Tevez v Bob

[dick dastardley]

tevez fucking off to corned beef land show a total disrespect for the club and what ever the outcome i never want to see his ugly mug anywhere near the club ever again

[Crossie]

Now I've read most of the posts on this topic and to say we have a fairly uniform viewpoint amongst fans is quite understated.
However Bob may well have said something quite rash after the Bayern game. . Essentially he made it a "him or me" issue. Was that really that wise from the clubs point of view?

It was very wise from the manager's point of view. Tevez has been a thorn in his side for absolutely ages and was, in all probability, creating much tension behind the scenes and in the dressing room.
Assuming Tevez goes or is pushed, Mancini's authority goes up a fucking big notch.

I know there are lots of facets to this argument to take into account, but if you strip it back to the basics, is our "Tevez must die on a rusty nail" stance, all that wise?

Yes

Put simply, a manager who has been far from convincing or a genuine proven world class striker? Which is harder to replace?

Why would you want to replace that twat?

Also, would it be so bad if he played for us again?

Yes

If you accept that modern footballers are a mercenary bunch of greedy fuckers, going where the money is, then Tevez is just one more. Admittedly, pretty near the top of the list of culprits, but essentially not that much different. Personally, I reckon if he whacked in a hatrick here and there, plus shoved a couple up Bacon Face, he'd be more or less forgiven by the majority. We're a fickle bunch.

I will NEVER forgive him. I wouldn't even contemplate cheering if he scored the winning goal in the ECL final to be honest.

Everything you said mate.

[Feed The Goat]

Is it acceptable for our manager to back us into a corner, probably costing us millions in a transfer fee, by saying something so final in the heat of the moment?
But I digress.
I'm suggesting that if you simply ask the question, who is harder to replace, Tevez or Bob?
I suspect that Carlito might just squeak it.

Tevez has been replaced by sergio so on that score I'd say it's not hard to replace Tevez.

Now replacing bob considering at this moment in time only one manager in this country is above him in the league Table and I take it we dont want him then I recon it's hard to replace him.

So to summarise get rid of an already replaced player on a mil a month or an FA cup winning champions league qualifying manager? I know what id chose

[Slim]

Is it acceptable for our manager to back us into a corner, probably costing us millions in a transfer fee, by saying something so final in the heat of the moment?
But I digress.
I'm suggesting that if you simply ask the question, who is harder to replace, Tevez or Bob?
I suspect that Carlito might just squeak it.

Tevez has been replaced by sergio so on that score I'd say it's not hard to replace Tevez.

Now replacing bob considering at this moment in time only one manager in this country is above him in the league Table and I take it we dont want him then I recon it's hard to replace him.

So to summarise get rid of an already replaced player on a mil a month or an FA cup winning champions league qualifying manager? I know what id chose

Bit misleading there, you say there is only one manager ahead of us in this country, yet we didn't replace Tevez with a player in this country. I think that may have been harder.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

The question about Mancini for me has always been his man management skills and I still feel it's a weakness.In isolation where he has taken a stance against a player,or seemed to, it has looked justifiable.Partly given the person involved (Bellamy,Nedum,Ade,Tevez etc) and partly the circumstances but I am never that sure whether the circumstances could have been avoided.

It is important for a manager to be strong,which Mancini clearly is, but that should not necessarily mean winning confrontations all the time.Maybe it's as important if not more important to avoid confrontations in the first place.Having said that there should only be one winner in this situation between Mancini and Tevez and I cannot see how Tevez could or should play for the club again.

Exactly how this situation does get resolved I don't know but I feel sure the owners will back Mancini.That said I also expect they will be talking to him seriously about how and why all this has come about including how he handled it at the time and in the immediate aftermath in Munich.

[daveh1962]

The issue is that Mancini could NEVER allow Tevez to be near the side because how could he trust him again.

So by stating he said he will never play for City he is just stating the obvious. There was no confrontation Tevez was asked to do something he refused therefore he has broken the trust of his manager and he cannot regain that because how could Mancini be sure that he wouldnt do the same thing again

Just because he hasnt been picked. Well on current form who would any of us drop for Tevez at this time. Balo has shown that by waiting for his chance he now has an opportunity to start and so it will be that is the nature of rotation

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Personally I'm shocked that he didn't TWAT him in the heat of the moment. I probably would've. I've been in situation in work where someone refused to do something just to prove his point and I really wanted to twat him. really did. However I kept my calm in the situation and used all my connections afterwards to make his working career from now on as miserable as possible. And no, it wasn't something minor.

Mancini acted 100% right way and showed fantastic approach to keep his nerve in that situation.

Good player or not, there HAS to be line somewhere.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Personally I'm shocked that he didn't TWAT him in the heat of the moment. I probably would've. I've been in situation in work where someone refused to do something just to prove his point and I really wanted to twat him. really did. However I kept my calm in the situation and used all my connections afterwards to make his working career from now on as miserable as possible. And no, it wasn't something minor.

Mancini acted 100% right way and showed fantastic approach to keep his nerve in that situation.

Good player or not, there HAS to be line somewhere.

I really do understand that emotion, but....
We were making our stand with other clubs trying to get him on the cheap. £50m if a European club wanted him.
After Munich we will be lucky to get 20m. That one statement has cost us between 20 and 30 million squiddlies. We might be able to afford it, but when it comes to balancing the books for Mr Platini, it leaves a bloody big hole. Plus one striker down in the squad.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Personally I'm shocked that he didn't TWAT him in the heat of the moment. I probably would've. I've been in situation in work where someone refused to do something just to prove his point and I really wanted to twat him. really did. However I kept my calm in the situation and used all my connections afterwards to make his working career from now on as miserable as possible. And no, it wasn't something minor.

Mancini acted 100% right way and showed fantastic approach to keep his nerve in that situation.

Good player or not, there HAS to be line somewhere.

I really do understand that emotion, but....
We were making our stand with other clubs trying to get him on the cheap. £50m if a European club wanted him.
After Munich we will be lucky to get 20m. That one statement has cost us between 20 and 30 million squiddlies. We might be able to afford it, but when it comes to balancing the books for Mr Platini, it leaves a bloody big hole. Plus one striker down in the squad.

No one was going to spend 50m on him. That became clear. There simply wasn't anyone with that sort of money (that's two or three clubs in the world) who was or is interested of him.

I agree that we need to get rid of him for good money and I did agree in summer with holding out for something like 40m but it is clear now that he has quit on us so his value will plummet no matter what Mancini or anyone in the club does. May I also remind that everyone thought that he'd be professional for us until we find suitable buyer. I mean, isn't that his mantra "I have always been professional and give my everything on the pitch". Quite.

[Ted Hughes]

It's true that Bob has no real 'man management' skills apart from 'do as you're told'. I can see how some temperamental players may find that difficult to accept & may feel they need to move on. Tevez however doesn't want to move because of Bob or because of his family; he & his 'advisor' are trying to make even more money. Bob has actually tried to 'man manage' Tevez & was ready to let him leave if & when the right offer came in. None have come in, so Tevez has decided to make himself unusable by City; so we have to let him go on the cheap & then he gets his money. He is a cunt. Bob should have kicked him.

[Hazy2]

IMO, He will train with Corinthians, Sale completed in Dec Jan.

[MR IMAINEROAD]

Ah a slow news week...


I wonder what Brian Clough would have done.
And how hard.

[ashton287]

Oh and not replacing world class players is nearly always a mistake.

We replaced tevez in the summer with a younger, faster, more skillful, better finishing, better passing, better looking and a shit load more professional version. He's called aguero or something like that.

Bob couldn't just sit there and take that shit, he has to be the law. Otherwise he fails and if he fails the club fails for another season. To establish ourselves as a big club that will challenge for trophies every year we need to stick with a manager for a good few years and im happy for that man to be bobby.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I wonder what Brian Clough would have done.
And how hard.

Exactly.

He would've had none of this bullshit and kicked Tevez arse to orbit.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I wonder what Brian Clough would have done.
And how hard.

Exactly.

He would've had none of this bullshit and kicked Tevez arse to orbit.

Different age though.
Sadly it aint like that now.

And yes we have Aguero, but without Tevez we are still one striker light.

[Ted Hughes]

I wonder what Brian Clough would have done.
And how hard.

Exactly.

He would've had none of this bullshit and kicked Tevez arse to orbit.

Different age though.
Sadly it aint like that now.

And yes we have Aguero, but without Tevez we are still one striker light.

This is true, but we were still one striker light with him. He hasn't been fit this season & hasn't been worth a shirt.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I wonder what Brian Clough would have done.
And how hard.

Exactly.

He would've had none of this bullshit and kicked Tevez arse to orbit.

Different age though.
Sadly it aint like that now.

And yes we have Aguero, but without Tevez we are still one striker light.

This is true, but we were still one striker light with him. He hasn't been fit this season & hasn't been worth a shirt.

I thought he looked v good with Aguero v Wigan

[BobbyJ1956]

Mancini is a decent and intelligent man. Tevez is neither. OK, don't hold being thick against him, just the lack of decency. I'm glad Mancini made it simple. Graham Souness made it simple when he said Tevez sums up what the man in the street thinks is wrong with modern footballers, and as others have said Brian Clough would have made it simple too. Sack the fucker.

[Ted Hughes]

I wonder what Brian Clough would have done.
And how hard.

Exactly.

He would've had none of this bullshit and kicked Tevez arse to orbit.

Different age though.
Sadly it aint like that now.

And yes we have Aguero, but without Tevez we are still one striker light.

This is true, but we were still one striker light with him. He hasn't been fit this season & hasn't been worth a shirt.

I thought he looked v good with Aguero v Wigan

He's fluffed every chance that's come his way including a penalty. It's not just the fact he missed them, it's the half arsed weak undecisive attempts he made which would have been the problem. He desperately needed a goal, just to be a consideration as a regular starter. Everyone else is knocking them in left right and centre. He had lost his mojo & there's no telling how long it would have taken before he got it back & before the inevitable turd in the pocket. As it turned out; he never had any intention of doing it anyway, so therefore, he has been wasting a shirt since the start of the season.

[BobKowalski]

Personally I'm shocked that he didn't TWAT him in the heat of the moment. I probably would've. I've been in situation in work where someone refused to do something just to prove his point and I really wanted to twat him. really did. However I kept my calm in the situation and used all my connections afterwards to make his working career from now on as miserable as possible. And no, it wasn't something minor.

Mancini acted 100% right way and showed fantastic approach to keep his nerve in that situation.

Good player or not, there HAS to be line somewhere.

I really do understand that emotion, but....
We were making our stand with other clubs trying to get him on the cheap. £50m if a European club wanted him.
After Munich we will be lucky to get 20m. That one statement has cost us between 20 and 30 million squiddlies. We might be able to afford it, but when it comes to balancing the books for Mr Platini, it leaves a bloody big hole. Plus one striker down in the squad.

No one was going to spend 50m on him. That became clear. There simply wasn't anyone with that sort of money (that's two or three clubs in the world) who was or is interested of him.

I agree that we need to get rid of him for good money and I did agree in summer with holding out for something like 40m but it is clear now that he has quit on us so his value will plummet no matter what Mancini or anyone in the club does. May I also remind that everyone thought that he'd be professional for us until we find suitable buyer. I mean, isn't that his mantra "I have always been professional and give my everything on the pitch". Quite.

Agreed. The idea that Mancini cost us £30m in transfer fee is only valid if there was actually someone willing to pay in excess of £40m for Tevez. No one was remotely interested at that price and the only way we would have shifted him was at a significantly lower value. With hindsight this is what we should have done. We didn't and it blew up in our face so lets now deal with it and move on.