Herman Won't Contest/AWOL in Argie

[CityGer]

Interesting article in the Independent regarding Tevez
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 60288.html

"...There was also evidence yesterday of the way that Tevez's conduct may be contributing to disharmony between the club and other players. It is understood that at least two of the small group of reserves the Argentine has been training with – Nedum Ohuoha and Wayne Bridge – were under the impression that they had been granted all of this week off. Ohuoha quickly booked a holiday and Bridge was also preparing not train. But City's coaching staff then indicated that the break which had been allocated to first-team players not on international duty did not include the reserves Ohuoha and Bridge feel that the latest Tevez saga has contributed to their being kept back at Carrington . ..."

It seems Tevez was probably identified as requiring extra fitness training rather than a week off. Tevez probably feels he's entitled to a week break. Onouha and Bridge are no doubt annoyed." Again not ideal communications if players are booking holidays and then told to cancel them.

Bridge and Ned can fuck off if they dont like it.

Also, you're a wum.

[Beefymcfc]

Interesting article in the Independent regarding Tevez
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 60288.html

"...There was also evidence yesterday of the way that Tevez's conduct may be contributing to disharmony between the club and other players. It is understood that at least two of the small group of reserves the Argentine has been training with – Nedum Ohuoha and Wayne Bridge – were under the impression that they had been granted all of this week off. Ohuoha quickly booked a holiday and Bridge was also preparing not train. But City's coaching staff then indicated that the break which had been allocated to first-team players not on international duty did not include the reserves Ohuoha and Bridge feel that the latest Tevez saga has contributed to their being kept back at Carrington . ..."

It seems Tevez was probably identified as requiring extra fitness training rather than a week off. Tevez probably feels he's entitled to a week break. Onouha and Bridge are no doubt annoyed." Again not ideal communications if players are booking holidays and then told to cancel them.

It's just a story pal, to fill column inches and by using Bridge and Ned it tries to make it look more credible. There was no confusion, he was told by the CEO, the top man, that he would be working.

The question for me is, why did he go to the CEO in the 1st place?

We know now that whichever way his media spin doctors try to work this story, Carlos has gone AWOL, Gordon (the Cockroach) Taylor's statement proves that.

PS. Are you Kia, or that McCarthy guy, in disguise?

[Plain Speaking]

Guys I hate WUMs and I'm not "anti-City". However there's always 2 sides to every story and I try not to be blinkered. I have just found the whole AWOL story strange. I dont altogether trust Onouha after his dealings with Kia Joorbachian over Cookgate but I rather know the truth than whitewash the story with propaganda.

[Ted Hughes]

Guys I hate WUMs and I'm not "anti-City". However there's always 2 sides to every story and I try not to be blinkered. I have just found the whole AWOL story strange. I dont altogether trust Onouha after his dealings with Kia Joorbachian over Cookgate but I rather know the truth than whitewash the story with propaganda.

What propaganda ? Bridge & Ned thought they may get a week off ? How come they're still training at City & Tevez isn't then ?

[Alex Sapphire]

Guys I hate WUMs and I'm not "anti-City". However there's always 2 sides to every story and I try not to be blinkered. I have just found the whole AWOL story strange. I dont altogether trust Onouha after his dealings with Kia Joorbachian over Cookgate but I rather know the truth than whitewash the story with propaganda.

I think the issue is that there is enough information in the public domain for most on here to see the case as open and shut.
The club has said thet McBeath told him not to go, and that the coaches (not Roberto) had made him aware he needed to be training.
They've also said he went without their consent and that they requested an expanation by the end of yesterday which they now say has not been forthcoming.

It has been public domain for several days that he shouldn't have gone and yet no-one is claiming he made any attempt since then to contact the club. He has not returned.

So it is perfectly reasonable to assume that he must be aware that a) he went without consent, b) he missed training, c) he ignored the clubs request for an explanation and d) is making no effort to solve the "confusion". His teams latest helpful position is that they have "no further comment".

I think you should give it up PS as he is incontrovertibly a selfish tosser

[Beefymcfc]

Plain Speaking.

If you look back through threads on Tevez you will see that I put a few words together regarding how things could've been seen through Carlos' eyes. However, as it suggests, it was just a view how he could've seen it rather than the reality of what was happening and how it was seen by the rest of the world.

The truth is that Carlos has been doing his own thing and has put himself over the club and his team mates. Regardless of how he see's it, and his personal feelings, he is contracted to the club to do a job which he has failed to do. If that was me or you then we'd be either disciplined or sacked, and for me personally, I'd be off to jail.

Seeing things from all sides is good but defending the indefensible and tryinng to put an ever steeper slant on it makes no difference to the facts at hand.

One to note, if his Mrs and kids are now in the UK why has he headed off to Argentina?

So, do you think that Carlos has acted appropriately in all this?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

PS, you mention propaganda, what the fuck do you think the words from T***z' spokesman are, that's right you've got it propaganda. If you're not a WUM you certainly do a good impression of one. Why are you putting stock in T***z' side's spin but not in the club you support?

[zuricity]

Well the beeb have just shown Roberto and gail clichy chatting in abu dhabi at the trails for tomorrows gp. So i'm sure Roberto will be having, if not alredy had, a good chat with the bosses about teves's detention after school and the number of lines he must write.

"i must pay attention to the teacher in class".

[Plain Speaking]

Plain Speaking.

If you look back through threads on Tevez you will see that I put a few words together regarding how things could've been seen through Carlos' eyes. However, as it suggests, it was just a view how he could've seen it rather than the reality of what was happening and how it was seen by the rest of the world.

The truth is that Carlos has been doing his own thing and has put himself over the club and his team mates. Regardless of how he see's it, and his personal feelings, he is contracted to the club to do a job which he has failed to do. If that was me or you then we'd be either disciplined or sacked, and for me personally, I'd be off to jail.

Seeing things from all sides is good but defending the indefensible and tryinng to put an ever steeper slant on it makes no difference to the facts at hand.

One to note, if his Mrs and kids are now in the UK why has he headed off to Argentina?

So, do you think that Carlos has acted appropriately in all this?

Tevez is totally selfish and egotistical as he has gone to Argentina without permission. Clearly he is in the wrong. Reading the Independent article it appears that other "first team players" not involved in international matches have been given the week off. Tevez obviously seems to think he is also entitled to time off. If our club is clearly telling him he must stay to do extra training he may feel agrieved but he should still do it. I would expect a heavy fine and logging of a further misconduct charge.

[Dameerto]

Guys I hate WUMs and I'm not "anti-City". However there's always 2 sides to every story and I try not to be blinkered. I have just found the whole AWOL story strange. I dont altogether trust Onouha after his dealings with Kia Joorbachian over Cookgate but I rather know the truth than whitewash the story with propaganda.

...City are adamant Tevez’s adviser was told by acting chief executive John MacBeath over the weekend the player must stay to train. The club claim this was repeated by Salsano.

He disobeyed instructions to train because he wanted a holiday, now he has to live with the consequences of his actions. If he's man enough to return.

[Dameerto]

Tevez is totally selfish and egotistical as he has gone to Argentina without permission. Clearly he is in the wrong. Reading the Independent article it appears that other "first team players" not involved in international matches have been given the week off. Tevez obviously seems to think he is also entitled to time off. If our club is clearly telling him he must stay to do extra training he may feel agrieved but he should still do it. I would expect a heavy fine and logging of a further misconduct charge.

Ohuaha and Hargreaves were at training on Weds morning because they had been ASKED to be there - Tevez wasn't at training on Weds morning despite being asked to do so - Tevez now faces the consequences of his decision.

[Rag_hater]

I think the ugly cunt has decided that we have been to reasonable with the fucker only fining him and can afford us to sack him and all the legal shit that it is going to entail.Be suprised if the fucker is seen in Manchester again unless he has to go to court.I think he is forcing us to sack him.

[Original Dub]

Its been mentioned a couple of times about "understanding carlos" etc...

Fuck that. Tevez, as most on here know, was one of my favourite players in the world even before he joined us. A total Tevez licker you could say. When he joined us it was an absolute dream come true for me. For him then to go on and become the most lethal striker in european football over two seasons was heaven.

I'm not going to bother going into all the shit that's happened since his initial transfer request, but our club should never have to put up with idiots making a circus out of us because of "mis-understanding".

I said it before when it was Balotelli being a fucking arsehole and causing a lot more harm than good... the only thing to be understood is that these players are being paid MASSIVE amounts of money to be the best they can ON the pitch and not to tarnish our name OFF it.

THEY need to understand that. End of.

[brite blu sky]

Personally I'm all for attempts to try and understand and possibly make some allowances, fuck knows we are all human and all make mistakes.

Continual fucking about to the point of taking the piss does not come into that.

At the point of not coming on the pitch at Bayern all understanding went out of the window with a large lead weight attached to it.

As of that moment that was very clear to all watching there was nothing more to understand. All his attempts at wriggling out of what we saw was just semantic bullshit.

[Hazy2]

I see him holed up in BA and that is that. Paul MackeitupaswegoaalongCarthy fed bollocks to release via his Sunday Supplement cronies, Sadly Vinny appointing Kia Jobsworth is also not gonna help us.

[Ted Hughes]

Where's Wally ?

Any sightings ? Airport ? Gregs ?

[ayrshireblue]

I see him holed up in BA and that is that. Paul MackeitupaswegoaalongCarthy fed bollocks to release via his Sunday Supplement cronies, [highlight]Sadly Vinny appointing Kia Jobsworth is also not gonna help us[/highlight].

Has Kompany now got Joorabchian as his adviser too? Surely an intelligent guy like him can see that this is a bad career move.

[Hazy2]

I see him holed up in BA and that is that. Paul MackeitupaswegoaalongCarthy fed bollocks to release via his Sunday Supplement cronies, [highlight]Sadly Vinny appointing Kia Jobsworth is also not gonna help us[/highlight].

Has Kompany now got Joorabchian as his adviser too? Surely an intelligent guy like him can see that this is a bad career move.

Both Nigel DJ and Vinny use his company along with Ned.

[Plain Speaking]

I see him holed up in BA and that is that. Paul MackeitupaswegoaalongCarthy fed bollocks to release via his Sunday Supplement cronies, [highlight]Sadly Vinny appointing Kia Jobsworth is also not gonna help us[/highlight].

Has Kompany now got Joorabchian as his adviser too? Surely an intelligent guy like him can see that this is a bad career move.

Both Nigel DJ and Vinny use his company along with Ned.

Some months ago one of the older "Bluemoon" posters, (with about 5000 posts?), also said KJ had been trying to give advice to Hart and Silva also. He is not a registered agent.
What truth in it I'm not sure. He seems to try and spread his tentacles wherever he can, for a percentage.

[Mark (Blue Army)]

Are you fucking kidding me, this is the best they could come up with.

"Tevez has a medical certificate stating he is not fit to return to England”