Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Here is the place to talk about all things city and football!

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:14 am

Beeks wrote:KIA on the Keys and Gray show this morning..wonder what bullshit he will come out with?


He will deny that Tevez has refused to play because of the legal consequences. City have apparently got plenty of witnesses though including Zabba, who has apparently already said in public that Tevez refused to play.

Imo, he has fucked up here because Tevez is thick. Mascherano did the same thing but stopped short of actually fully refusing to play when asked, more using 'not in the right frame of mind' etc.
The pissartist formerly known as Ted

VIVA EL CITY !!!

Some take the bible for what it's worth.. when they say that the rags shall inherit the Earth...
Well I heard that the Sheikh... bought Carlos Tevez this week...& you fuckers aint gettin' nothin..
Ted Hughes
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Colin Bell's Football Brain
 
Posts: 28488
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:28 pm
Supporter of: Bill Turnbull
My favourite player is: Bill Turnbull

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:19 am

Beeks wrote:KIA on the Keys and Gray show this morning..wonder what bullshit he will come out with?

I wonder if he's getting paid for it as he won't be getting anything from Tevez for 2 weeks.
In the words of my Old Man, "Life will never be the same without Man City, so get it in while you can".

The Future's Bright, The Future's Blue!!!
User avatar
Beefymcfc
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 46711
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:14 am
Supporter of: The Mighty Blues

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Slim » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:20 am

Has he been on yet?
Image
User avatar
Slim
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 30344
Joined: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:57 am
Location: Perth

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Goaters 103 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:26 am

Some voices of reason

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 62509.html

Henry Winter, as usual pretty on the ball with things at City - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... -club.html

Apologies if posted elsewhere.
User avatar
Goaters 103
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Joe Hart's 29 Clean Sheets
 
Posts: 5993
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:52 pm
Location: Manchester Born and Bred, City by the Grace of God

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:26 am

Slim wrote:Has he been on yet?

I've got it on and they've not mentioned anything about the slimey little cunt.
In the words of my Old Man, "Life will never be the same without Man City, so get it in while you can".

The Future's Bright, The Future's Blue!!!
User avatar
Beefymcfc
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 46711
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:14 am
Supporter of: The Mighty Blues

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Beeks » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:42 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
Slim wrote:Has he been on yet?

I've got it on and they've not mentioned anything about the slimey little cunt.


Tolmie the bluemoon ITK is saying the media is closing ranks and he can't get exposure anywhere

Make of that what you will
Image
User avatar
Beeks
Shaun Goater's 103 Goals
 
Posts: 7545
Joined: Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:43 am
Location: Leigh/South Stand 116
Supporter of: The Sky Blues
My favourite player is: Fernandinho

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby BobKowalski » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:57 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
Slim wrote:Has he been on yet?

I've got it on and they've not mentioned anything about the slimey little cunt.


Rule No.1 in these situations is get in front of the story and set the agenda. So far from the Tevez camp we've had a brief statement and then...nothing. From the City camp not much either but then the media are doing all the work for them (with, no doubt, some unofficial briefing from City) plus statements from FIFA and quotes from players in the papers etc, etc and 99% of it is crapping on Tevez.

Not that anyone is asking me but I would play the 'not fit mentally' card for all its worth including shots of Tevez with his underpants on his head, pencils up his nose and going 'wibble'. Short term it would save his arse but long term his employment prospects would be bleak.

That Kia hasn't been all over the media like a rash suggests he is on the back foot and Tevez's actions have taken him by surprise. He is going to have to come out fighting at some stage though and I can't see us getting through day 2 without some response.
BobKowalski
Richard Dunne's Own Goals
 
Posts: 936
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:07 pm

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby BobKowalski » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:02 am

Beeks wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
Slim wrote:Has he been on yet?

I've got it on and they've not mentioned anything about the slimey little cunt.


Tolmie the bluemoon ITK is saying the media is closing ranks and he can't get exposure anywhere

Make of that what you will


Possible but the media lives for this sort of shit. No way he can't get his story out even if its calling for a Press conference at 4.00 pm with his 'misunderstood' client. Media would be camped out for miles to show it.
BobKowalski
Richard Dunne's Own Goals
 
Posts: 936
Joined: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:07 pm

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:16 am

If FIFA are willing to back us, this could be a landmark case. We could, with FIFA backing, exempt his cost from the FFPR & drag him through court for as long as he wants to be there, eventually bankrupting the little cunt.
The pissartist formerly known as Ted

VIVA EL CITY !!!

Some take the bible for what it's worth.. when they say that the rags shall inherit the Earth...
Well I heard that the Sheikh... bought Carlos Tevez this week...& you fuckers aint gettin' nothin..
Ted Hughes
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Colin Bell's Football Brain
 
Posts: 28488
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:28 pm
Supporter of: Bill Turnbull
My favourite player is: Bill Turnbull

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Avalon » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:22 am

BobKowalski wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
Slim wrote:Has he been on yet?

I've got it on and they've not mentioned anything about the slimey little cunt.


Rule No.1 in these situations is get in front of the story and set the agenda. So far from the Tevez camp we've had a brief statement and then...nothing. From the City camp not much either but then the media are doing all the work for them (with, no doubt, some unofficial briefing from City) plus statements from FIFA and quotes from players in the papers etc, etc and 99% of it is crapping on Tevez.

Not that anyone is asking me but I would play the 'not fit mentally' card for all its worth including shots of Tevez with his underpants on his head, pencils up his nose and going 'wibble'. Short term it would save his arse but long term his employment prospects would be bleak.

That Kia hasn't been all over the media like a rash suggests he is on the back foot and Tevez's actions have taken him by surprise. He is going to have to come out fighting at some stage though and I can't see us getting through day 2 without some response.



Thank you for that Blackadder reference. I needed a laugh :)
Avalon
Balotelli's Fireworks Party
 
Posts: 811
Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:00 am
Supporter of: City

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby paddyblue » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:31 am

while i want tevez out and think his behaviour was deplorable i cant understand why the hacks are acting like it never happened at any other club, while they are asessing city's options with tevez why not check what other teams did in identical situations.
barcelona ( eto'o ) and real madrid ( morenties )
paddyblue
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
De Jong's Tackle
 
Posts: 1170
Joined: Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:04 pm

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby BlueinBosnia » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:36 am

Ted Hughes wrote:If FIFA are willing to back us, this could be a landmark case. We could, with FIFA backing, exempt his cost from the FFPR & drag him through court for as long as he wants to be there, eventually bankrupting the little cunt.


But isn't it only his wages taken into account, as everything else was spent before FFP?

Also, on this note, if we fire him, we won't be taking the 30-40m hit people are talking about on here, but around 17m, due to the fact we're saving around 8m per season in wages. Don't know if any compensation we receive from him through the courts would count as legitimate income, but I doubt it...
"Ferguson. Žvaka kurac."
(Ferguson. Chewing-gum cock.)
Old man in a bar in rural Bosnia.
User avatar
BlueinBosnia
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Paul Power's Tash
 
Posts: 10794
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:43 pm
Location: Sarajevo, BiH
Supporter of: Team Bridge

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:25 pm

Now I've seen it all from different angles, I think this is all going to come down to a miscommunication/stubborness problem.
In the words of my Old Man, "Life will never be the same without Man City, so get it in while you can".

The Future's Bright, The Future's Blue!!!
User avatar
Beefymcfc
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 46711
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:14 am
Supporter of: The Mighty Blues

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby saulman » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:29 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Now I've seen it all from different angles, I think this is all going to come down to a miscommunication problem.


How can it? To suggest that a player doesn't understand an instruction to either warm up or play is beyond ridiculous.

Tevez is paid an awful lot of money to do exactly what Mancini tells him. That's the bottom line.
Has the world gone mad, ..............or is it me?
User avatar
saulman
Donated to the site
Donated to the site
Dickov's Injury Time Equaliser
 
Posts: 4906
Joined: Fri May 25, 2007 8:59 am
Location: The Sticks

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Slim » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:33 pm

saulman wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Now I've seen it all from different angles, I think this is all going to come down to a miscommunication problem.


How can it? To suggest that a player doesn't understand an instruction to either warm up or play is beyond ridiculous.

Tevez is paid an awful lot of money to do exactly what Mancini tells him. That's the bottom line.


The line on Talksport who I believe were quoting a story in the Telegraph said that Mancini had instructed one of the coaches to tell Tevez to continue warming up, Tevez replied that he was already warmed up and ready to go on, the instruction was repeated and he said "Why should I? I have already warmed up".

The spin begins....I aint buying.
Image
User avatar
Slim
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 30344
Joined: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:57 am
Location: Perth

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby brite blu sky » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:37 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Now I've seen it all from different angles, I think this is all going to come down to a miscommunication/stubborness problem.


wtf! I'd stop reading about it if I were you.. seems to be eating away your brain capacity. Stick to talking football for a while till your head clears.
[center]Image[/center]
User avatar
brite blu sky
Dickov's Injury Time Equaliser
 
Posts: 4995
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:23 pm
Location: Barcelona

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:39 pm

Miscommunication my arse!

Zaba who is attempting to be the voice of reason in all this and was sitting a couple of feet from our no.32 had this to say "Carlos just didn't want to play,"
Foreverinbluedreams
Denis Law's Backheel
 
Posts: 9224
Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2011 8:34 pm
Supporter of: Euthanasia

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:14 pm

saulman wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Now I've seen it all from different angles, I think this is all going to come down to a miscommunication problem.


How can it? To suggest that a player doesn't understand an instruction to either warm up or play is beyond ridiculous.

Tevez is paid an awful lot of money to do exactly what Mancini tells him. That's the bottom line.

Because I'm trying to look at it from both perspectives, not just the closed view of 'He should be shot!', although, that's how I was feeling.

But seeing as you asked, here's another view. Carlos came back and was welcomed with near open arms by Bobby because of his professionalism and what he had done for the club prior to wanting away; it was a fresh start (ish). So, this season he gets himself checked into a clinic to lose some weight and turns up just needing to get up to fitness and settle back into the group. He gets on with that and seems to be doing well in training and finally reach the bench against Bolton, finishing with a 20 minute run and seeing the game out. He then misses out at the Spurs game and gets a recall for the Wigan game, going off at 1-0 up. Since then he's only started the CC and played cameo roles in the dying embers of the other games whilst in each one he's been out warming up ready for the nod from the manager.

Come the Bayern game, he's looked to the Fulham and Everton games and noted that he's not at the top of his game and believes this could be the one to prove he's still got what it takes, especially after Mancini publicly saying that he'll probably get the Bayern match. We all know that football players, especially top ones (even Edin's possibly getting one now), have big ego's and these can be bruised quite easily. Carlos gets told he is sub again and we're going for a similar formation that has won us games so although disconsulate that he doesn't get a game, he has to go with it as he knows he has no leg to stand on because of previous form.

The game gets underway and we do well for the first 20 mins or so and Edin should have spanked one into the back of the net, disappointing for all but eh, that's how it goes. During this, Tevez is warming up just in case he is needed, the goals go in and he's thinking we could be doing better with him on the pitch; maybe the 2nd half is his time.

During the break, they may have been told (only surmising) that if we don't improve then there'll be changes, possibly up front. The game gets underway and it gets worse and him and Nige are sent out to get warmed up, which they do with no hassle. Nige is called back over and gets the call for Dzeko (Carlos carries on warming up), rather than Carlos, which leaves Tevez quietly bubbling on the sidelines wondering what is going on (I'm sure most of us were thinking the same at the time although after a few seconds thought we'd probably twigged that he was shoring things up before the attacking change).

The next minute, Mancini barks for Tevez to get warmed up, again, to which Carlos snaps that he is already warmed up and ready to go whilst thinking that Mancini is taking the piss and his frustrations out on him - warm up, sit down, warm up, sit down. Basically saying that he is ready to go and that if Mancini really wants him to play, he'll put him on now with enough time to make a change to the scoreline. Mancini, who as already lost it by this time gets one of the lads to asks the physio (or whoever it was) to intervene and get him warming up, to which Carlos confirmed he was ready. Mancini is not having any of it and makes alternate changes and sits looking at the floor and the rest is history.

This is how I see it went and with the knowledge that he was chatting with the likes of Vieira et al, and after him making his statement, there could be call that this was the course of events. Yes, it was pathetic and childish for Tevez to not get up and do as he had been told, but prior experiences during the season have told him that he's not necessarily going to get on the pitch. And I do reckon that if he was told to get his jacket off, he would've done so without question but to get up and warm-up again to possibly sit down again was just a step to far. He tried to force the issue and it backfired, for all of us.

It's just a different perspective from what I've seen over the last couple of days. Only got to see the match last night and listened to it on the radio which didn't really have much to say about the incident until they got a brief from Sky, and that's when they dived on the back of it because our game was so dire.
In the words of my Old Man, "Life will never be the same without Man City, so get it in while you can".

The Future's Bright, The Future's Blue!!!
User avatar
Beefymcfc
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 46711
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:14 am
Supporter of: The Mighty Blues

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby brite blu sky » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:55 pm

Beefy are you losing the plot mate?

One classic way of people weedling out of an argument or a wrongdoing is to start questioning the finer details. The finer details in this case really dont matter, because a footballer knows that if the manager wants them to warm up, either to come on OR even to be SEEN warming up, they get on with it.

Ask yourself if you were paid even 20K a week would you pretend you didnt know what your boss was telling you, or claim you didn't need to write out that letter again as you had already done it ? NO you would just fucking do it.

The basic theme is that Carlos Fat Tevez does what the manager tells him to do, not what A Few Extra Pies over the Summer feels like doing. End of story. There is no other slant, detail, nuance, interpretation or subtlety of language required.

There are no excuses and no way of weedling out of this, he is toast. get over it.
[center]Image[/center]
User avatar
brite blu sky
Dickov's Injury Time Equaliser
 
Posts: 4995
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:23 pm
Location: Barcelona

Re: Mancini : Tevez refused to take to the field [merged]

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:09 pm

brite blu sky wrote:Beefy are you losing the plot mate?

One classic way of people weedling out of an argument or a wrongdoing is to start questioning the finer details. The finer details in this case really dont matter, because a footballer knows that if the manager wants them to warm up, either to come on OR even to be SEEN warming up, they get on with it.

Ask yourself if you were paid even 20K a week would you pretend you didnt know what your boss was telling you, or claim you didn't need to write out that letter again as you had already done it ? NO you would just fucking do it.

The basic theme is that Carlos Fat Tevez does what the manager tells him to do, not what A Few Extra Pies over the Summer feels like doing. End of story. There is no other slant, detail, nuance, interpretation or subtlety of language required.

There are no excuses and no way of weedling out of this, he is toast. get over it.

My post wasn't about Tevez somehow winging it and getting back on good terms. It also wasn't about somehow trying to back him up and put some sort of slant on it. It was about possibly why this all came about and why we are in this predicament now. In many people's eyes there is no way that Carlos Tevez can step foot in a Blue shirt again, and rightly so, but we still have the fact that he is a City player (a suspended one at that) and unless we find some legal right to sack him we're still going to pay his wages.

One thing that's got me on this is how 99% of all the media have backed us. Normally, they'd try to throw the shit at the club rather than the individual but in this case it is bigger than just our club, it affects football worldwide. They want us to set a precedent because we are a rich club and can afford it, the very opposite of what they would normally preach because of our wealth. Fortunately, we've not heard that fucktard Joorabchian since this all started and that's one thing I'm thankful for.
In the words of my Old Man, "Life will never be the same without Man City, so get it in while you can".

The Future's Bright, The Future's Blue!!!
User avatar
Beefymcfc
Anna Connell's Vision
 
Posts: 46711
Joined: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:14 am
Supporter of: The Mighty Blues

PreviousNext

Return to The Maine Football forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Hazy2 and 121 guests