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[Bridge'srightfoot]

Ted, If you seriously think Downing would get booed off the pitch if he played for City then you're fuking deluded. I don't recall single players ever being booed off the pitch for poor performances. Maybe as a group but never individually. It's ridiculous to claim that.
Watch that goal, every bit as good as AJ's. And over the last two seasons what has AJ done that Downing hasn't?

Am I correct in assuming you are a Downing fan?

and if so, are you totally sure you are not getting him mixed up with someone else?

I'm not a particular Downing fan. I think he's a good player. Not outstanding, certainly not terrible. He's nowhere near as bad as some make out.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

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Well there you go. Or are you gonna argue that it was a crap goal which your granny could score? Or that infact Downing would be booed off the pitch if he played for us. And Johnson has hardly been miles better in the last year or so.

1) Can't be arsed watching it but I'm sure it's great & one i forgot about. (Have you got a video of that one Danny Mills scored ?) 2) Yes he would, without a shadow of a doubt & 3) yes he has, especially for England where he's been absolutlely fucking planets better.

Hold on, you just used Johnson's goal to prove he is class. Whereas the Downing goal there is every bit as good. Not saying he's brilliant but you can't use a single goal to justify a player's ability. It's about doing it consistently, one thing Johnson hasn't done do far.

[Slim]

Neither of you can use one goal as proof of consistency.

And I'd say(without proof as well) that neither has been.

[Rag_hater]

I would say both Downing and AJ are at about the same level.
I don't think Downing is as bad as some are saying.He is a player that happens to have completed more successful crosses in the past three seasons than anyone else in the Premier League; he is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration (the other four being the world-famous quartet of Fabregas, Gerrard, Lampard and Giggs). His club’s Player of the Year,last year and he is someone who has regularly registered in excess of ten assists a season throughout his career, with as many as 14 in 2006/07, and is capable of getting double-figures in goals (he did so in 2007/08, and was just one shy of last season). All this, and on average fit to play in all but three games a season over the past five years.Those facts would suggest he has done more than AJ

[Kladze]

I would say both Downing and AJ are at about the same level.
I don't think Downing is as bad as some are saying.He is a player that happens to have completed more successful crosses in the past three seasons than anyone else in the Premier League; he is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration (the other four being the world-famous quartet of Fabregas, Gerrard, Lampard and Giggs). His club’s Player of the Year,last year and he is someone who has regularly registered in excess of ten assists a season throughout his career, with as many as 14 in 2006/07, and is capable of getting double-figures in goals (he did so in 2007/08, and was just one shy of last season). All this, and on average fit to play in all but three games a season over the past five years.Those facts would suggest he has done more than AJ

Those 'facts' suggest nothing of the kind.

All that they suggest to me is that yet again you put statistics before the evidence of your own eyes.

Gawd ! why do I keep reading what you post?

[Rag_hater]

I would say both Downing and AJ are at about the same level.
I don't think Downing is as bad as some are saying.He is a player that happens to have completed more successful crosses in the past three seasons than anyone else in the Premier League; he is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration (the other four being the world-famous quartet of Fabregas, Gerrard, Lampard and Giggs). His club’s Player of the Year,last year and he is someone who has regularly registered in excess of ten assists a season throughout his career, with as many as 14 in 2006/07, and is capable of getting double-figures in goals (he did so in 2007/08, and was just one shy of last season). All this, and on average fit to play in all but three games a season over the past five years.Those facts would suggest he has done more than AJ

Those 'facts' suggest nothing of the kind.

All that they suggest to me is that yet again you put statistics before the evidence of your own eyes.

Gawd ! why do I keep reading what you post?

You said I was on your foe list.Was that a lie?
You can think what you want about Downing but if I use facts to back up any arguments I put forward and you don't I think Einstien that projects your argument as just opinion.

[Ted Hughes]

I'm not using AJ's goal as proof of class at all. I just mentioned it. If Downing has scored a better one, fair enough.

I've watched him since he was at Boro & I've thought he had one good season many years ago, where he looked as if he may have something. The rest of the time I think he's ranged mainly between average & crap, with more crap than average & occasionally, diabolically, crowd booingly crap. At Boro, I notivced AJ as being better than him, by a margin, but Downing was initially a prominent player, so AJ for a while had to play 2nd fiddle, until his better quality showed through. Boro fans rated him as much the better player.

At City I think AJ has maintained a standard between average & good, occasionally brilliant with potential to be, on the whole, much better, whilst downing has played his usual run head first & whack the ball game, which has seen him be the 5th best player at each club he's been at. The difference is: AJ is being compared to world class players, playing world class football, Downing has been playing with mainly mediocre players, playing mediocre football. He still comes way behind half of them in his value to their teams.

If he played for City, he would stick out like a sore thumb & we would all want him selling. AJ is learning to play alongside players like Silva without making a twat of himself & actually contributing & most of us hold out the hope he will reach something close to their standard.

AJ's worst game for England, is better than Downing's best game for England which goes back to my original point: the selection of Downing over AJ is fucking ridiculous. It wouldn't have happened if he was still at Villa & Jones would not have played at right back if he was still at Blackburn.

I hope Downing plays like Jairzinho on Saturday before normal service is resumed & he goes back to being mundane.

[Ted Hughes]

I would say both Downing and AJ are at about the same level.
I don't think Downing is as bad as some are saying.He is a player that happens to have completed more successful crosses in the past three seasons than anyone else in the Premier League; he is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration (the other four being the world-famous quartet of Fabregas, Gerrard, Lampard and Giggs). His club’s Player of the Year,last year and he is someone who has regularly registered in excess of ten assists a season throughout his career, with as many as 14 in 2006/07, and is capable of getting double-figures in goals (he did so in 2007/08, and was just one shy of last season). All this, and on average fit to play in all but three games a season over the past five years.Those facts would suggest he has done more than AJ

Those 'facts' suggest nothing of the kind.

All that they suggest to me is that yet again you put statistics before the evidence of your own eyes.

Gawd ! why do I keep reading what you post?

You said I was on your foe list.Was that a lie?
You can think what you want about Downing but if I use facts to back up any arguments I put forward and you don't I think Einstien that projects your argument as just opinion.

If you spend every week booting the ball into the oppo's box, there's a fair chance one of them will land infront of somebody. Whether playing like that wins you the title, or indeed anything, or helps the England team, is another question but, as there's no stat to prove it, in your world it doesn't exist. Perhaps we should sign Rory Delap as his throw in stats must be pretty good & create 4 or 5 chances per game.

[Kladze]

I would say both Downing and AJ are at about the same level.
I don't think Downing is as bad as some are saying.He is a player that happens to have completed more successful crosses in the past three seasons than anyone else in the Premier League; he is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration (the other four being the world-famous quartet of Fabregas, Gerrard, Lampard and Giggs). His club’s Player of the Year,last year and he is someone who has regularly registered in excess of ten assists a season throughout his career, with as many as 14 in 2006/07, and is capable of getting double-figures in goals (he did so in 2007/08, and was just one shy of last season). All this, and on average fit to play in all but three games a season over the past five years.Those facts would suggest he has done more than AJ

Those 'facts' suggest nothing of the kind.

All that they suggest to me is that yet again you put statistics before the evidence of your own eyes.

Gawd ! why do I keep reading what you post?

You said I was on your foe list.Was that a lie?
You can think what you want about Downing but if I use facts to back up any arguments I put forward and you don't I think Einstien that projects your argument as just opinion.

You ARE on my foe list.

But I still see the option to "display this post anyway" and, like a clown, I sometimes click it. Invariably I find you talking fucking annoying shite.

[Rag_hater]

I would say both Downing and AJ are at about the same level.
I don't think Downing is as bad as some are saying.He is a player that happens to have completed more successful crosses in the past three seasons than anyone else in the Premier League; he is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration (the other four being the world-famous quartet of Fabregas, Gerrard, Lampard and Giggs). His club’s Player of the Year,last year and he is someone who has regularly registered in excess of ten assists a season throughout his career, with as many as 14 in 2006/07, and is capable of getting double-figures in goals (he did so in 2007/08, and was just one shy of last season). All this, and on average fit to play in all but three games a season over the past five years.Those facts would suggest he has done more than AJ

Those 'facts' suggest nothing of the kind.

All that they suggest to me is that yet again you put statistics before the evidence of your own eyes.

Gawd ! why do I keep reading what you post?

You said I was on your foe list.Was that a lie?
You can think what you want about Downing but if I use facts to back up any arguments I put forward and you don't I think Einstien that projects your argument as just opinion.

You ARE on my foe list.

But I still see the option to "display this post anyway" and, like a clown, I sometimes click it. Invariably I find you talking fucking annoying shite.

You mean you don't like people saying shit the way it actually is,you want to keep living in that deluded world of yours

[Kladze]

Whatever ..............

[Ted Hughes]

Whatever ..............

If City won 3-0 but he'd read it was 2-0, he'd chalk off the third goal.

[Rag_hater]

Seems the experts on here can't accept that some people might see things differently on here to them.
Obviously considering opinions and facts that come from sources outside the wisdom of this site with all its knowledge and experience is foolhardy.
Bolloxs to what independant people say there are opinions on here that cannot be questioned or doubted.

[Ted Hughes]

Seems the experts on here can't accept that some people might see things differently on here to them.
Obviously considering opinions and facts that come from sources outside the wisdom of this site with all its knowledge and experience is foolhardy.
Bolloxs to what independant people say there are opinions on here that cannot be questioned or doubted.

So we're all supposed to shut up & just read statistics without questioning (like you do) & not have our own opinions ?

Knobhead.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Downing both scored and assisted more goals than Johnson last season, playing in a far worse side. There is little justification to say AJ has been better over the last couple of seasons.

[Ted Hughes]

Downing both scored and assisted more goals than Johnson last season, playing in a far worse side. There is little justification to say AJ has been better over the last couple of seasons.

Other than opinion no.

It is my belief that Downing is a headless chicken & AJ is a quality player. Downing plays every week though & AJ doesn't. Downing also plays in sides who rely on crosses with forwards who get on the end of them. Milner's stats for Villa were comparable with those of Ryan Giggs (once again misleading). AJ doesn't play in that kind of side. Imo, Downing isn't a very good footballer & AJ is.

If AJ became available, imo, Freguson would want him. From Villa, he chose Ashley Young, who is also miles better footballer than Downing (as is Milner).

[Rag_hater]

Downing both scored and assisted more goals than Johnson last season, playing in a far worse side. There is little justification to say AJ has been better over the last couple of seasons.

The experts have told us that he has only had one good season so you must be confused.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Downing both scored and assisted more goals than Johnson last season, playing in a far worse side. There is little justification to say AJ has been better over the last couple of seasons.

Other than opinion no.

It is my belief that Downing is a headless chicken & AJ is a quality player. Downing plays every week though & AJ doesn't. Downing also plays in sides who rely on crosses with forwards who get on the end of them. Milner's stats for Villa were comparable with those of Ryan Giggs (once again misleading). AJ doesn't play in that kind of side. Imo, Downing isn't a very good footballer & AJ is.

If AJ became available, imo, Freguson would want him. From Villa, he chose Ashley Young, who is also miles better footballer than Downing (as is Milner).

With regards to England, it's only fair for Capello to pick players who do the business for their club and when he sees Downing both scoring and creating more it's not that hard to believe he got the nod. AJ has the ability to be miles better than Downing. He is supremely talented, but he rarely shows it. He goes through games where you barely notice his presence and imo only really looks great coming off the bench. His final product, shot, through ball mostly fail and don't reach their target. Every now and then he'll come up with a moment of real quality but he doesn't do it consistently enough.

In terms of being a 'winger', Downing is a far better crosser of the ball and that will ultimately lead to goals. He's certainly not shit like you're making out.

[Ted Hughes]

Downing both scored and assisted more goals than Johnson last season, playing in a far worse side. There is little justification to say AJ has been better over the last couple of seasons.

Other than opinion no.

It is my belief that Downing is a headless chicken & AJ is a quality player. Downing plays every week though & AJ doesn't. Downing also plays in sides who rely on crosses with forwards who get on the end of them. Milner's stats for Villa were comparable with those of Ryan Giggs (once again misleading). AJ doesn't play in that kind of side. Imo, Downing isn't a very good footballer & AJ is.

If AJ became available, imo, Freguson would want him. From Villa, he chose Ashley Young, who is also miles better footballer than Downing (as is Milner).

With regards to England, it's only fair for Capello to pick players who do the business for their club and when he sees Downing both scoring and creating more it's not that hard to believe he got the nod. AJ has the ability to be miles better than Downing. He is supremely talented, but he rarely shows it. He goes through games where you barely notice his presence and imo only really looks great coming off the bench. His final product, shot, through ball mostly fail and don't reach their target. Every now and then he'll come up with a moment of real quality but he doesn't do it consistently enough.

In terms of being a 'winger', Downing is a far better crosser of the ball and that will ultimately lead to goals. He's certainly not shit like you're making out.

I think Downing is a shit winger who suits Fat Sam style percentage foottball teams; he'd do well at Stoke. I would describe Downing's career, on the whole, as being fairly shit . Not, admittedly, Gerry Creaney shit, just fairly shit. I recon most games he plays, he is selfish, blind to other's positions, runs down blind alleys, whacks the ball aimlessly into the box & shoots when he should pass. When he's at his best he's very good. Imo that's rare. By his standards he probably had a good last season for Villa but I judge that along the same lines as Dunne & Barton having good seasons for City; almost everyone else played below par & the team was shit.

Milner created plenty of goals for Villa because, like Downing, he was asked to whack the ball into the box & hope someone scored. The team were expecting it & so it works TO A DEGREE. The lose possession & fuck up in other areas. Downing does that all the time. That's not supposed to happen for England though. With Downing it does.

AJ has been quality for England & had he been a Utd player, the idea of him being dropped for some mid table quality headless fucking chicken would be laughable, yet on here people think it's acceptable. That's England in a nutshell. Would a rag player who is consistently good for England be dropped just because he'd missed a few games injured ?

[Dameerto]

With regards to England, it's only fair for Capello to pick players who do the business for their club and when he sees Downing both scoring and creating more it's not that hard to believe he got the nod. AJ has the ability to be miles better than Downing. He is supremely talented, but he rarely shows it. He goes through games where you barely notice his presence and imo only really looks great coming off the bench. His final product, shot, through ball mostly fail and don't reach their target. Every now and then he'll come up with a moment of real quality but he doesn't do it consistently enough.

In terms of being a 'winger', Downing is a far better crosser of the ball and that will ultimately lead to goals. He's certainly not shit like you're making out.

Micah Richards.