Mancini IN !

[Rag_hater]

Ribery put in a world class performance against us its not that much of a shock he managed to beat a player and get a shot off.He probably would have done it to a match hardened defender let alone Kolo's dozy brother who mainly doesn't play as a defender.Bayen had 24 shots that night,how come they were not blocked?Was Yaya supposed to block all of them whilst playing in midfield.

As near as dammit yes. How do you think that you go about beating good teams ?

Ribery only had a good game after our midfield started to go awol, prior to that he looked ok but nothing special and not getting anywhere v Micah.

What's the point of having a defence if the midfield are supposed to snub out any danger before it gets to them.
And talking of Micah I think the first goal was as much his mistake as the rest of the defence regardless of Mr.Souness analysis which seems to be what some people are basing their opinions.
The initial ball came from an area that Micah and Silva were supposed to be defending.
The fact that Yaya was in that area suggests he would have had to run and we have been told that doesn't happen.

[brite blu sky]

Ribery put in a world class performance against us its not that much of a shock he managed to beat a player and get a shot off.He probably would have done it to a match hardened defender let alone Kolo's dozy brother who mainly doesn't play as a defender.Bayen had 24 shots that night,how come they were not blocked?Was Yaya supposed to block all of them whilst playing in midfield.

As near as dammit yes. How do you think that you go about beating good teams ?

Ribery only had a good game after our midfield started to go awol, prior to that he looked ok but nothing special and not getting anywhere v Micah.

What's the point of having a defence if the midfield are supposed to snub out any danger before it gets to them.
And talking of Micah I think the first goal was as much his mistake as the rest of the defence regardless of Mr.Souness analysis which seems to be what some people are basing their opinions.
The initial ball came from an area that Micah and Silva were supposed to be defending.
The fact that Yaya was in that area suggests he would have had to run and we have been told that doesn't happen.

There is only one sensible thing to say to that and you won't be liking it. If that statement sums up your understanding of football ( or any team sport for that matter ) then i suggest you don't make statements about what you think is going on or not going on. I'd suggest taking up watching tennis (not doubles mind) or better still ping pong.

[Beefymcfc]

I'm backing Bob 100% over Tevez & over his position to stay on & be supported as our manager but he made a right royal fucking mess of Tuesday night, with his team selection, tactics & substitutions. Having seen a rerun of the game, there was no sudden reason to bring on DeJong; Bayern hadn't increased pressure at all in that period. Dzeko was miles better than Aguero, who was fucking shite & should have been the one swapped for Tevez. Substitutions are one tiny thing though; the horse had bolted.

The selection of Kolo Toure ranked alongside the Boyata/Boateng selections v Arsenal last season (both are now out of the squad) as some of the shittyest, random, whimsical, stupid, fucking ridiculous bits of management I've ever seen; giving the team a new player & an extra problem to solve with a match starved player on the biggest night in our history. Absolutely fucking beyond belief.

A match hardened defender would have blocked Ribery's shot after Kolo's equally dozy brother allowed him to cut inside. His reactions were those of a player who isn't up to match sharpness.

Bob always makes his changes that way unless he has his hand forced through injury. First sub around 60-70 mins, second sub roughly 10 mins later, final sub held in reserve until the last few mins. I can't remember him making a double sub at the same time (unless he's had to through injury, maybe). I think his reasoning is to change one thing at a time, let it settle, then change the next thing.

The thing with the CL is that if points are drawn at the end of the stages they then go to games played against each other rather than goal difference. We were losing 2-0 chasing the game with 30 mins to go. A DM is not what you want, it's someone who can stick the ball in the onion bag.

Plan B shouldn't be limiting the opposition, it should be attacking them.

[Rag_hater]

Ribery put in a world class performance against us its not that much of a shock he managed to beat a player and get a shot off.He probably would have done it to a match hardened defender let alone Kolo's dozy brother who mainly doesn't play as a defender.Bayen had 24 shots that night,how come they were not blocked?Was Yaya supposed to block all of them whilst playing in midfield.

As near as dammit yes. How do you think that you go about beating good teams ?

Ribery only had a good game after our midfield started to go awol, prior to that he looked ok but nothing special and not getting anywhere v Micah.

What's the point of having a defence if the midfield are supposed to snub out any danger before it gets to them.
And talking of Micah I think the first goal was as much his mistake as the rest of the defence regardless of Mr.Souness analysis which seems to be what some people are basing their opinions.
The initial ball came from an area that Micah and Silva were supposed to be defending.
The fact that Yaya was in that area suggests he would have had to run and we have been told that doesn't happen.

There is only one sensible thing to say to that and you won't be liking it. If that statement sums up your understanding of football ( or any team sport for that matter ) then i suggest you don't make statements about what you think is going on or not going on. I'd suggest taking up watching tennis (not doubles mind) or better still ping pong.

Please let me know what the sensible thing is.
Because I thought once defending as a team or defending from the front(or whatever else you want to call it) has failed which happens in 99.9% of games IMO the last line of defence is the people in the team designated to do that job.The defenders.That as far as I know is why they are in the team.To protect the goal.
Feel free to enlighten me on where I am mistaken,you won't be the first.

[brite blu sky]

Please let me know what the sensible thing is.
Because I thought once defending as a team or defending from the front(or whatever else you want to call it) has failed which happens in 99.9% of games IMO the last line of defence is the people in the team designated to do that job.The defenders.That as far as I know is why they are in the team.To protect the goal.
Feel free to enlighten me on where I am mistaken,you won't be the first.

Like i'd said, I recommend ping pong if you are struggling with football.

[Rag_hater]

Please let me know what the sensible thing is.
Because I thought once defending as a team or defending from the front(or whatever else you want to call it) has failed which happens in 99.9% of games IMO the last line of defence is the people in the team designated to do that job.The defenders.That as far as I know is why they are in the team.To protect the goal.
Feel free to enlighten me on where I am mistaken,you won't be the first.

Like i'd said, I recommend ping pong if you are struggling with football.

Enlighten me.Please,I'd love to have explained to me what i'm missing.

[dazby]

The problem Ted was Micah. He was pushing forward at every opportunity which meant that if we turned over possession, which we did, Ribery had a clear path to goal and someone had to cover for him. Hence Dzeko giving away the clumsy free kick and the second goal.

[Ted Hughes]

The problem Ted was Micah. He was pushing forward at every opportunity which meant that if we turned over possession, which we did, Ribery had a clear path to goal and someone had to cover for him. Hence Dzeko giving away the clumsy free kick and the second goal.

If the problem was Micah going forward, how difficult is it for the manager to get a word to the fullback such as: " don't" ? Clearly he was operating to a plan which could have been changed or adapted at any time but wasn't. Also, when Micah is right up the pitch, what sort of fucking idiot CB, would then run 50 yards forward, past Franck Ribery, leaving only the searing pace of Gareth Barry between him & our goal ?

That last bit proves imo that Kolo Toure has no concept of his responsibility in such a system or understanding of his team mates' strengths & weaknesses, in spite of being sat on his arse watching them for 6 months. I was hoping he may come back a smarter player because of that, but his performance suggests otherwise.

[Slim]

The problem Ted was Micah. He was pushing forward at every opportunity which meant that if we turned over possession, which we did, Ribery had a clear path to goal and someone had to cover for him. Hence Dzeko giving away the clumsy free kick and the second goal.

If the problem was Micah going forward, how difficult is it for the manager to get a word to the fullback such as: " don't" ? Clearly he was operating to a plan which could have been changed or adapted at any time but wasn't. Also, when Micah is right up the pitch, what sort of fucking idiot CB, would then run 50 yards forward, past Franck Ribery, leaving only the searing pace of Gareth Barry between him & our goal ?

That last bit proves imo that Kolo Toure has no concept of his responsibility in such a system or understanding of his team mates' strengths & weaknesses, in spite of being sat on his arse watching them for 6 months. I was hoping he may come back a smarter player because of that, but his performance suggests otherwise.

I saw that too, was screaming "get the fuck back, get back, you fucking idiot" at the screen. Fullback forward, CENTREHALF covers. It was the move of an under 6's defender. Very disappointing.

[Hazy2]

The problem Ted was Micah. He was pushing forward at every opportunity which meant that if we turned over possession, which we did, Ribery had a clear path to goal and someone had to cover for him. Hence Dzeko giving away the clumsy free kick and the second goal.

If the problem was Micah going forward, how difficult is it for the manager to get a word to the fullback such as: " don't" ? Clearly he was operating to a plan which could have been changed or adapted at any time but wasn't. Also, when Micah is right up the pitch, what sort of fucking idiot CB, would then run 50 yards forward, past Franck Ribery, leaving only the searing pace of Gareth Barry between him & our goal ?

That last bit proves imo that Kolo Toure has no concept of his responsibility in such a system or understanding of his team mates' strengths & weaknesses, in spite of being sat on his arse watching them for 6 months. I was hoping he may come back a smarter player because of that, but his performance suggests otherwise.

I saw that too, was screaming "get the fuck back, get back, you fucking idiot" at the screen. Fullback forward, CENTREHALF covers. It was the move of an under 6's defender. Very disappointing.

for 30 mins all was well, however when they had the period of play we expected from them, we were found out, sorry to say it was Barca v Rags at times from 30 mins in, we were ambitious, maybe Mancini will have less on his plate and a clearer head in the future. on nights like that defenders must be solid and you need some luck and Joe Hart, had none, Munich got lucky with one or two. That is clutching at straws, in the end for me the better team won by a mile. Lets smash Blackburn

[Ted Hughes]

The problem Ted was Micah. He was pushing forward at every opportunity which meant that if we turned over possession, which we did, Ribery had a clear path to goal and someone had to cover for him. Hence Dzeko giving away the clumsy free kick and the second goal.

If the problem was Micah going forward, how difficult is it for the manager to get a word to the fullback such as: " don't" ? Clearly he was operating to a plan which could have been changed or adapted at any time but wasn't. Also, when Micah is right up the pitch, what sort of fucking idiot CB, would then run 50 yards forward, past Franck Ribery, leaving only the searing pace of Gareth Barry between him & our goal ?

That last bit proves imo that Kolo Toure has no concept of his responsibility in such a system or understanding of his team mates' strengths & weaknesses, in spite of being sat on his arse watching them for 6 months. I was hoping he may come back a smarter player because of that, but his performance suggests otherwise.

I saw that too, was screaming "get the fuck back, get back, you fucking idiot" at the screen. Fullback forward, CENTREHALF covers. It was the move of an under 6's defender. Very disappointing.

for 30 mins all was well, however when they had the period of play we expected from them, we were found out, sorry to say it was Barca v Rags at times from 30 mins in, we were ambitious, maybe Mancini will have less on his plate and a clearer head in the future. on nights like that defenders must be solid and you need some luck and Joe Hart, had none, Munich got lucky with one or two. That is clutching at straws, in the end for me the better team won by a mile. Lets smash Blackburn

Napoli had more situations to score than Bayern but fucked it up. Fulham & Bolton scored twice. The rags will do everything Bayern did in that game & much more. There was nothing in any of their goals that an Ashley Young or Rooney or Nani or Giggs doesn't do every week. If we'd played like that at Spurs, Gareth Bale would have killed us. Against Bayern (and Napoli) we were a mess when we lost the ball. If we defend the same at OT, we'll get buried the same, no scratch that; we'll get absolutely fucking obliterated. Last season, we showed at Anfield, Dynamo & Stamford Bridge, how we can fall apart as a team defensively. We showed it pre season v the rags. We also showed in the cup semi, (after half an hour at least) & in the final, that we can do it right. We need to start doing it right again. If we defend the same in the Prem, we will continue to need 3 goals to win away games.

Bayern & Napoli didn't give us the 3 goals. That's the biggest difference.

[kennyboy]

Isnt it strange that no city player has come out supporting Mancini with the Tevez insident?
Me thinks

[Ted Hughes]

Isnt it strange that no city player has come out supporting Mancini with the Tevez insident?
Me thinks

No. There is an internal enquiry. They will be under strict instructions not to say anything. Anyone who does will be in trouble.

[Green & Blue]

Isnt it strange that no city player has come out supporting Mancini with the Tevez insident?
Me thinks

Yes i expected them all to be holding interviews on the likes of ssn discussing the issue openly ;)

[Waz]

Well I think the fans were in good voice to back him during yesterday's game - and quite right too. You could hear them loud and clear on MOTD:

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