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[Chinners]

Yeah because title challengers drop points to bottom of the league sides dont they. United do it all the time.

Everyone got carried away after 4 wins but in reality spurs was the only game that exceeded expectations and that was as much down to spurs playing shit as it was to us playing well.

When silva came off yesterday we had absolutely nothing going forward which is a huge problem if we intend on winning anything this season. The subs were all fuckups.

AJ is only useful against teams that will come out and attack and at 2-2 fulham we're not going to do that.
Tevez should of been on for dzeko who had 1 chance in the box i can remember and went down far too easily to give them the equaliser.
zabs for silva, what the FUCKKKK???, Silva's face when he was coming off was the same as every city fan watching.

But apart from all that, if we are aiming for second this season then we are still on target which is a plus.

Yeah right ... er ... ok, agreed ... what you said ... nah thats bollox ... well I can see what you mean ... ok


Sorry wasn't paying much attention to your post because of the avatar ... nice work

[Patrick]

im glad this thread is on, talk about overreaction weve got 13 pts scored 17 goals
and our main purchase this summer as scored 7 goals. a great start .
the scum wont win 38 games and finish with 114 pts ffs.
we lost a 2 goal lead it happens get over it.

This.

Some fans are living in fantasy land.

The scum lost leads and drew or lost on occasion last season and won the league. It happens!

This

Hear hear well said....

do you have some kind of listening problem?

cheers

English lessons from a septic - tut tut

[Moonchesteri]

13/15. Great start to the season and I'm happy with that.
Gutted we gave away a two goal lead yesterday and that shouldn't happen. everyone will drop points and the season is long.

Bring on Neverton next weekend, time to put them to sword!

[Ted Hughes]

This is my 1st visit to the site since getting back from the match yesterday. I have not seen football first but watched MOTD last night.
My observations based on seeing it live at the ground are a mixture of what I have read in this thread – of course there is no need to be negative and over-react, but there are some things that definitely need to be looked at.

Main points (IMO):

1/ Needs to be said I am afraid no matter how it sounds like a lame excuse – Clattenberk is a twat who will look to give CITY nothing – I do not just mean the blatant foul before the equaliser – but all through the game he gave every decision he could to Fulham – just grateful there was not even an half shout for a penalty.

2/ Did not show up on MOTD as they showed very little of the game but before the 1st Fulham goal they were a team that had given up and it was only through a shocking lack of our ‘killer instinct’ and concentration / professionalism that they were gifted a way back into it. They were dead and had given up – we let them back in rather than them earning it. I hate the scum with a passion and it leaves a bad taste to say something positive but when they get 2 up they seem to get more urgent rather than complacent – which seems to be the disease we have and one which I hoped we had left behind.

It seemed to creep in just after the disallowed Aguerro goal – less urgency in the tackle, sloppy passing, less tracking back etc – it was the air of a team that has ‘switched off’ – the CITY fans in the crowd could sense it before the 1st Fulham goal was scored and were urging the team to buck up. Micah’s stupidity on the throw-in (why oh why does always take them?) and his half-hearted attempt to block Zamora’s shot are 2 obvious examples – but it was the same in other areas / players.

This is something that Mancini has to (and I am sure he will) address – he seems to hate such casualness and it needs to be driven out – when we are in charge – kill the opposition off FFS rather than adopt this ‘we are superior ‘ and can afford to be casual attitude – it is the difference (IMO) between champions and challengers.

3/ I think that Mancini is right to point out the fact that we have 6 away games after the CL league fixtures (the scum of course have 6 home ties) – of course it is not just the luck of the draw - but no point bleating about it – we have surely the squad to handle this situation – we handled it yesterday – we dropped points through poor attitude not lack of available players.

4/ If we are to play with the width coming from attacking FBs – seems to be absolutely the right approach, it shows the need for de Jong and the need to sort out his contract – to protect the 2 CBs from the counter-attack. You also need FBs who will get back asap not jog.

5/ Again if that is the approach I can see changes in our FBs. Micah has improved out of all recognition from 18 months ago when he seemed to be a world class jogger, but there still seems to be question marks over both his attitude and his skills as an attacking FB. People that love him are fully entitled to their opinion – as are those that raise questions – for me it is just that if that is our tactic then you need top players in that role and I would not be surprised if there is a new arrival in that position within the next 2 transfer windows (just an opinion). For the same reason I would see Clichy has ahead of Kolorov.

6/ Adam Johnson seems to have lost some (most?) of the mojo/confidence that saw him in the past take some responsibility to attack defenders and create opportunities. I do not know if this is something to do with the instructions he has been given (cannot see why that would be the case) or if he has just loos a yard of pace and a good deal of confidence – but we need more from him when he comes on.

7/ The CITY away crowd remains one of the most satisfying things to be a part of – what an atmosphere and noise – again this did not come across on MOTD – they were fantastic.

All in all – no reason to panic / over-react – but there are things that need sorting – and I am sure Mancini will get it done.

This is how I saw it for the most part. We stopped playing first & Fulham started playing after that. We begged them to come & join in the game & after initially being reluctant, they eventually agreed to have a go & knocked a couple of goals in. Then we tried to start playing again & they caused us no more problems but we had run out of ideas/players & couldn't get the winner. we could, & should have won the game 4 or 5 nil.

I can agree with comments about Micah to some extent but I don't see anyone else anywhere in that position who doesn't have just as many, or more faults in their game. There are no great fullbacks anywhere. We have a decent squad of defenders apart from, imo, I'd like a CB in the squad who's lightning fast. But no team in Europe has a perfect defence. It's just how they work together. Ours went to pieces organisationally with people just not doing their jobs. Imo the same thing happened v Napoli & a better team would have murdered us. We have a right hammering just around the corner unless we get more organised at the back. It's nothing Bob can't sort out though. I just hope he does it quickly before Bayern or the rags give us a hiding. If we sort it out, I recon we could beat either or both of them.

I also think the forwards/attacking midf have been too slow to help the def/ def midfield at times & this is causing them to be overworked. If we play this many attackers, they must track back quicker.

I don't understand people criticising AJ on his recent performances though. Imo he's done what he's supposed to when used.

[ENIAM NAM]

It was Fulham, we were 2 up & we drew, you fucking knobs. Of course it was a bad result & of course people underperformed. Fucking phone Mancini & ask him what he thinks, but tell him not to make it public in case he upsets people.

Well let's fuckin boo them then when they come out against everton. That'll show them what we all think.

We could even target Kompany (you know, like we did edgehill all those years ago) cos he's under performing isn't he?

[mcfc1632]

This is how I saw it for the most part. We stopped playing first & Fulham started playing after that. We begged them to come & join in the game & after initially being reluctant, they eventually agreed to have a go & knocked a couple of goals in. Then we tried to start playing again & they caused us no more problems but we had run out of ideas/players & couldn't get the winner. we could, & should have won the game 4 or 5 nil.

I can agree with comments about Micah to some extent but I don't see anyone else anywhere in that position who doesn't have just as many, or more faults in their game. There are no great fullbacks anywhere. We have a decent squad of defenders apart from, imo, I'd like a CB in the squad who's lightning fast. But no team in Europe has a perfect defence. It's just how they work together. Ours went to pieces organisationally with people just not doing their jobs. Imo the same thing happened v Napoli & a better team would have murdered us. We have a right hammering just around the corner unless we get more organised at the back. It's nothing Bob can't sort out though. I just hope he does it quickly before Bayern or the rags give us a hiding. If we sort it out, I recon we could beat either or both of them.

I also think the forwards/attacking midf have been too slow to help the def/ def midfield at times & this is causing them to be overworked. If we play this many attackers, they must track back quicker.

I don't understand people criticising AJ on his recent performances though. Imo he's done what he's supposed to when used.

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Agreed Ted - I was just posting 'thoughts' and certainly not trying to lay the 'blame' on Micah and AJ. My comments on them are just feelings over a period of a few games not just yesterday - but yes I agree - who would be better at RB? - there is no obvious candidate out there - but I think that it is an area that will be looked at if one becomes available

[Ted Hughes]

It was Fulham, we were 2 up & we drew, you fucking knobs. Of course it was a bad result & of course people underperformed. Fucking phone Mancini & ask him what he thinks, but tell him not to make it public in case he upsets people.

Well let's fuckin boo them then when they come out against everton. That'll show them what we all think.

We could even target Kompany (you know, like we did edgehill all those years ago) cos he's under performing isn't he?

No, lets discuss it like those of us with half a fucking brain are doing right now. If that's too difficult for you, what the fucking hell are you here for ?

[Ted Hughes]

Agreed Ted - I was just posting 'thoughts' and certainly not trying to lay the 'blame' on Micah and AJ. My comments on them are just feelings over a period of a few games not just yesterday - but yes I agree - who would be better at RB? - there is no obvious candidate out there - but I think that it is an area that will be looked at if one becomes available]

Well when you look at the optiions of rags, Chelsea, even Barca; would those players be any more reliable than Micah defensively ? Alvez would get forward better but I don't see any of them inproving us defensively. I just think we have to sort out what we've got. We already know we can flood the team with defensive midfielders & play deeper; this is a new challenge; to tighten up the defence to the same standard but with a more attack minded set of players. It will involve a bit of trial & error imo, before we get it right.

[john@staustell]

I expected a bit but a little bit surprised to see so many inquests on here. 13 from 15 sounds pretty good to me.

we are a little bit ublucky in that the injuries to DeJong and Milner, combined with the non-yet-readiness of Hargreaves, combined to mak us a bit weak. If I could change anything I might have sent Kompany to run around around in midfield and brought on Kolo.

But I cant, so lets move on to Brum!

[ENIAM NAM]

It was Fulham, we were 2 up & we drew, you fucking knobs. Of course it was a bad result & of course people underperformed. Fucking phone Mancini & ask him what he thinks, but tell him not to make it public in case he upsets people.

Well let's fuckin boo them then when they come out against everton. That'll show them what we all think.

We could even target Kompany (you know, like we did edgehill all those years ago) cos he's under performing isn't he?

No, lets discuss it like those of us with half a fucking brain are doing right now. If that's too difficult for you, what the fucking hell are you here for ?

I have nothing against constructive criticism in the context of the season so far but are you telling me that the match day thread, and topics as to whether Mancini is the right man, are not an over reaction to a disappointing result in an otherwise strong start to the season?

[Ted Hughes]

It was Fulham, we were 2 up & we drew, you fucking knobs. Of course it was a bad result & of course people underperformed. Fucking phone Mancini & ask him what he thinks, but tell him not to make it public in case he upsets people.

Well let's fuckin boo them then when they come out against everton. That'll show them what we all think.

We could even target Kompany (you know, like we did edgehill all those years ago) cos he's under performing isn't he?

No, lets discuss it like those of us with half a fucking brain are doing right now. If that's too difficult for you, what the fucking hell are you here for ?

I have nothing against constructive criticism in the context of the season so far but are you telling me that the match day thread, and topics as to whether Mancini is the right man, are not an over reaction to a disappointing result in an otherwise strong start to the season?

Most of the comments are supportive of Mancini & criticising the performance v Fulham, quite rightly. It was a fuck up. We are either after the title or we're not. If we're trying to win the title; we may have just lost the two easy points that wiss miss it by at the end of the season. We are at a new level now where every point matters. If we chuck two of them away v a struggling side, it deserves looking at in detail.

[Chinners]

Indeed, as I said elsewhere yesterday it was certainly two points dropped but overall I'd say we are +1 on aways points gained so far as most of us did not expect to get 3 points at Spurs (let alone the manner in which we got them)

[Ted Hughes]

Indeed, as I said elsewhere yesterday it was certainly two points dropped but overall I'd say we are +1 on aways points gained so far as most of us did not expect to get 3 points at Spurs (let alone the manner in which we got them)

WE didn't expect to get 3 points at Spurs because we have the mentality of losers & although we all talk of winning the league, when it comes down to it, we all expect to fuck it up, so we're not that arsed about games like Fulham. Utd & Chelsea expect to get 3 points at Spurs & see anything less than that as points dropped in the title race which have to be found somewhere else. If they do fuck up at Fulham or similar, they rely on us to do the same, which we've just duly obliged, giving them a free get out of jail fuck up card to play.

If you look at the rags' home form; who, other than us, is remotely likely to take even one point off them between now & the end of the season ? Liverpool on a flukey day perhaps ? How many points will they drop unless they go to shit?

Will we get the same number of home points or will we draw or lose one or two? If that is going to happen, we are already 4 or maybe 6 points off the title pace. If we in at OT we get 3 of them back. If we lose we are possibly 9 poiints off the pace.

This result was a disaster in the title race & we can only get these points back if the rags have a similar fuck up. If they don't & we have similar results to them away from home, they win the league.

[Ted Hughes]

"What team comes here against Fulham in London and has over 70 per cent of ball possession?" he added. "We had the same problem against Wigan at home. We had 15 chances in the first half and we scored only one goal.

"It doesn't always go well if you don't score, if you don't close the game."

Mancini was unhappy with the way his star-studded attackers defended, too, accusing them of shirking their responsibilities.

"For 10 minutes, we defended with five or six players. It is not good enough," he said. "I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed because we conceded two stupid goals."

[mcfc1632]

"What team comes here against Fulham in London and has over 70 per cent of ball possession?" he added. "We had the same problem against Wigan at home. We had 15 chances in the first half and we scored only one goal.

"It doesn't always go well if you don't score, if you don't close the game."

Mancini was unhappy with the way his star-studded attackers defended, too, accusing them of shirking their responsibilities.

"For 10 minutes, we defended with five or six players. It is not good enough," he said. "I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed because we conceded two stupid goals."

Glad he has said this - I mentioned in my post that I was confident that he will sort it and he clearly sees the issue(s) - the need to close a game out - and the need to avoid sloppiness/casualness

[Chinners]

Indeed, as I said elsewhere yesterday it was certainly two points dropped but overall I'd say we are +1 on aways points gained so far as most of us did not expect to get 3 points at Spurs (let alone the manner in which we got them)

WE didn't expect to get 3 points at Spurs because we have the mentality of losers & although we all talk of winning the league, when it comes down to it, we all expect to fuck it up, so we're not that arsed about games like Fulham. Utd & Chelsea expect to get 3 points at Spurs & see anything less than that as points dropped in the title race which have to be found somewhere else. If they do fuck up at Fulham or similar, they rely on us to do the same, which we've just duly obliged, giving them a free get out of jail fuck up card to play.

If you look at the rags' home form; who, other than us, is remotely likely to take even one point off them between now & the end of the season ? Liverpool on a flukey day perhaps ? How many points will they drop unless they go to shit?

Will we get the same number of home points or will we draw or lose one or two? If that is going to happen, we are already 4 or maybe 6 points off the title pace. If we in at OT we get 3 of them back. If we lose we are possibly 9 poiints off the pace.

This result was a disaster in the title race & we can only get these points back if the rags have a similar fuck up. If they don't & we have similar results to them away from home, they win the league.

Yeah I get all that but (no pun intended) this is football. The rags won the league last season with possibly their best home form for ages (spawny or not is for another time) but their away form was, by their standards, shit. As you said in another thread its about US improving on last season, fuck what they do. Comparing ours and their results week on week will just send you barmy imo, lets just see what happpens after 38 games, granted, its not that easy to do mind.

[Ted Hughes]

Indeed, as I said elsewhere yesterday it was certainly two points dropped but overall I'd say we are +1 on aways points gained so far as most of us did not expect to get 3 points at Spurs (let alone the manner in which we got them)

WE didn't expect to get 3 points at Spurs because we have the mentality of losers & although we all talk of winning the league, when it comes down to it, we all expect to fuck it up, so we're not that arsed about games like Fulham. Utd & Chelsea expect to get 3 points at Spurs & see anything less than that as points dropped in the title race which have to be found somewhere else. If they do fuck up at Fulham or similar, they rely on us to do the same, which we've just duly obliged, giving them a free get out of jail fuck up card to play.

If you look at the rags' home form; who, other than us, is remotely likely to take even one point off them between now & the end of the season ? Liverpool on a flukey day perhaps ? How many points will they drop unless they go to shit?

Will we get the same number of home points or will we draw or lose one or two? If that is going to happen, we are already 4 or maybe 6 points off the title pace. If we in at OT we get 3 of them back. If we lose we are possibly 9 poiints off the pace.

This result was a disaster in the title race & we can only get these points back if the rags have a similar fuck up. If they don't & we have similar results to them away from home, they win the league.

Yeah I get all that but (no pun intended) this is football. The rags won the league last season with possibly their best home form for ages (spawny or not is for another time) but their away form was, by their standards, shit. As you said in another thread its about US improving on last season, fuck what they do. Comparing ours and their results week on week will just send you barmy imo, lets just see what happpens after 38 games, granted, its not that easy to do mind.

That's the point; last year their away form was crap. If it's decent this year, we've just dropped two points we may never get back as they may win & lose a similar number of games to us away from home. These are the games where the title may be won & lost.

I'm not that arsed, I think we play great football now & will get better. Just pointing out; we fucked up & wondering what to do about it.

[Chinners]

You sir, can do nowt about it, just like me ... we are merely observers of gods own team ...

[Hazy2]

It's a fucking disgrace. We should have 15 points and a far superior goal differnce to the Scum.

No perspective, just objectives, and beating Fulham was one of them. Back to the drawing board Mancini 'cos if you throw away points like that again, I'll be on the phone to my old mucker the Sheikhy and have you out.

"the sheikhy" Cheered me up that mate cheers..

[london blue 2]

Unfortunately this is the bench mark so far this year. If we want the team to win the league (and there's no doubt we do) then we need to win every game possible, including the games against lower league teams where we are cruising at 2-0 in the second half of the match.

Had the scum dropped those points we'd be pissing ourselves at them saying how it shows that they're over rated etc.