full of shit and knows nothing of economics.
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Re: Barton

Postby Dameerto » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:36 pm

Quantitative easing, anyone?
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Re: Barton

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:00 pm

Wonderwall wrote:Barton has that grit and determination you want in your team, a hard tackler and a fantastic engine but thats it. He has very little quality and the bad thing about all this is the hype of the fuclin media will probably get Capello to put him in the england squad, I sincerely hope not, he is a fuclin clown and shouldnt be anywhere near the England squad IMO.


He is better on the ball than me or you but I agree he is a twat. All that said when he played for us he was well liked and always gave the blues 100% and unlike many other bigger names like Mcpointy, fowlervalue for money.
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Re: Barton

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:37 pm

Has anyone else in thsi thread noticed the posts switching order?

All those economics posts were there before I posted my last one.

I'm certain I'd read Barton being labeled a championship player. Take that memory!
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Re: Barton

Postby sweeneymcfc » Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:29 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
feedthegreek wrote:thanks joey is a guest on goals on sunday to all those fans of hes;
not a bad player at all ,i can remember all of us on here,
moaning when he wasnt fit for us becsuse we missed him.


I missed him when he got sent off in the 1st half at Spurs & the team came back from 3 goals down without the cunt. When you asked most City fans their opinion of Joey Barton at that moment you wouldn't belive that we would sink low enough for some to turn the bullshitting scouse wanker into some kind of hero a year later. Especially seeing as he was slagging off the club in public & asking to move at the same time. Then he leaves, beats up a kid, goes to jail, Newcastle rehabilitate him, he plays a few games for them, is totally, fucking diabolically, utterly shite, they stick with him, he plays the worst game anyone has ever played in midfield as they get bombed out of the FA Cup at Stevenage, they stick with him, he starts agitating for a move & slagging the club in public.

Now, in his 2nd game for QPR, he's played one decent game, got a few plaudits & is slagging oppo players in public. Phase 2 coming next.



didnt barton score newcastles only goal that game at stevenage?? 30 yard screamer?? he was good for us at a time, over that period of about 5 years if we didnt have phillips barton dunney distin and anelka no doubt we would have gone down. he was good at the time, the club has moved on. no way would he even get on our bench now but he was decent at the time and wanted to move on, most people in his situation would have.
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Re: Barton

Postby ant london » Mon Sep 19, 2011 6:18 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Yes I do have an answer, but I'm not spamming a thread with economics talk which is completely off topic. DO you seriously, seriously think Barton buying a designer watch is going to boost the economy? If you want to discuss it further then PM me.



Look mate, I'm trying not to be harsh but read my post above, click the link and learn about the paradox of thrift. You should know all about it if you've been "studying economics" John Maynard Keynes ring any bells?

In essence, however, the theory goes that spending drives the economy and that in tough times when people stop spending to try to stave off economic hardship it actually has the opposite effect as the restricted spending going into the economy actually leads to further contraction. In simple terms, people don't buy from shops in extremis leads to shop closing = loss of jobs then the manufacturer/distributor/importer also goes to the wall = less jobs. All adds up to more unemployment. Government spending that would be used to stimulate the economy (by way of incentives, tax revenues/tax cuts, help to business) has to be directed towards helping the unemployed subsist day to day.

At a macro level this is exactly why economists and business have been saying for the last couple of years that all the mass austerity measures enacted across the EU ran the risk of taking the Eurozone back into recession as "government spending" and the restriction of it has the same effect as the shop analogy above.

In short, the wealthy ceasing to spend as they typically have done has an adverse effect on the economy. So Barton not buying cars, watches, clothes, holidays, spending money on cleaners and gardeners etc etc is NOT a good thing in economic terms.

That clear enough?
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Re: Barton

Postby Mase » Mon Sep 19, 2011 1:30 pm

I like JB, I'm one of his biggest fans. But what the hell is this all about:

"Joey’s flash £170,000 Aston Martin DBS is being ditched in ­favour of a sensible Toyota Prius and even a moped in a far more spartan existence"

I'm not sure if he thinks buying a Prius is suddenly going to put food on peoples plates, but it isn't. In fact, he's probably going to take away because as he says after that, less money will be going to the Government.

If I was earning 90 nicker a week I'd have about 5 top quality cars and wouldn't moan about paying £100 a time to fill my car up!
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Re: Barton

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:43 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Yes I do have an answer, but I'm not spamming a thread with economics talk which is completely off topic. DO you seriously, seriously think Barton buying a designer watch is going to boost the economy? If you want to discuss it further then PM me.


Fucking hell.

I was following this topic and reponses to your silly comment with half arsed interest but are you REALLY trying to tell us that "you've studied economics" and you know some wicked theory where loaded people not spending is actually meaningless or even GOOD for the economy.

Only fucking good thing about footballers being paid so much is the fact that most of them are airheads who will spend money on luxury things like, well watches worth of hundreds of thousand of pounds. Not only will they have to pay taxes for the watches they buy but they will put money on the pocket of the owner of the shop that sells watches. He in turn pays taxes for earnings and spends money all meanwhile paing VAT for various different things he spends money on. He gives money to his kids who go to movies and keep the local theatre going. Manufacturer of those watches will have numerous of employees who will spend their salaries on various different things and so on and so on and so on.

It actually means ALOT that these people are spending money. If Barton wants to help people put food on the table of average man he should spend more and more.

I repeat. Fucking hell.

I would REALLY love to hear that theory of yours. I've studied some university economics as part of my studies. Not much. Microeconomics, macroeconomics, marketing 101 and shit like that.There are people here who have studied lot more than me. What I do know though is that in NONE (zero, zip) of those classes was it mentioned that people not spending money on luxury items is meaningless. Quite the opposite. Furthermore, I'm probably one of the more left wing people on this board and even I will acknowledge that in western system it is extremely important that people will spend money (from macroeconomical point of view of course).
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Re: Barton

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:13 pm

I'm still waiting.
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Re: Barton

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Sep 20, 2011 2:21 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I'm still waiting.


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Re: Barton

Postby Blue in North London » Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:07 pm

Mase wrote:I like JB, I'm one of his biggest fans. But what the hell is this all about:



A fan of him as a ‘person’ or as a footballer?

As a person, he is a nasty, disrespectful, mouthy, violent, psychopathic, self-absorbed individual who thinks he is far more intelligent and important than he actually is. Also, judging by what I have been told by someone else, he has some questionable attitudes. A truly horrible character.
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Re: Barton

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Re: Barton

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:10 pm

Rag_hater wrote:Here is an argument to your points:

http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/ ... e-economy/


Some twisted analysis posts there but I feel the OP is wrong on that site.....This quote sums it up in one sentence for me.

Spending is what drives the economy, keeping money in savings doesn’t really do much for anyone.
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Re: Barton

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:35 pm

Rag_hater wrote:Here is an argument to your points:

http://www.thesimpledollar.com/2007/08/ ... e-economy/


Except that it's pretty retarded theory.

His main thesis seems to be that money he gives to bank instead of spending it is going to be loaned out and therefore help some business. Except that if people start following that model no one wants to loan money for their business because there is nothing to be sold or manufactured because no one is spending money. And of course there would be no jobs because there would be no industries other than banking. Therefore people wouldn't take mortgages out either.
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Re: Barton

Postby Crossie » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:17 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Yes I do have an answer, but I'm not spamming a thread with economics talk which is completely off topic. DO you seriously, seriously think Barton buying a designer watch is going to boost the economy? If you want to discuss it further then PM me.


Fucking hell.

I was following this topic and reponses to your silly comment with half arsed interest but are you REALLY trying to tell us that "you've studied economics" and you know some wicked theory where loaded people not spending is actually meaningless or even GOOD for the economy.

Only fucking good thing about footballers being paid so much is the fact that most of them are airheads who will spend money on luxury things like, well watches worth of hundreds of thousand of pounds. Not only will they have to pay taxes for the watches they buy but they will put money on the pocket of the owner of the shop that sells watches. He in turn pays taxes for earnings and spends money all meanwhile paing VAT for various different things he spends money on. He gives money to his kids who go to movies and keep the local theatre going. Manufacturer of those watches will have numerous of employees who will spend their salaries on various different things and so on and so on and so on.

It actually means ALOT that these people are spending money. If Barton wants to help people put food on the table of average man he should spend more and more.

I repeat. Fucking hell.

I would REALLY love to hear that theory of yours. I've studied some university economics as part of my studies. Not much. Microeconomics, macroeconomics, marketing 101 and shit like that.There are people here who have studied lot more than me. What I do know though is that in NONE (zero, zip) of those classes was it mentioned that people not spending money on luxury items is meaningless. Quite the opposite. Furthermore, I'm probably one of the more left wing people on this board and even I will acknowledge that in western system it is extremely important that people will spend money (from macroeconomical point of view of course).


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Re: Barton

Postby zuricity » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:38 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Yes I do have an answer, but I'm not spamming a thread with economics talk which is completely off topic. DO you seriously, seriously think Barton buying a designer watch is going to boost the economy? If you want to discuss it further then PM me.


Fucking hell.

I was following this topic and reponses to your silly comment with half arsed interest but are you REALLY trying to tell us that "you've studied economics" and you know some wicked theory where loaded people not spending is actually meaningless or even GOOD for the economy.

Only fucking good thing about footballers being paid so much is the fact that most of them are airheads who will spend money on luxury things like, well watches worth of hundreds of thousand of pounds. Not only will they have to pay taxes for the watches they buy but they will put money on the pocket of the owner of the shop that sells watches. He in turn pays taxes for earnings and spends money all meanwhile paing VAT for various different things he spends money on. He gives money to his kids who go to movies and keep the local theatre going. Manufacturer of those watches will have numerous of employees who will spend their salaries on various different things and so on and so on and so on.

It actually means ALOT that these people are spending money. If Barton wants to help people put food on the table of average man he should spend more and more.

I repeat. Fucking hell.

I would REALLY love to hear that theory of yours. I've studied some university economics as part of my studies. Not much. Microeconomics, macroeconomics, marketing 101 and shit like that.There are people here who have studied lot more than me. What I do know though is that in NONE (zero, zip) of those classes was it mentioned that people not spending money on luxury items is meaningless. Quite the opposite. Furthermore, I'm probably one of the more left wing people on this board and even I will acknowledge that in western system it is extremely important that people will spend money (from macroeconomical point of view of course).




May I just Multiply the Effect of that statement on Economics.... Or should I say Multiplier (Effect) ?

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