Foreign Satellite Decoders Allowed In Pubs

[Ted Hughes]

It's not just about the effect it would have on attendances at the games shown live & the PL, it's about the effect it could have on the whole of the football programme in this country; on attendances in every league down to non league.

It was all discussed when the idea of live broadcasts was 1st mooted. The agreement with the PL, FA & Football League was that 3pm on a Saturday would be a no go area for live broadcasts so as not to encourage fans to stay at home watching Maan Uuuu rather than Southend or York or whoever. We are unique in the number of fans who go to lower league games & they want to keep it that way.

very interesting. makes a lot of sense when you think about it, but seems awfully out of step with modern technology and the media coverage, etc. Esp. with the money it seems you could make from an offering like i mentioned.

i could see if i lived in the UK how i'd want to wander down to the local lower league side and see some football in a small stadium and just enjoy it. I can see it being a really fun time to be honest.

What percentage of folks on this board attend a lower league team's matches regularly do you think?

cheers

I went to the occasional Stockport County game when Pearce was in charge at City. It was fucking shite.

More enjoyable than watching Pearce's team though. (But so is sticking your knob in a toaster)

[Wonderwall]

It's not just about the effect it would have on attendances at the games shown live & the PL, it's about the effect it could have on the whole of the football programme in this country; on attendances in every league down to non league.

It was all discussed when the idea of live broadcasts was 1st mooted. The agreement with the PL, FA & Football League was that 3pm on a Saturday would be a no go area for live broadcasts so as not to encourage fans to stay at home watching Maan Uuuu rather than Southend or York or whoever. We are unique in the number of fans who go to lower league games & they want to keep it that way.

very interesting. makes a lot of sense when you think about it, but seems awfully out of step with modern technology and the media coverage, etc. Esp. with the money it seems you could make from an offering like i mentioned.

i could see if i lived in the UK how i'd want to wander down to the local lower league side and see some football in a small stadium and just enjoy it. I can see it being a really fun time to be honest.

What percentage of folks on this board attend a lower league team's matches regularly do you think?

cheers

I went to the occasional Stockport County game when Pearce was in charge at City. It was fucking shite.

More enjoyable than watching Pearce's team though. (But so is sticking your knob in a toaster)

cheese toasty?

[ronk]

Why on earth doesn't Sky do something like the NFL does here in the States and show every fucking game at a package price? odd.

cheers

They're doing great charging more money for less coverage. It's unfair to compare the NFL to sports in other countries because they are just so far ahead that it's hard to appreciate.

There's almost no drive for universal coverage in Ireland and the UK. For some bizarre reason millions of fans have allowed themselves to be convinced that all you can eat football would be the end of the world as we know it.

American Football has far fairer revenue sharing systems but people here see it as the exact opposite. The objections to something like a subscription to a one team gamepass get made and are passionate without ever considering the possibility that the revenue from subscribers goes to the league (and is then shared) rather than going straight to the team.

[john@staustell]

Also although we on here all speak about 'everyone watching in the pub' what percentage of the population actually do this? Bugger all really. A few hundred in each town maybe, of many thousands. Maybe even a few thousand in Manchester, with a huge population. maybe even 100 in that pub in Portsmouth.

Less than 1%?

Nonsense.

I think I pulled up figures on this recently, and, if I remember correctly, about 3.5% of the population regularly watch football in bars in Britain. That's about 2.15 million people. Say they consume, on average, 3 pints and a packet of crisps (a low estimate, considering a large number of people stay to watch both televised games, that's about a tenner spent per person. Now obviously not all of these people watch every game, but say, for example, the average person described above goes to the pub to watch football once every three weeks, that's still 7 million quid being pumped into pubs on the weekend, at times when they would otherwise have little-to-no business.

The best figure I could get for the number of Sky viewers is just over 9 million (I assume that's people, not households). Obviously, not all of them will have Sky Sports. So, if we generously assume that 2/3 Sky subscribers have the Sports package, that means that 1 in 10 people have regular access to televised Premier League football at home.

When I worked in a bar/nightclub in Britain, I used to manage the place on sundays. About 95% of our income between 3pm and 9pm was due to us screening football, equating to between 400 and 1000 quid, depending on fixtures. That was from a crowd of maybe 30-60 people, with wives and mates popping in for the occasional drink throughout the course of the games, in a town of 40,000 people. Add to that the fact the bar wasn't even in the top 5 most popular places in the town to watch football, and you're starting to see that it's a lot more of the population than you think. I'd hazard a guess that over 1,500 people watch football in pubs each weekend there.

Bell there's statistics for you. There's two million people in the pubs every Sunday watching football? Or 'regularly'. If you apply a bit of sense and see that in the biggest pub round here sometimes it s packed with a couple of hundred, other times there's no fucker at all, except those already in there. And you here Darren Gough say (idiot I know) that there is ONE PUB in Barnsley that shows football.

Those figures are typical statistics. 'Regularly' indeed!

[BlueinBosnia]

Also although we on here all speak about 'everyone watching in the pub' what percentage of the population actually do this? Bugger all really. A few hundred in each town maybe, of many thousands. Maybe even a few thousand in Manchester, with a huge population. maybe even 100 in that pub in Portsmouth.

Less than 1%?

Nonsense.

I think I pulled up figures on this recently, and, if I remember correctly, about 3.5% of the population regularly watch football in bars in Britain. That's about 2.15 million people. Say they consume, on average, 3 pints and a packet of crisps (a low estimate, considering a large number of people stay to watch both televised games, that's about a tenner spent per person. Now obviously not all of these people watch every game, but say, for example, the average person described above goes to the pub to watch football once every three weeks, that's still 7 million quid being pumped into pubs on the weekend, at times when they would otherwise have little-to-no business.

The best figure I could get for the number of Sky viewers is just over 9 million (I assume that's people, not households). Obviously, not all of them will have Sky Sports. So, if we generously assume that 2/3 Sky subscribers have the Sports package, that means that 1 in 10 people have regular access to televised Premier League football at home.

When I worked in a bar/nightclub in Britain, I used to manage the place on sundays. About 95% of our income between 3pm and 9pm was due to us screening football, equating to between 400 and 1000 quid, depending on fixtures. That was from a crowd of maybe 30-60 people, with wives and mates popping in for the occasional drink throughout the course of the games, in a town of 40,000 people. Add to that the fact the bar wasn't even in the top 5 most popular places in the town to watch football, and you're starting to see that it's a lot more of the population than you think. I'd hazard a guess that over 1,500 people watch football in pubs each weekend there.

Bell there's statistics for you. There's two million people in the pubs every Sunday watching football? Or 'regularly'. If you apply a bit of sense and see that in the biggest pub round here sometimes it s packed with a couple of hundred, other times there's no fucker at all, except those already in there. And you here Darren Gough say (idiot I know) that there is ONE PUB in Barnsley that shows football.

Those figures are typical statistics. 'Regularly' indeed!

No, if you read my post properly, you'll see that I (in my opinion, massively under-)estimated about 700k people watching football each weekend (some more, some less, obviously). The 'one pub' in Barnsley must be Farm Road Social Club, according to this (http://www.ukcityguide.info/barnsley_9_ ... ars_7.html), although many of the landlords seem to cheekily falsely advertise 'Live Football', according to these photos (http://www.pubutopia.com/pubs/B/Barnsley/).

As I said above, live football was responsible for takings of between 400 quid and a grand on sundays in a bar where I worked.

[Nigels Tackle]

bib... sky have the best part of 10m subscribers in the uk which equates to approx half of all households...

[BlueinBosnia]

bib... sky have the best part of 10m subscribers in the uk which equates to approx half of all households...

Are you sure that the 9-10m means households (plus pubs, hotels and everything else), and not people in the houses, ie like 3-4 million households? The article with the 9.2m I pulled up seemed to suggest it was people.

[Nigels Tackle]

bib... sky have the best part of 10m subscribers in the uk which equates to approx half of all households...

Are you sure that the 9-10m means households (plus pubs, hotels and everything else), and not people in the houses, ie like 3-4 million households? The article with the 9.2m I pulled up seemed to suggest it was people.

it's subscribers... ok, not just households... pubs, clubs etc as well.

i would say 90% of people i know subscribe and the majority have the sports package...

[BlueinBosnia]

bib... sky have the best part of 10m subscribers in the uk which equates to approx half of all households...

Are you sure that the 9-10m means households (plus pubs, hotels and everything else), and not people in the houses, ie like 3-4 million households? The article with the 9.2m I pulled up seemed to suggest it was people.

it's subscribers... ok, not just households... pubs, clubs etc as well.

I would say 90% of people i know subscribe and the majority have the sports package...

Ok, thanks for that. I'd say just over a quarter of the people I know have Sky, and around half of them have the sports package.

This (http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1019836) suggests that there are over 6m subscribers to Sports (probably more like 7.5m now), although at the same time it suggests viewing figures for games in the UK are 2-3 million (I assume, like other channels, that that figure is people, not households).

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Well I have the full mashings package but I rarely watch football at home. If City are on the box away from home and I'm not going, I'd prefer to watch it in the battle cruiser. Except the derby at the Swamp. Too many rags in our local and they are all stupid and gobby. Stakes too high to have a shared experience with these mongs.
So in a recent survey 100% of people asked, (me) watch togger down the pub.
Q.E.D.

[BlueinBosnia]

Well I have the full mashings package but I rarely watch football at home. If City are on the box away from home and I'm not going, I'd prefer to watch it in the battle cruiser. Except the derby at the Swamp. Too many rags in our local and they are all stupid and gobby. Stakes too high to have a shared experience with these mongs.
So in a recent survey 100% of people asked, (me) watch togger down the pub.
Q.E.D.

I'm the same. My parents got Sky about 4 years ago, but I've still never got into the sitting at home watching the game thing. However, the money saved on beer pays for Sky, and they get films and whatever else is on Sky thrown into the mix.

I've lived 5 of the last 8 years without a TV, and don't really miss it that much.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Well I have the full mashings package but I rarely watch football at home. If City are on the box away from home and I'm not going, I'd prefer to watch it in the battle cruiser. Except the derby at the Swamp. Too many rags in our local and they are all stupid and gobby. Stakes too high to have a shared experience with these mongs.
So in a recent survey 100% of people asked, (me) watch togger down the pub.
Q.E.D.

I'm the same. My parents got Sky about 4 years ago, but I've still never got into the sitting at home watching the game thing. However, the money saved on beer pays for Sky, and they get films and whatever else is on Sky thrown into the mix.

I've lived 5 of the last 8 years without a TV, and don't really miss it that much.

Weird innit? You would think it would be a big miss, but you soon get used to not having telly.
Funnily enough I miss SSN at work since it disappeared off Freeview. Fucking Top Gear is on in every mess room!

[Rag_hater]

If this leads to more competition by the EPL having to stick to the rules of being in single market which Europe is supposed to be and having to look past creating a monopoly with Sky and having to get more customers in the form of other broadcasters I think it will be a good thing.
For me this will force the people who make the deal for the EPL to look at other markets and so I think the price will come down whilst increasing what is available to clubs.

[Ted Hughes]

If this leads to more competition by the EPL having to stick to the rules of being in single market which Europe is supposed to be and having to look past creating a monopoly with Sky and having to get more customers in the form of other broadcasters I think it will be a good thing.
For me this will force the people who make the deal for the EPL to look at other markets and so I think the price will come down whilst increasing what is available to clubs.

They have to make it available to other bidders now. ESPN have a package. ESPN have joined forces with Sky. The Premier League will sell their product to the highest bidder, as is their right. If Sky bid the highest, they will win. If they are forced to pay more in order to outbid others, they will put the prices up in order to pay for it.

[Rag_hater]

If this leads to more competition by the EPL having to stick to the rules of being in single market which Europe is supposed to be and having to look past creating a monopoly with Sky and having to get more customers in the form of other broadcasters I think it will be a good thing.
For me this will force the people who make the deal for the EPL to look at other markets and so I think the price will come down whilst increasing what is available to clubs.

They have to make it available to other bidders now. ESPN have a package. ESPN have joined forces with Sky. The Premier League will sell their product to the highest bidder, as is their right. If Sky bid the highest, they will win. If they are forced to pay more in order to outbid others, they will put the prices up in order to pay for it.

If it becomes much more expensive they will price themselves out of the market as there are so many other ways of watching it now.
It is worth a finite amount and people will not pay more than it's worth.