Mancini IN !

[Beefymcfc]

I'm sure there won't be many who won't back Mancini on these issues but on the field of play he got it completely wrong.

Would you like to elaborate on that..

I can't speak for Beefy, but...

Toure for Lescott was a strange one. I'm no fan of Lescott, but to bring in a player who'd only made one appearance this season in such a high profile match was odd.
Yaya and barry can't play together. It's like Yaya and Vieira last season - both ok in their own right, but too slow together. NDJ not being fit was a loss, but he should have found some energy and pace to go in there.
Especially considering the slow midfield, we were completely outnumbered. We had the same problem last time against Kiev when we suddenly became gung-ho and it happened last night. I would have expected us to be much more compact and high temp and to try and hit them on the break. If we went one down, we'd have had more to bring on in either a Nasri or Aguero, rather than not having a lot of attacking intent on the bench, made much worse by herman's antics.

A very poor performance from the players once we let one in, but I think tactically and in the team selected, Mancini got in wrong. Hopefully he gets it right in the remaining 4 games and we can get at least 2nd.

Didn't notice that anyone had quoted that, however I am in agreement with you. Mancini got his tactics completely wrong and by announcing it to the world pre-game made the oppo's task even easier. Kolo, very strange, not just because you're are throwing a player in without any game time but making things even worse by breaking up a partnership and pushing the other defender into a different position.

It's probably been a great experience already in the CL for most of the club but I'm getting that sinking feeling that we aren't going to make it past the group stages. Whether it's Mancini's tactical naus in Europe or whether it's the players not being able to adjust, I don't know but it's becoming clear that if we don't win our next game, we could already be gonners by time we've played 3 games.

[brite blu sky]

I'm sure there won't be many who won't back Mancini on these issues but on the field of play he got it completely wrong.

Would you like to elaborate on that..

I can't speak for Beefy, but...

Toure for Lescott was a strange one. I'm no fan of Lescott, but to bring in a player who'd only made one appearance this season in such a high profile match was odd.
Yaya and barry can't play together. It's like Yaya and Vieira last season - both ok in their own right, but too slow together. NDJ not being fit was a loss, but he should have found some energy and pace to go in there.
Especially considering the slow midfield, we were completely outnumbered. We had the same problem last time against Kiev when we suddenly became gung-ho and it happened last night. I would have expected us to be much more compact and high temp and to try and hit them on the break. If we went one down, we'd have had more to bring on in either a Nasri or Aguero, rather than not having a lot of attacking intent on the bench, made much worse by herman's antics.

A very poor performance from the players once we let one in, but I think tactically and in the team selected, Mancini got in wrong. Hopefully he gets it right in the remaining 4 games and we can get at least 2nd.

Fair enough, but without saying that Mancini can do no wrong because clearly he and any other manager can get it all wrong. He has to take responsibility. Even for the fact that players didn't bother to run for 90mins, that's his responsibilty to sort out, from the touchline or preferably beforehand in prep and training.
My take though is that the formation and tactics were not at fault, there was no glaring problem per se. Maybe that Barry and Yaya are not active enough or communicate enough.. but really two players like that should not be struggling to organise themselves.

I would have stuck with Lescott too, but i dont think it would have made a difference tbh.

No on this one and at Fulham and Napoli the basic problem has been defensive workrate of the forward mids and the mids. Bayern would have scored eventually as we simply did not respond to them upping their game.
Bayern pounced when we started to commit way too many players forward at the same time, stupid stuff like Micah and Toure right upfield while Yaya is having a doze in the centre circle.
In general Nasri, Aguero, Yaya not doing enough defensively in an organised fashion.

[Beefymcfc]

I'm sure there won't be many who won't back Mancini on these issues but on the field of play he got it completely wrong.

Would you like to elaborate on that..

I can't speak for Beefy, but...

Toure for Lescott was a strange one. I'm no fan of Lescott, but to bring in a player who'd only made one appearance this season in such a high profile match was odd.
Yaya and barry can't play together. It's like Yaya and Vieira last season - both ok in their own right, but too slow together. NDJ not being fit was a loss, but he should have found some energy and pace to go in there.
Especially considering the slow midfield, we were completely outnumbered. We had the same problem last time against Kiev when we suddenly became gung-ho and it happened last night. I would have expected us to be much more compact and high temp and to try and hit them on the break. If we went one down, we'd have had more to bring on in either a Nasri or Aguero, rather than not having a lot of attacking intent on the bench, made much worse by herman's antics.

A very poor performance from the players once we let one in, but I think tactically and in the team selected, Mancini got in wrong. Hopefully he gets it right in the remaining 4 games and we can get at least 2nd.

Fair enough, but without saying that Mancini can do no wrong because clearly he and any other manager can get it all wrong. He has to take responsibility. Even for the fact that players didn't bother to run for 90mins, that's his responsibilty to sort out, from the touchline or preferably beforehand in prep and training.
My take though is that the formation and tactics were not at fault, there was no glaring problem per se. Maybe that Barry and Yaya are not active enough or communicate enough.. but really two players like that should not be struggling to organise themselves.

I would have stuck with Lescott too, but i dont think it would have made a difference tbh.

No on this one and at Fulham and Napoli the basic problem has been defensive workrate of the forward mids and the mids. Bayern would have scored eventually as we simply did not respond to them upping their game.
Bayern pounced when we started to commit way too many players forward at the same time, stupid stuff like Micah and Toure right upfield while Yaya is having a doze in the centre circle.
In general Nasri, Aguero, Yaya not doing enough defensively in an organised fashion.

So, defensively down to 3 players, 2 of which didn't really have anything to do with the defence? Yes, we play and defend as a team but the truth is that it wasn't there fault that Joe saved a goal 3 times before Gomes put it away. The problems started at the back and the more confident Bayern got the more they knew they'd get through. Mancini obviously played a more attacking game and even told the world he'd be going for the win. It backfired and Mancini realised his naivity and it pisses me off that rather than talk the game we are left slagging one of our players; cunt he is!

[Blue Since 76]

Fair enough, but without saying that Mancini can do no wrong because clearly he and any other manager can get it all wrong. He has to take responsibility. Even for the fact that players didn't bother to run for 90mins, that's his responsibilty to sort out, from the touchline or preferably beforehand in prep and training.
My take though is that the formation and tactics were not at fault, there was no glaring problem per se. Maybe that Barry and Yaya are not active enough or communicate enough.. but really two players like that should not be struggling to organise themselves.

I would have stuck with Lescott too, but i dont think it would have made a difference tbh.

No on this one and at Fulham and Napoli the basic problem has been defensive workrate of the forward mids and the mids. Bayern would have scored eventually as we simply did not respond to them upping their game.
Bayern pounced when we started to commit way too many players forward at the same time, stupid stuff like Micah and Toure right upfield while Yaya is having a doze in the centre circle.
In general Nasri, Aguero, Yaya not doing enough defensively in an organised fashion.

You say tactics and formation weren't wrong, but then highlight the problems evident against Fulham and Napoli - that we've turned into an Arsenal, where we look great with the ball, especially if you stand off us, but can't cope when teams attack us. That problem is down to the formation, tactics and the personnel used. Up to Mancini to sort and I think he will.

[brite blu sky]

Fair enough, but without saying that Mancini can do no wrong because clearly he and any other manager can get it all wrong. He has to take responsibility. Even for the fact that players didn't bother to run for 90mins, that's his responsibilty to sort out, from the touchline or preferably beforehand in prep and training.
My take though is that the formation and tactics were not at fault, there was no glaring problem per se. Maybe that Barry and Yaya are not active enough or communicate enough.. but really two players like that should not be struggling to organise themselves.

I would have stuck with Lescott too, but i dont think it would have made a difference tbh.

No on this one and at Fulham and Napoli the basic problem has been defensive workrate of the forward mids and the mids. Bayern would have scored eventually as we simply did not respond to them upping their game.
Bayern pounced when we started to commit way too many players forward at the same time, stupid stuff like Micah and Toure right upfield while Yaya is having a doze in the centre circle.
In general Nasri, Aguero, Yaya not doing enough defensively in an organised fashion.

You say tactics and formation weren't wrong, but then highlight the problems evident against Fulham and Napoli - that we've turned into an Arsenal, where we look great with the ball, especially if you stand off us, but can't cope when teams attack us. That problem is down to the formation, tactics and the personnel used. Up to Mancini to sort and I think he will.

Yes but if you give roles to those players and instructions and they fail to execute them then who or what is to blame ?
Should Mancini react by throwing another defensive mid in just to be sure? No should he fuck, he has to get the players to perform.
If you listen to Mancini he is saying that the players are abandoning their responsibilities, and to me it fucking looks like that too.

There is no problem with Barry and Yaya sharing defensive cover as long as they actually do it. All told players are looking for someone else to pick up the tab and are not shouldering full responsibility.

[Beefymcfc]

Fair enough, but without saying that Mancini can do no wrong because clearly he and any other manager can get it all wrong. He has to take responsibility. Even for the fact that players didn't bother to run for 90mins, that's his responsibilty to sort out, from the touchline or preferably beforehand in prep and training.
My take though is that the formation and tactics were not at fault, there was no glaring problem per se. Maybe that Barry and Yaya are not active enough or communicate enough.. but really two players like that should not be struggling to organise themselves.

I would have stuck with Lescott too, but i dont think it would have made a difference tbh.

No on this one and at Fulham and Napoli the basic problem has been defensive workrate of the forward mids and the mids. Bayern would have scored eventually as we simply did not respond to them upping their game.
Bayern pounced when we started to commit way too many players forward at the same time, stupid stuff like Micah and Toure right upfield while Yaya is having a doze in the centre circle.
In general Nasri, Aguero, Yaya not doing enough defensively in an organised fashion.

You say tactics and formation weren't wrong, but then highlight the problems evident against Fulham and Napoli - that we've turned into an Arsenal, where we look great with the ball, especially if you stand off us, but can't cope when teams attack us. That problem is down to the formation, tactics and the personnel used. Up to Mancini to sort and I think he will.

Yes but if you give roles to those players and instructions and they fail to execute them then who or what is to blame ?
Should Mancini react by throwing another defensive mid in just to be sure? No should he fuck, he has to get the players to perform.
If you listen to Mancini he is saying that the players are abandoning their responsibilities, and to me it fucking looks like that too.

There is no problem with Barry and Yaya sharing defensive cover as long as they actually do it. All told players are looking for someone else to pick up the tab and are not shouldering full responsibility.

So, Mancini has no control over the players and you do not see that he got it wrong?

[zuricity]

I'm sure there won't be many who won't back Mancini on these issues but on the field of play he got it completely wrong.

Would you like to elaborate on that..

I can't speak for Beefy, but...

Toure for Lescott was a strange one.

I'm no fan of Lescott, but to bring in a player who'd only made one appearance this season in such a high profile match was odd.
Yaya and barry can't play together. It's like Yaya and Vieira last season - both ok in their own right, but too slow together. NDJ not being fit was a loss, but he should have found some energy and pace to go in there.
Especially considering the slow midfield, we were completely outnumbered. We had the same problem last time against Kiev when we suddenly became gung-ho and it happened last night. I would have expected us to be much more compact and high temp and to try and hit them on the break. If we went one down, we'd have had more to bring on in either a Nasri or Aguero, rather than not having a lot of attacking intent on the bench, made much worse by herman's antics.

A very poor performance from the players once we let one in, but I think tactically and in the team selected, Mancini got in wrong. Hopefully he gets it right in the remaining 4 games and we can get at least 2nd.

What did Toure do wrong ?

Is it Toure's fault we didn't get a deserved Penalty ? The Ref was poor and Bayern got lucky with the rebounds and deflections ?

We got sucker punched by Bayern. I listened to Hoeness Crapping on about our millions /billions and saying it would never happen at Bayern. Although a quarter of Mercedes is owned by the Man City owner and Arab investment in Germany is commonplace.

Where I think Hoeness and Bayern players let themselves down is by doing the Man U crap about somehow being above us. (He came over as very arrogrant in the interview after the game) .

Which they are not.

[ronk]

He's under pressure now, he doesn't really deserve to be. We've lost one game, away to Bayern.

If he can steer us through it all then he'll emerge stronger than ever.

[Hazy2]

He's under pressure now, he doesn't really deserve to be. We've lost one game, away to Bayern.

If he can steer us through it all then he'll emerge stronger than ever.

I agree he is under major pressure if he gets rid of Tevez with the blessing of the owners then he will face another drama along the way what then?There was some very odd going onns on Tuesday, Sergio A, was so bad I wonder was this brewing before the game, YAYA was exposed to many times getting forward and jogging back, BARRY LOOKED ON HIS OWN, Fans blame him but for me egos were a factor, Nobody seems able to communicate to YAYA sit in we are under the cosh, Kolo went on one run and Glichy pointed at him as to say wtf are you on, he just does one, in fact that last 10 mins of the second half we looked like a collection of misfits, no leader no digging in, which has been overshadowed by the Tevez affair. We have spent money for the players to compete in games of that size, we can get beat at Bayern, many have and they are very good at what they do, the honest truth is one goal killed us and we never recovered, the half time whistle saved us from being smashed they missed 3 other chances. Mancini is in a fight now to establish himself with the squad again, He is right this would not happen at top clubs which we are not yet. I am sure Mark Hughes and Kia the cunt are pissing themselfs.

[Ted Hughes]

Imo, he's made a complete arse of the Champion's Lg games so far & has performed below the required level but I still want him to be allowed time to get it right & I back him in his dealings with the players. I think, unfortunately, that unlesss there's a huge change in our organisation, we're close to being knocked out of the Champion's Lg already & it's partly Bob's fault, but he can try again next year for me. He has no pedigree as a CL manager so it's a learning curve for him too. I want him to be allowed the time to learn.

It won't stop me moaning about his current performance in that competition though, which I think is totally crap.

[Crossie]

Oh god do we end up in the Uefa Cup again if we dont qualify?

[Beefymcfc]

Oh god do we end up in the Uefa Cup again if we dont qualify?

Isn't it if we finished 3rd?

I'd prefer to be last to be honest, not being arrogant or anything but I'd prefer to go for our domestic trophies. But I'm not thinking about that yet.

[Ted Hughes]

Oh god do we end up in the Uefa Cup again if we dont qualify?

Isn't it if we finished 3rd?

I'd prefer to be last to be honest, not being arrogant or anything but I'd prefer to go for our domestic trophies. But I'm not thinking about that yet.

I would agree with you but this squad is built on the idea of playing 3 games a week so we need the UEFA to keep the players sharp.

Still, we're not actually out of this one yet, & if Bob stops fucking about & sets us up properly to counter attack away from home, we could beat Valencia & Napoli. The problem we now have though, is that when we come to play Bayern & Napoli, they may not need to beat us. If they only need a draw, they can just sit back & pick us off. The rags would ordinarily try to counter that with crosses, but we don't 'do' crosses so we're fodder for being blocked down the middle, then broken on.

Anyhow we'll see but imo we have to play in the UEFA if we fuck this up.

[Hazy2]

The last two weeks ct City, CEO is bombed out, He and Tevez had no love for each other ! , New captain VK has Car company exposed as dodgy, Tevez has now pissed all over Mancini. What or who next, Carlos or Kia,it does seem all to easy to put 2 + 2 together I know, unless we get a very strong minded leader from the top, we could be going from one story to another. Maybe David Bernstein should be brought back to sack Carlos and advise all players and management of the objectives.

[Beefymcfc]

Oh god do we end up in the Uefa Cup again if we dont qualify?

Isn't it if we finished 3rd?

I'd prefer to be last to be honest, not being arrogant or anything but I'd prefer to go for our domestic trophies. But I'm not thinking about that yet.

I would agree with you but this squad is built on the idea of playing 3 games a week so we need the UEFA to keep the players sharp.

Still, we're not actually out of this one yet, & if Bob stops fucking about & sets us up properly to counter attack away from home, we could beat Valencia & Napoli. The problem we now have though, is that when we come to play Bayern & Napoli, they may not need to beat us. If they only need a draw, they can just sit back & pick us off. The rags would ordinarily try to counter that with crosses, but we don't 'do' crosses so we're fodder for being blocked down the middle, then broken on.

Anyhow we'll see but imo we have to play in the UEFA if we fuck this up.

Sorry Ted, but I fail to see how that has been proven. 3 games a week, I'm not to sure.

[Ted Hughes]

Oh god do we end up in the Uefa Cup again if we dont qualify?

Isn't it if we finished 3rd?

I'd prefer to be last to be honest, not being arrogant or anything but I'd prefer to go for our domestic trophies. But I'm not thinking about that yet.

I would agree with you but this squad is built on the idea of playing 3 games a week so we need the UEFA to keep the players sharp.

Still, we're not actually out of this one yet, & if Bob stops fucking about & sets us up properly to counter attack away from home, we could beat Valencia & Napoli. The problem we now have though, is that when we come to play Bayern & Napoli, they may not need to beat us. If they only need a draw, they can just sit back & pick us off. The rags would ordinarily try to counter that with crosses, but we don't 'do' crosses so we're fodder for being blocked down the middle, then broken on.

Anyhow we'll see but imo we have to play in the UEFA if we fuck this up.

Sorry Ted, but I fail to see how that has been proven. 3 games a week, I'm not to sure.

We have signed extra players to give us enough to play Champion's Lg. Without those games, we have a squad which is too big. There will be a full team of internationals sat on their arses every week, some not even making the sub's bench. We just can't have that; we MUST have these blokes playing games. A game every 3 weeks just isn't enough.

[Beefymcfc]

Oh god do we end up in the Uefa Cup again if we dont qualify?

Isn't it if we finished 3rd?

I'd prefer to be last to be honest, not being arrogant or anything but I'd prefer to go for our domestic trophies. But I'm not thinking about that yet.

I would agree with you but this squad is built on the idea of playing 3 games a week so we need the UEFA to keep the players sharp.

Still, we're not actually out of this one yet, & if Bob stops fucking about & sets us up properly to counter attack away from home, we could beat Valencia & Napoli. The problem we now have though, is that when we come to play Bayern & Napoli, they may not need to beat us. If they only need a draw, they can just sit back & pick us off. The rags would ordinarily try to counter that with crosses, but we don't 'do' crosses so we're fodder for being blocked down the middle, then broken on.

Anyhow we'll see but imo we have to play in the UEFA if we fuck this up.

Sorry Ted, but I fail to see how that has been proven. 3 games a week, I'm not to sure.

We have signed extra players to give us enough to play Champion's Lg. Without those games, we have a squad which is too big. There will be a full team of internationals sat on their arses every week, some not even making the sub's bench. We just can't have that; we MUST have these blokes playing games. A game every 3 weeks just isn't enough.

I don't disagree with you Ted, what I'm saying is that there's no evidence that 3 matches a week is keeping them sharp, or even happy. If it was a true rotation policy then I'd have thought the likes of Tevez and Milner would've had more game time so far to keep them ready for any game going. It's been mainly the same players week-in, week-out, apart from the Carling Cup, which makes you wonder why we need 2 teams.

[Ted Hughes]

I don't disagree with you Ted, what I'm saying is that there's no evidence that 3 matches a week is keeping them sharp, or even happy. If it was a true rotation policy then I'd have thought the likes of Tevez and Milner would've had more game time so far to keep them ready for any game going. It's been mainly the same players week-in, week-out, apart from the Carling Cup, which makes you wonder why we need 2 teams.

One look at Yaya Toure tells me why we need two teams. The bloke can only sprint once every ten minutes if he has to play more than one game per week. Bob is getting some of his selections wrong at the moment & needs to manage the squad better when everyone is fit.

I've been away; is Lescott injured now ?

[Beefymcfc]

I don't disagree with you Ted, what I'm saying is that there's no evidence that 3 matches a week is keeping them sharp, or even happy. If it was a true rotation policy then I'd have thought the likes of Tevez and Milner would've had more game time so far to keep them ready for any game going. It's been mainly the same players week-in, week-out, apart from the Carling Cup, which makes you wonder why we need 2 teams.

One look at Yaya Toure tells me why we need two teams. The bloke can only sprint once every ten minutes if he has to play more than one game per week. Bob is getting some of his selections wrong at the moment & needs to manage the squad better when everyone is fit.

I've been away; is Lescott injured now ?

And there's the crux of it. Yaya has been played every game when he clearly cannot compete in ths amount of games at the moment (is this why Barca put him in the back 4 at times?). Mancini hasn't even tried to mix things up, choosing to play the same style game after game only split by changing player like for like.

This, we need to improve.

[Kladze]

Well ......

Only here could a manager IN (let's show the club our support for him) thread be turned into a manager in/out/shake it all about thread.

Well done.