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Postby Chinners » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:00 am

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FRANNY BLASTS TEVEZ
Manchester City legend Francis Lee tells BBC Radio 5 live's Sportsweek that there is "no way back" for Carlos Tevez after his apparent refusal to play in their 2-0 Champions League defeat at Bayern Munich.
Lee describes the striker's behaviour as "unforgivable", and does not understand why he did not want to play in the "pinnacle" of the Champions League.
The former City chairman adds that Tevez and his agent have a "problem" and they cannot "mess Man City around". http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15137091.stm

Real Madrid consider swap deal for Manchester City misfit
Spanish giants Real Madrid are considering a player plus cash swap for Manchester City striker Carlos Tevez who according to the City manager Roberto Mancini, is “finished” at the club.
With City at the end of their tether for the wantaway Argentine, who was reported to have refused to play against Bayern Munich in their recent Champions League defeat, they are now prepared to listen to very much any serious offer in January with Real Madrid considering a small cash sum plus defensive midfielder and Germany international Sami Khedira.
The 24 year old is rumoured to a player that Madrid could be prepared to sell on in January and it is believed they would rather use him in exchange for Tevez than stomp up a larger transfer fee. The summer saw Manchester City looking for at least £40m for Tevez with both Real Madrid and Italian side Inter Milan interested.
Neither were prepared to match City’s estimation however and with the Manchester club now looking to get rid of Tevez as quickly as possible, it is likely they will accept something closer to £25m for the 27 year old. The player had previously suggested over the summer that he would prefer to head back to his native Argentina but with few sides in South America able to pay his wages, let alone the transfer fee, a move to either Spain or Italy does seem more realistic.
Should Manchester City and Real Madrid agree to a switch then there is likely to be more pressure on Real’s strikers with the club already having Benzema and Higuain on their books.
Although it is far too early to confirm a move to the Spanish capital will happen, it is certainly the most likely scenario for a player who no longer looks to be wanted in the English Premiership.

Alan Hansen: Manchester City outcast Carlos Tévez leaves a gap but manager Roberto Mancini must hold firm
There can be no doubt that Carlos Tévez is finished as a Manchester City player after his refusal to play against Bayern Munich on Tuesday, but his actions have also left the club and Roberto Mancini in an impossible situation.
Mancini is correct in taking strong action by saying Tévez will never play for him again and the only possible outcome at the end of the sorry saga will be City deciding to get rid of the player.
But aside from the unwanted distraction that Tévez has caused and the disharmony that his actions could lead to, he has also left City worryingly reliant on three forwards, none of whom can match the 27 year-old’s proven credentials in the Premier League.
When Sergio Agüero limped out of Saturday’s victory at Blackburn with a first-half groin injury, all of a sudden, City were left with only two strikers in Mario Balotelli and Edin Dzeko.
Even if Agüero’s injury proves, as expected, to be a short-term problem, Mancini must negotiate the next few months with only three strikers – or two strikers and a maybe when you consider Balotelli’s reliability.
City have to be lucky with injuries, loss of form and suspensions, but those things affect every club.
It has left Mancini and City in a Catch-22 situation. If they kiss and make up with Tévez and bring him back into the fold, it might help them win the title, but he has crossed the line so far on this occasion that City simply cannot allow themselves to give him another chance.
Enough is enough. City have bent over backwards to help Tévez in the past 12 months, when it has been obvious that he has wanted to be somewhere else.
The club have repeatedly allowed him to fly to Argentina to spend time with his family and given him every opportunity to make things work, but he has repaid them by refusing to come on as a substitute and there can be no place for that behaviour at any club.
Yes, City risk being left short of attacking options if they stick to their guns by making it clear that Tévez will not play for the club again, even if they run out of strikers.
But the way that Mancini and the owners deal with this situation will be a defining moment for the club and they have to get it right. Even if Tévez apologises to Mancini, his team-mates, the owner and the fans, I don’t see how he can play for City again.
How can he be trusted? If he didn’t want to play against Bayern, how do we know that he will want to play the next time he is picked as a substitute?
His actions have led to an internal investigation at City, which has provided another distraction that Mancini and the players could do without.
If Tévez was only half-popular among his team-mates, they are not going to drop him in it by telling the club what he said or how he said it.
Expecting a player to “grass” on another would be putting them in an unbelievably difficult situation and, even if they knew what had gone on, I cannot imagine any player talking about it.
But whichever way you look at the situation, it is Tévez’s fault. He is the only one who is culpable for what happened in Munich.
How can a player misunderstand that the manager wants him to go on as a substitute? It just does not ring true.
It was an idiotic thing to do and I have no sympathy for Tévez. The whole episode seemed almost
pre-conceived and anything but a spur-of-the-moment thing.
City simply have to be ruthless. If they allow Tévez back, it might solve a manpower problem in the short term, but it would be a huge mistake in the long run because of the image it would give the club.
It would totally and utterly detract from what they are trying to do at Eastlands and take yet more focus away from what is happening on the pitch.
City are joint-top of the Premier League, but the headlines being generated by the club are a distraction and, eventually, that kind of negativity will have an effect.
Mancini must be careful to ensure that it does not spill over and affect performances on the pitch, but however difficult a situation Tévez has put the club in, there really is only one course of action open to City.

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OTHER BOLLOX
Under-fire Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is reportedly planning a move for Ajax pair Jan Vertonghen and Christian Eriksen in the January transfer window. Caughtoffside

Spanish side Valencia are thought to be ready to to reignite their interest in Manchester United's out-of-favour forward Dimitar Berbatov. Footybunker

Barcelona boss Pep Guardiola is rumoured to be monitoring Arsenal goalkeeper Wojciech Szczesny. Caughtoffside

Arsenal, Newcastle, Manchester City and Tottenham are all interested in signing French teenager M'Baye Niang, 16, from Caen according to reports in France. Footie-online

Bolton are tracking Bordeaux striker Cheick Diabate and could make a move for the 23-year-old Mali international in January. Inside Futbol

Spurs playmaker Luka Modric is reportedly close to signing a six-figure weekly pay deal to keep him at the club until at least 2015. Footybunker

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger was branded "two bob" by Tottenham coach Clive Allen following Spurs 2-1 win in the north London derby on Sunday. Allen claims Wenger "refused to shake his hand", before adding: "He says he didn't see me or hear me, but he's two bob he is, two bob." Daily Star

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger believes the Gunners will emerge from their poor start to the season as a stronger team. talkSHIT

Blackburn manager Steve Kean insists he will continue to have the backing of club owners Venky's when he meets them this week. Daily Mirror

Bolton manager Owen Coyle believes Hungarian goalkeeper Adam Bogdan will learn from his mistakes during the 5-1 defeat by Chelsea. talkSHIT

A Spanish referee has become a La Liga legend after slide tackling Sergio Canales during Valencia's 1-0 win over Granada. Metro

Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere has described Glenn Hoddle as "the most biased pundit around" after the Gunners were beaten by Spurs in the north London derby. Metro

Mercurial QPR playmaker Adel Taarabt stormed off after being substituted at half-time in the disastrous 6-0 defeat at Fulham, then waited outside the ground for a bus. Daily Mirror

QPR's Joey Barton has urged Sky not to select his team for Sunday matches so he does not have to watch X Factor on Saturday evenings, which he claims is ruining his credibility. Metro

Following his successful hair transplant, Manchester United and England striker Wayne Rooney has had his enhanced thatch dyed. Daily Mirror
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:38 am

Cheers chinners.

If we allow Tevez to go to any decent club just so we can salvage a few extra quid, we are as shallow & worthless as him. He cannot be allowed to win this one. If he signs for Real or Inter, he & his cunt of an advisor have shafted us right up the arse.

We are a bunch of fucking mugs if we let him do this & are imo 'ruining football' as people say we are. To let cunts like that walk over us would be a disgrace to the game imo & we owe it to the game to make an example of this piece of shit. Everyone is watching us. Don't be a bunch of fucking suits balancing the books; fight for what is left of the integrity of the game.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Chinners » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:46 am

Totally agree Ted. They'll be tons of stories like this coming out mind
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:14 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Cheers chinners.

If we allow Tevez to go to any decent club just so we can salvage a few extra quid, we are as shallow & worthless as him. He cannot be allowed to win this one. If he signs for Real or Inter, he & his cunt of an advisor have shafted us right up the arse.

We are a bunch of fucking mugs if we let him do this & are imo 'ruining football' as people say we are. To let cunts like that walk over us would be a disgrace to the game imo & we owe it to the game to make an example of this piece of shit. Everyone is watching us. Don't be a bunch of fucking suits balancing the books; fight for what is left of the integrity of the game.

Calm down Sir, it's not called the Bollox thread for nothing.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Patrick » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:46 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Cheers chinners.

If we allow Tevez to go to any decent club just so we can salvage a few extra quid, we are as shallow & worthless as him. He cannot be allowed to win this one. If he signs for Real or Inter, he & his cunt of an advisor have shafted us right up the arse.

We are a bunch of fucking mugs if we let him do this & are imo 'ruining football' as people say we are. To let cunts like that walk over us would be a disgrace to the game imo & we owe it to the game to make an example of this piece of shit. Everyone is watching us. Don't be a bunch of fucking suits balancing the books; fight for what is left of the integrity of the game.


The thing that pisses me off more and more each time I think about it is that unless FIFA suspend him from playing, the cunt wins.

Even if FIFA ban him, we lose, but at least some justice will have been served

Otherwise he gets to leave, he gets a huge signing on bonus if he is cheap or free and we lose money every way possible.

Even if we held onto his contract and had him cleaning the public shitters, we would have to pay his salary and lose even more

Will he be have highest paid gardening leave in history?

It sickens me that by committing the biggest cardinal sin in football, we are the only ones that get stuffed

And where are his beloved Corinthians in all this..... Carlos on the cheap but not a peep from them
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:56 am

As I've said before; we should use all the evidence required, including the lip reading stuff, the interview after the game, take it to FIFA, ask them to wipe the equivalent of his transfer fee off the FFPR in liue of us winning it back in court as it's a special case, then sack him for breach of contract, at which point FIFA should ban him. Then we should sue him for the transfer fee, breach of contract, damages & any other things we can think of, if neccessary, keep him in court for the next ten years, as long as it takes. No out of court settlements.

Fuck him, like he's tried to fuck us. We can win this case, he hasn't got a fucking leg to stand on; he admitted it on tv FFS. If it was a murder trial, he'd get the fucking chair. Let's have the cunt.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Patrick » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:57 am

Also, whilst I'm angry,


WHERE THE FUCL WAS MR TOLD YOU SO HIMSELF DURING THIS WHOLE SAGA.

Nostradamus Quilted Disco Pants has foretold of every playing staff faux pas since our beloved club started in 1880, but on this, perhaps the biggest player related fucl up, not a dicky.

Face it KK and WW it wasn't hard, ex rag, caused problems at every other club, been causing it here for well over a year, it was pretty simple to foretell, NQDP is a fraud, a sleight of hand merchant, a charlatan no less.

I personally foretell that in 3 months time, he will find a thread that says we must get rid now, he is a no good rag

He needs to be suspended at the very least and made to explain himself
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Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:57 am

Patrick wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Cheers chinners.

If we allow Tevez to go to any decent club just so we can salvage a few extra quid, we are as shallow & worthless as him. He cannot be allowed to win this one. If he signs for Real or Inter, he & his cunt of an advisor have shafted us right up the arse.

We are a bunch of fucking mugs if we let him do this & are imo 'ruining football' as people say we are. To let cunts like that walk over us would be a disgrace to the game imo & we owe it to the game to make an example of this piece of shit. Everyone is watching us. Don't be a bunch of fucking suits balancing the books; fight for what is left of the integrity of the game.


The thing that pisses me off more and more each time I think about it is that unless FIFA suspend him from playing, the cunt wins.

Even if FIFA ban him, we lose, but at least some justice will have been served

Otherwise he gets to leave, he gets a huge signing on bonus if he is cheap or free and we lose money every way possible.

Even if we held onto his contract and had him cleaning the public shitters, we would have to pay his salary and lose even more

Will he be have highest paid gardening leave in history?

It sickens me that by committing the biggest cardinal sin in football, we are the only ones that get stuffed

And where are his beloved Corinthians in all this..... Carlos on the cheap but not a peep from them

And this is why I think some understanding will be what comes out of it all. Whether we give him a 6 week fine and send him on gardening leave, or put him under the psychiatric nurse, I can see us trying to work something so we get some recompense. Otherwise, if we take it down the legal route we could end up losing out massively for the short term but possibly making global gains in the long term.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:00 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
Patrick wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Cheers chinners.

If we allow Tevez to go to any decent club just so we can salvage a few extra quid, we are as shallow & worthless as him. He cannot be allowed to win this one. If he signs for Real or Inter, he & his cunt of an advisor have shafted us right up the arse.

We are a bunch of fucking mugs if we let him do this & are imo 'ruining football' as people say we are. To let cunts like that walk over us would be a disgrace to the game imo & we owe it to the game to make an example of this piece of shit. Everyone is watching us. Don't be a bunch of fucking suits balancing the books; fight for what is left of the integrity of the game.


The thing that pisses me off more and more each time I think about it is that unless FIFA suspend him from playing, the cunt wins.

Even if FIFA ban him, we lose, but at least some justice will have been served

Otherwise he gets to leave, he gets a huge signing on bonus if he is cheap or free and we lose money every way possible.

Even if we held onto his contract and had him cleaning the public shitters, we would have to pay his salary and lose even more

Will he be have highest paid gardening leave in history?

It sickens me that by committing the biggest cardinal sin in football, we are the only ones that get stuffed

And where are his beloved Corinthians in all this..... Carlos on the cheap but not a peep from them

And this is why I think some understanding will be what comes out of it all. Whether we give him a 6 week fine and send him on gardening leave, or put him under the psychiatric nurse, I can see us trying to work something so we get some recompense. Otherwise, if we take it down the legal route we could end up losing out massively for the short term but possibly making global gains in the long term.


If we compromise with this cunt for the sake of money, we are as bad as him. We can get our money by doing it the hard way. Nail his fucking hat on. Show some balls.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Avalon » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:03 am

I agree with Ted here. Get him banned by FIFA for the remainder of his contract and take him to court. Chelsea did a similar thing with Mutu, so there's definitely possibilities here.
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Postby Chinners » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:06 am

Proving that a player took drugs is far easier than proving a player "didn't want to play" .... but I agree, if we can and have the Gary Cook bottle to do it, then we should.
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Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:07 am

I think everyone wants him gone but when you've got a monetary value and laws on freedom of trade then I'm afraid it may not be such an easy decision for the club.

He'll probably be in the starting line-up against Wolves.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:41 am

Chinners wrote:Proving that a player took drugs is far easier than proving a player "didn't want to play" .... but I agree, if we can and have the Gary Cook bottle to do it, then we should.


He's admitted it on television though.

Imagine someone shoots somebody in the head, then half an hour later goes on tv saying "I felt like shooting him in the head, so I shot him in the head' his boss says he asked him at the time & he said "I shot him in the head" lip readers read his lips saying " I shot him in the head & I don't care"

Would he go to fucking trial or not ? The very idea of not prosecuting this is beyond fucking belief & only happens in the money grabbing fucked up world of football, wher these cunts can get away with anything because of their monetary value.

NAIL THE CUNT.

Edit: and that goes for American Football too. Only this time, we could afford to have OJ Simpson's lawyers working for us.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby dave watson's perm » Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:47 am

City Will Reach Tevez Compromise
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LONDON: Leading sports lawyer Simon Pentol believes Manchester City will eventually reach a compromise with suspended striker Carlos Tevez to avoid possible litigation. City have banned the player for up to two weeks pending an investigation into his conduct after manager Roberto Mancini said the Argentine refused to go on as a substitute during the 2-0 Champions League defeat at Bayern Munich on Tuesday. "My gut feeling is they will find a short-term compromise with a long-term view of moving him on which would save City and Tevez the embarrassment of having to litigate and keep everyone financially happy," Pentol told Reuters in an interview. "It wouldn't surprise me to see City keep him until the end of the season and while he's there they will engage with his representatives to move him on to a club that will pay them a big fat transfer fee come next August, or even in January. "They will then have the money for him, he can go and join someone else and everyone keeps their honour because that's the most sensible, pragmatic way to approach this."

Pentol likened the situation to the legal dispute between City's Premier League rivals Chelsea and Adrian Mutu after the Romania striker tested positive for cocaine in 2004. Chelsea decided Mutu's failure to pass a drugs test represented a breach of contract. They sacked the player and took him to court. The London club was eventually awarded 14.1 million British pounds (21.9 million US dollars) to cover the cost of buying Mutu, plus the lost opportunity of recouping a transfer fee from moving him to another club minus the money they would no longer have to pay for his wages. Pentol, who has represented clubs and players for several years in disputes and regulatory affairs, said the Tevez row was more complex than the Mutu situation.

Pentol explained, "In Mutu's case there was firstly a very clear breach of the morality clause, i.e., a player being found with drugs in his system.” "Secondly there would have been almost certainly a specific clause in his contract that you do not take drugs, performance-enhancing, social or otherwise, and Mutu also didn't try to pretend there hadn't been a breach of contract to justify termination of his deal. "The key difference is Tevez would want to argue he didn't breach his contract and he would argue City breached the contract by using the events of last Tuesday to get him out of the club."

Ultimately, Pentol said, it could be that Tevez emerges from the situation in a stronger position than his manager. "As I understand if Tevez has a very good relationship with Sheikh Mansour and the club owner's representatives and it may, in truth, make the player more powerful than Mancini," said Pentol.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:18 am

dave watson's perm wrote:City Will Reach Tevez Compromise

"The key difference is Tevez would want to argue he didn't breach his contract and he would argue City breached the contract by using the events of last Tuesday to get him out of the club."

"As I understand if Tevez has a very good relationship with Sheikh Mansour and the club owner's representatives and it may, in truth, make the player more powerful than Mancini," said Pentol.

I honestly don't see Mansour backing Tevez on this one but I do think the way Mancini went about it after the game left a gaping hole in our bargaining chip. He was emotional and basically stated that he could not play for us again, which was a mistake. He should have sought council and done what he needed to behind closed doors thus allowing the people in the know to put Carlos to the sword.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby BobKowalski » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:35 am

Beefymcfc wrote:
dave watson's perm wrote:City Will Reach Tevez Compromise

"The key difference is Tevez would want to argue he didn't breach his contract and he would argue City breached the contract by using the events of last Tuesday to get him out of the club."

"As I understand if Tevez has a very good relationship with Sheikh Mansour and the club owner's representatives and it may, in truth, make the player more powerful than Mancini," said Pentol.

I honestly don't see Mansour backing Tevez on this one but I do think the way Mancini went about it after the game left a gaping hole in our bargaining chip. He was emotional and basically stated that he could not play for us again, which was a mistake. He should have sought council and done what he needed to behind closed doors thus allowing the people in the know to put Carlos to the sword.


In fairness I reckon Mancini was quite restrained as his preferred course of action would have been to rip Tevez's face off and wear it as a mask whilst beating him to pulp with a nightstick to the accompaniment of the the Champions League Anthem on his iPod. It would have been glorious.

As for the article I do think an agreement will be reached - even Mancini is said to favour a quick sale in Jan rather than sacking or terminating Tevez's contract (assuming you can believe media reports) but the Sheikh Mansour relationship bit is bollocks and probably stems from that interview Tevez gave where he slagged off executives at City and claimed to have a special hotline to Mansour and chatted on a regular basis or some other deluded nonsense.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby mcfc1632 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:39 am

At the risk of this becoming a Tevez thread...............

(On the assumption) that all I have heard about the Tuesday night situation is accurate (I was Oktoberfested for a while so did not get sight of info 1st hand) - I have tried to work out a situation in which Tevez would not be a winner............it is really hard which seems incredible, but you can see the fabrications starting with the line obviously being ....I was ready to go on and never said I would not - just said no to more warming up as I was ready.

The only scenario I can see where he would lose would be an FIFA ban - which appears not even a remote possibility, so......

1/ - we sack him

He gets a signing on fee elsewhere as he will have saved the club a fee - and his wages - and he probably successfully sues us

2/ We transfer him in January - much the same outcome as 1/ as he has made sure there will be a small market and a much reduced fee

etc etc on almost every scenario

Silly as it sounds the only way I can see us 'winning' (clearly the wrong term) is if we take it very carefully, do nothing rash that could constitute constructive dismissal - be willing to 'write-off' all associated costs - fees and wages and just keep him in the squad but given our good performances he does not get selected.

I know that this is impractical - but if we make him see out his contract in a manner that fucks him but such that he cannot accuse us of constructive dismissal etc then at the ned he will be too old to get the last big contract / sign-on fee for Kia and himself (which he is so obviously seeking) - along the way he will commit several / many transgressions that will allow us to impose several 2 week fines. At the point he then walks out (likely) then we are able to sue him (Chelsea/Mutu style) having made sure all the blame lies with him in a court of law (not currently the case (IMO))

I said it was impractical (and it is), but I can see the club playing this with (some form of) a pretty 'straight bat' making sure the audit trail does not leave CITY exposed - whilst privately Khaldoon (with the owner's blessing) seeking to get some revenge served cold!!
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x

Postby freshie » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:57 am

Chinners wrote:Arsenal midfielder Jack Wilshere has described Glenn Hoddle as "the most biased pundit around" after the Gunners were beaten by Spurs in the north London derby. Metro


He's right about that

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Re: Monday's B*ll*x (updated)

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:08 pm

"As I understand if Tevez has a very good relationship with Sheikh Mansour and the club owner's representatives and it may, in truth, make the player more powerful than Mancini," said Pentol.

Who is this cunt Pentol ?

That's not a fucking neutral view, it's a City hating or bullshit fucking Kia Joorabchian mouthpiece type view. HRH will back Tevez ? My fucking hairy arse he will. Utter utter lies & shite.
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Re: Monday's B*ll*x (updated)

Postby Avalon » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:47 pm

I'm also pleased to see Alan Hansen backing us up. I hate that motherfuckler.
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