Herman Won't Contest/AWOL in Argie

[Kladze]

The more we as City fans talk about Tevez the more heated and extreme the comments become about him. Talk of sueing him for his assets! Chelsea have never been paid over Mutu.

Tevez was found guilty of refusing to warm up and now he has not attended training after trying to get permission to be absent.
Let's get his conduct in perpsective. It is highly unprofessional but it is hardly criminal.
Tevez appears a stupid man was is badly advised.
I hope the club tries its best to resolve the situation in a quiet and professional manner.

You are failing to understand the true nature of Tevez' situation. He demanded a transfer, we tried & failed to get him one at the price we were asking so he is making himself a nuisance to us whilst driving down his value in the transfer market.

He was found guilty of misconduct on five counts, not of 'failing to warm up' there is no such charge. We have simply decided it wasn't worth the hassle of trying to prove gross misconduct. He has now failed to turn up for training, whilst in a condition below that required to play Premier League football for our club; the club who pays him hundreds of thousands per week TO PLAY FOOTBALL. He has previously cried off from training with non fotball related injuries, thus maintaining a condition which sees him unfit to do the job for which we are paying him & once again, devaluing himself in the transfer market.

This behaviour would not be tolerated in any other business & it's time people like yourself stopped making excuses for these overpaid shysters. What he is doing is disgusting & totally unacceptable. Even the leader of his own union won't back him on this.

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Plain speaking?

Did you consider the alternative user name of "total bollox" ?

[highlight]I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position[/highlight] as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

Understand his position? He has no position.

You've been spouting some right rare old tosh mate (sorry but you have) the worst of which being the suggestion that Tevez might have actually done little wrong on that night in Munich.

We all saw what happened with our own eyes. Virtually NONE of us had even the most remote suspicion that there was anything other than a clear decision on his part NOT to play.

The fact that the club then only found him guilty on the lesser charge of "refusing to warm up" is fucking irrelevant - they opted for that because they couldn't prove the gross misconduct 100% (no doubt because a few of his lily livered team mates claimed to have seen and heard nothing).

Whatever mate - jog on.

[Plain Speaking]

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Do you really believe that Tevez genuinely thought Mancini would give him a week off ? Come on. It's just a load of old cobblers in order to try & cover his tracks. The main reason Mancini wasn't using Tevez more before all this happened is not because of some kind of punishment for asking to leave, it's because he didn't consider him to be fit enough. The Argentinian national team don't think he's fit enough either. If we just wanted to sell him we still need to get him fit so he'd be working on that now.

We have bent over backwards to help this bloke (or more likely bent over forwards) & he has come to expect that he can get away with doing whatever he wants & that it will be ok. I recon he's about to find out that is no longer the case.

I agree Tevez did seem unfit and is probably still unfit. I am not sticking up for Tevez. I am trying to understand the other parties position. Tevez is in the wrong and I'm sure he will be punished.
I support Mancini and he seems to be doing an excellent job, however Mancini's and his staff can improve their communication.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Plain Speaking, it seems to me that you're trying to be objective, which I admire and respect, however to be objective you need to make sure you look at all information available on both sides. It seems to me that you have not done this, rather you are looking at things from T***z perspective. This is going to piss people off mate.

[Hazy2]

Ted, I respect your opinion. I am not sure Tevez was delibrately tring to decrease his value by troublemaking. I dont think the Bayern incident was pre-meditated on Tevez's behalf. IMO it was 2 hotheads behaving impetuously in a pressure cooker situation.

It is possible missing training is trying to stir up trouble to devalue his price as you say. However the fact he has been making numeruous attempts to get permission from staff and Mancini, only to be ignored implies he genuinely wanted permission. I assume Mancini chose to ignore his telephone messages.
Moreover without the Munich incident, IMO Mancini would have had no problem with letting Tevez go home this International break.

Strangely I believe that Tevez foolishly considers he has been wronged by Mancini!

I agree he is overpaid and spoilt and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Do you really believe that Tevez genuinely thought Mancini would give him a week off ? Come on. It's just a load of old cobblers in order to try & cover his tracks. The main reason Mancini wasn't using Tevez more before all this happened is not because of some kind of punishment for asking to leave, it's because he didn't consider him to be fit enough. The Argentinian national team don't think he's fit enough either. If we just wanted to sell him we still need to get him fit so he'd be working on that now.

We have bent over backwards to help this bloke (or more likely bent over forwards) & he has come to expect that he can get away with doing whatever he wants & that it will be ok. I recon he's about to find out that is no longer the case.

I agree Tevez did seem unfit and is probably still unfit. I am not sticking up for Tevez. I am trying to understand the other parties position. Tevez is in the wrong and I'm sure he will be punished.
I support Mancini and he seems to be doing an excellent job, however Mancini's and his staff can improve their communication.

You have talked sense, to some degree, Tevez is maybe the one with the comms problem or as he ? The little turd may be taking the rip out of many, but not Mancini,Platt or Kidd, it is always a minor member of th support staff,Carlos is a deviant, Gordon Taylor also has the look of "Sorry you were right, I was wrong, THE MAN'S A TWAT".

[Plain Speaking]

[highlight]I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position[/highlight] as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

Understand his position? He has no position.

You've been spouting some right rare old tosh mate (sorry but you have) the worst of which being the suggestion that Tevez might have actually done little wrong on that night in Munich.

We all saw what happened with our own eyes. Virtually NONE of us had even the most remote suspicion that there was anything other than a clear decision on his part NOT to play.

The fact that the club then only found him guilty on the lesser charge of "refusing to warm up" is fucking irrelevant - they opted for that because they couldn't prove the gross misconduct 100% (no doubt because a few of his lily livered team mates claimed to have seen and heard nothing).

Whatever mate - jog on.

Tevez was in the wrong that night no question. However when Mancini took off Dzeko and brought on De Jong many City fans would have asked "just how are we going to score with that one?" In hindsight, it may have been tactical genius and Tevez could have been brought on later and scored the goals who knows. Tevez had wanted to play but he just lost it with Mancini because he is a hothead.

I dont support what Tevez did it was wrong on our biggest ever fixture up until then. However I do try and understand what happened and why Tevez did what he did. If communications had been better, (or trust?), we would not have been in that situation.

It would be a pretty boring forum if we all spouted the same tripe.

[Plain Speaking]

Plain Speaking, it seems to me that you're trying to be objective, which I admire and respect, however to be objective you need to make sure you look at all information available on both sides. It seems to me that you have not done this, rather you are looking at things from T***z perspective. This is going to piss people off mate.

A fair point. I am blue through and through. I just want our club to be the best and to learn if we have made any mistakes. I am not an extremist and I always try to be fair and reasonable even with what others would consider to be "enemies." I think if we can show mutual respect there is more chance of all parties getting something out of a situation. I dont stand a chance of influencing what Tevez or his camp do in the future, but if someone in the our club were to take on board improved standards I would be happy. Sell Tevez in January but if he can not be seen as a complete demon he will be worth more!

[Kladze]

[highlight]I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position[/highlight] as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

Understand his position? He has no position.

You've been spouting some right rare old tosh mate (sorry but you have) the worst of which being the suggestion that Tevez might have actually done little wrong on that night in Munich.

We all saw what happened with our own eyes. Virtually NONE of us had even the most remote suspicion that there was anything other than a clear decision on his part NOT to play.

The fact that the club then only found him guilty on the lesser charge of "refusing to warm up" is fucking irrelevant - they opted for that because they couldn't prove the gross misconduct 100% (no doubt because a few of his lily livered team mates claimed to have seen and heard nothing).

Whatever mate - jog on.

Tevez was in the wrong that night no question. However when Mancini took off Dzeko and brought on De Jong many City fans would have asked "just how are we going to score with that one?" In hindsight, it may have been tactical genius and Tevez could have been brought on later and scored the goals who knows. Tevez had wanted to play but he just lost it with Mancini because he is a hothead.

I dont support what Tevez did it was wrong on our biggest ever fixture up until then. However I do try and understand what happened and why Tevez did what he did. If communications had been better, (or trust?), we would not have been in that situation.

[highlight]It would be a pretty boring forum if we all spouted the same tripe[/highlight].

Fair enough. Maybe I could have been kinder towards your posts (I'm ill, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it).

However, the suggestion that Tevez was anything short of making a calculated move on the club that night fall on deaf ears so far as I'm concerned.

You need to remember that after tha game Tevez HIMSELF called his own 'press conference' at which he simply HAD TO KNOW what the question was going to be and to which he responded "I was feeling neither physically nor mentally prepared so I didn't play" - or words close to that.

It was only the following morning that the claims of misunderstandings and miscommunication were made - AFTER it was realised by somone just how much shit might hit the fan.

[MR IMAINEROAD]

Thank God for Tevez.

Whatever else would be talk about during this boring two week interlude.....?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Thank God for Tevez.

Whatever else would be talk about during this boring two week interlude.....?

His death perhaps?

[ronk]

Geez has gone on unofficial strike to force the club to sell him. He's been getting more desperate all season.

But he won't do anything positive to help him get what he wants. Instead he's trying to just be a cunt and hopefully get his own way.

From his point of view it's a clever trick and he was probably desperate to get home. He's so used to being indulged and getting away with antics he doesn't really see why this is different.

But in the context of a hold-out player at war with his club, it's utterly foolish.

[Mark (Blue Army)]

Thank God for Tevez.

Whatever else would be talk about during this boring two week interlude.....?

His death perhaps?

Now that would be better

[Ted Hughes]

[highlight]I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position[/highlight] as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

Understand his position? He has no position.

You've been spouting some right rare old tosh mate (sorry but you have) the worst of which being the suggestion that Tevez might have actually done little wrong on that night in Munich.

We all saw what happened with our own eyes. Virtually NONE of us had even the most remote suspicion that there was anything other than a clear decision on his part NOT to play.

The fact that the club then only found him guilty on the lesser charge of "refusing to warm up" is fucking irrelevant - they opted for that because they couldn't prove the gross misconduct 100% (no doubt because a few of his lily livered team mates claimed to have seen and heard nothing).

Whatever mate - jog on.

Tevez was in the wrong that night no question. However when Mancini took off Dzeko and brought on De Jong many City fans would have asked "just how are we going to score with that one?" In hindsight, it may have been tactical genius and Tevez could have been brought on later and scored the goals who knows. Tevez had wanted to play but he just lost it with Mancini because he is a hothead.


I dont support what Tevez did it was wrong on our biggest ever fixture up until then. However I do try and understand what happened and why Tevez did what he did. If communications had been better, (or trust?), we would not have been in that situation.

It would be a pretty boring forum if we all spouted the same tripe.

This is ridiculous. You don't refuse to take the field because you're a bit upset you weren't brought on a few minutes earlier! How can you possibly justify this because of a lack of communication ? This is nonsense beyond reason. What if Balotelli is a bit upset the following week ? He refuses as well, so Bob turns to Tevez again & he says " tough shit boss, you should have picked me to start " so we play fucking Zabba at centre forward as he's the only one willing to come on!!??

Tevez refused to play, he admitted to it after the game & we should have thrown the book at him then. Luckily, the thick bastard has given us another chance.

[feedthegreek]

tevez playing darts for city v scum 7 in a team
roberto signals to him come hither, mimes to throw 3 darts
your on next, think tevez wouldnt know, tevez = bullshitter.

[carl_feedthegoat]

[highlight]I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position[/highlight] as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

Understand his position? He has no position.

You've been spouting some right rare old tosh mate (sorry but you have) the worst of which being the suggestion that Tevez might have actually done little wrong on that night in Munich.

We all saw what happened with our own eyes. Virtually NONE of us had even the most remote suspicion that there was anything other than a clear decision on his part NOT to play.

The fact that the club then only found him guilty on the lesser charge of "refusing to warm up" is fucking irrelevant - they opted for that because they couldn't prove the gross misconduct 100% (no doubt because a few of his lily livered team mates claimed to have seen and heard nothing).

Whatever mate - jog on.

Tevez was in the wrong that night no question. However when Mancini took off Dzeko and brought on De Jong many City fans would have asked "just how are we going to score with that one?" In hindsight, it may have been tactical genius and Tevez could have been brought on later and scored the goals who knows. Tevez had wanted to play but he just lost it with Mancini because he is a hothead.


I dont support what Tevez did it was wrong on our biggest ever fixture up until then. However I do try and understand what happened and why Tevez did what he did. If communications had been better, (or trust?), we would not have been in that situation.

It would be a pretty boring forum if we all spouted the same tripe.

This is ridiculous. You don't refuse to take the field because you're a bit upset you weren't brought on a few minutes earlier! How can you possibly justify this because of a lack of communication ? This is nonsense beyond reason. What if Balotelli is a bit upset the following week ? He refuses as well, so Bob turns to Tevez again & he says " tough shit boss, you should have picked me to start " so we play fucking Zabba at centre forward as he's the only one willing to come on!!??

Tevez refused to play, he admitted to it after the game & we should have thrown the book at him then. Luckily, the thick bastard has given us another chance.

This is the point , I cannot understand why some Mary white houses of the world want to find a solution in Tevez s favor.....

FUCK HIM...he has done his utmost to destabilize our quest for honours this season and now deserves to be sued and ruined.

[feedthegreek]

[highlight]I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position[/highlight] as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

Understand his position? He has no position.

You've been spouting some right rare old tosh mate (sorry but you have) the worst of which being the suggestion that Tevez might have actually done little wrong on that night in Munich.

We all saw what happened with our own eyes. Virtually NONE of us had even the most remote suspicion that there was anything other than a clear decision on his part NOT to play.

The fact that the club then only found him guilty on the lesser charge of "refusing to warm up" is fucking irrelevant - they opted for that because they couldn't prove the gross misconduct 100% (no doubt because a few of his lily livered team mates claimed to have seen and heard nothing).

Whatever mate - jog on.

Tevez was in the wrong that night no question. However when Mancini took off Dzeko and brought on De Jong many City fans would have asked "just how are we going to score with that one?" In hindsight, it may have been tactical genius and Tevez could have been brought on later and scored the goals who knows. Tevez had wanted to play but he just lost it with Mancini because he is a hothead.


I dont support what Tevez did it was wrong on our biggest ever fixture up until then. However I do try and understand what happened and why Tevez did what he did. If communications had been better, (or trust?), we would not have been in that situation.

It would be a pretty boring forum if we all spouted the same tripe.

This is ridiculous. You don't refuse to take the field because you're a bit upset you weren't brought on a few minutes earlier! How can you possibly justify this because of a lack of communication ? This is nonsense beyond reason. What if Balotelli is a bit upset the following week ? He refuses as well, so Bob turns to Tevez again & he says " tough shit boss, you should have picked me to start " so we play fucking Zabba at centre forward as he's the only one willing to come on!!??

Tevez refused to play, he admitted to it after the game & we should have thrown the book at him then. Luckily, the thick bastard has given us another chance.

This is the point , I cannot understand why some Mary white houses of the world want to find a solution in Tevez s favor.....

FUCK HIM...he has done his utmost to destabilize our quest for honours this season and now deserves to be sued and ruined.

this,

[Kladze]

What pisses me off most about those who would 'seek to understand Tevez' is that they totally fail to spot the one salient aspect about Tevez which is actually WORTH understanding.

Here it is :

Tevez is a megalomanic Narcissist.

He misses the beginning of the season because he is unfit and the team copes perfectly well without him. In fact, they score goals like they are going out of fashion and for fun. Clearly, we don't need our erstwhile goal machine any longer.

He is now enraged and, having already expressed a desire to leave (for whatever reason) in the past - and not got his wish - he now actively seeks to engineer that move away by WHATEVER MEANS HE DEEMS NECESSARY. His ability to think rationally is now virtually shot to pieces. He gets away with it once but has now tried it on again.

The end ............

[Dameerto]

[highlight]I'm not sure what I have said you have a problem with? I am trying to understand Tevez's position[/highlight] as well as our own clubs. If you dont like what I say "foe" me.

Understand his position? He has no position.

You've been spouting some right rare old tosh mate (sorry but you have) the worst of which being the suggestion that Tevez might have actually done little wrong on that night in Munich.

We all saw what happened with our own eyes. Virtually NONE of us had even the most remote suspicion that there was anything other than a clear decision on his part NOT to play.

The fact that the club then only found him guilty on the lesser charge of "refusing to warm up" is fucking irrelevant - they opted for that because they couldn't prove the gross misconduct 100% (no doubt because a few of his lily livered team mates claimed to have seen and heard nothing).

Whatever mate - jog on.

Tevez was in the wrong that night no question. However when Mancini took off Dzeko and brought on De Jong many City fans would have asked "just how are we going to score with that one?" In hindsight, it may have been tactical genius and Tevez could have been brought on later and scored the goals who knows. Tevez had wanted to play but he just lost it with Mancini because he is a hothead.

I dont support what Tevez did it was wrong on our biggest ever fixture up until then. However I do try and understand what happened and why Tevez did what he did. If communications had been better, (or trust?), we would not have been in that situation.

It would be a pretty boring forum if we all spouted the same tripe.

Mancini has a history of making his subs in this way - if he isn't forced to make injury subs he doesn't make like-for-like subs in one go, he does them in pairs and brings off an attacker for a more defensive player first, lets the change settle for five or so minutes, then brings on an attacking player for a defensive one to balance up the changes - he is playing chess and ensuring there is the minimum disruption to his formation(or rather maximum defensive cover) while the changes are being made.

[Mark (Blue Army)]

Manchester City have stated on Friday that striker Carlos Tevez has yet to get in touch after going AWOL.

Tevez failed to report for training on Wednesday as expected having flown home to Argentina on Monday.

City have now given the 27-year-old until Monday to report back but as yet have not heard from the player.

"We have asked Carlos to get in touch (on Friday) but have not yet heard from him."

Representatives for Tevez had no comment to make on the matter on Friday.

The latest Tevez controversy comes after it emerged on Tuesday that he would not be appealing against a club fine of two weeks' wages - believed to be around £400,000 - for five breaches of contract.

City found Tevez guilty of misconduct after concluding that he refused to play in the Champions League defeat at Bayern Munich on September 27.

Tuesday had been a scheduled day off for Tevez but, as he had not been selected for international duty, was then expected at training on Wednesday.

[charvet_wonderland]

I felt obliged to close ranks whenever he did the whole ( possibly misquoted) hating Manchester/England thing, but throwing them scarves down after the final was the last straw for me. I've been volleying my cat all over my front room ever since then.

[Plain Speaking]

Interesting article in the Independent regarding Tevez
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 60288.html

"...There was also evidence yesterday of the way that Tevez's conduct may be contributing to disharmony between the club and other players. It is understood that at least two of the small group of reserves the Argentine has been training with – Nedum Ohuoha and Wayne Bridge – were under the impression that they had been granted all of this week off. Ohuoha quickly booked a holiday and Bridge was also preparing not train. But City's coaching staff then indicated that the break which had been allocated to first-team players not on international duty did not include the reserves Ohuoha and Bridge feel that the latest Tevez saga has contributed to their being kept back at Carrington . ..."

It seems Tevez was probably identified as requiring extra fitness training rather than a week off. Tevez probably feels he's entitled to a week break. Onouha and Bridge are no doubt annoyed." Again not ideal communications if players are booking holidays and then told to cancel them.