Is Scott Parker As Good As They Say? Really?

[King Kev]

Parker was amazing today. Suggest some of you stop trying to lick kk's ballsack and get your own opinions.

He had a good (not amazing) game in a friendly match, let's not get carried away.

Not as good as the media make out, not as bad as some of the opinions on here.

How's that?

I'd go along with that.

[Ted Hughes]

Parker was amazing today. Suggest some of you stop trying to lick kk's ballsack and get your own opinions.

He had a good (not amazing) game in a friendly match, let's not get carried away.

Not as good as the media make out, not as bad as some of the opinions on here.

How's that?

I'd go along with that.

This is what I'm talking about & his performance yesterday is a prime example. He did well at times in a team geared to suit his kind of play. He also made a couple of really awful mistakes which could have cost us the match. He is being hailed as if he was Platini in his prime.

[Spurge]

If that was motm performance then something somewhere has gone wrong. Directly passed to a Spain player 5 times, twice when there was a simple obvious pass begging that would have released a move. Constantly slow to release the ball, losing the impetous.
Hopeless. Ran around a lot and got a couple of decent challenges in. Far less than Lescott did, it should be pointed out.

If that was what some people call brilliant, I don't know what fucking crap would be!

You clearly don't like the bloke so i suspect it wouldn't matter how he played. I've read enough of your posts to suggest that you know your football so it can only be that you don't like him.

He made a couple of mistakes true, but outweighed heavily by his positive contribution. He had a good game no doubt, he wasn't my motm though - Milner was excellent. Work tate, positional play and ability was top rate.

ITV not surprisinlgy missed his contribution to Englands winner choosing to praise Bent instead. Milners determination and drive to carry the ball down the left flank and with no support, draw the foul and free kick from which he delivered an excellent ball into the box that is a nightmare for defenders to deal with. That typified Milners performance - he could have a very significant impact on the rest of season with City.

[Ted Hughes]

If that was motm performance then something somewhere has gone wrong. Directly passed to a Spain player 5 times, twice when there was a simple obvious pass begging that would have released a move. Constantly slow to release the ball, losing the impetous.
Hopeless. Ran around a lot and got a couple of decent challenges in. Far less than Lescott did, it should be pointed out.

If that was what some people call brilliant, I don't know what fucking crap would be!

You clearly don't like the bloke so i suspect it wouldn't matter how he played. I've read enough of your posts to suggest that you know your football so it can only be that you don't like him.

He made a couple of mistakes true, but outweighed heavily by his positive contribution. He had a good game no doubt, he wasn't my motm though - Milner was excellent. Work tate, positional play and ability was top rate.

ITV not surprisinlgy missed his contribution to Englands winner choosing to praise Bent instead. Milners determination and drive to carry the ball down the left flank and with no support, draw the foul and free kick from which he delivered an excellent ball into the box that is a nightmare for defenders to deal with. That typified Milners performance - he could have a very significant impact on the rest of season with City.

He is describing what actually happened in the real world rather than people's perception of what happened. Parker got in some decent interceptions, one or two decent forward passes & fucked up a fair bit exactly as BBS is describing. I was shouting at the screen on more than one occasion when people like him, Duncan, & even fatty Lampard failed to see the kind of pass we expect our City players to see every time. We are dumbing ourselves down when we elevate limited players like him to a level they are clearly not up to.

I agree with the comments about Milner; he was trying to play the same game as he would at City (proper football) but nobody else was really interested in joining him.

[Spurge]

If that was motm performance then something somewhere has gone wrong. Directly passed to a Spain player 5 times, twice when there was a simple obvious pass begging that would have released a move. Constantly slow to release the ball, losing the impetous.
Hopeless. Ran around a lot and got a couple of decent challenges in. Far less than Lescott did, it should be pointed out.

If that was what some people call brilliant, I don't know what fucking crap would be!

You clearly don't like the bloke so i suspect it wouldn't matter how he played. I've read enough of your posts to suggest that you know your football so it can only be that you don't like him.

He made a couple of mistakes true, but outweighed heavily by his positive contribution. He had a good game no doubt, he wasn't my motm though - Milner was excellent. Work tate, positional play and ability was top rate.

ITV not surprisinlgy missed his contribution to Englands winner choosing to praise Bent instead. Milners determination and drive to carry the ball down the left flank and with no support, draw the foul and free kick from which he delivered an excellent ball into the box that is a nightmare for defenders to deal with. That typified Milners performance - he could have a very significant impact on the rest of season with City.

He is describing what actually happened in the real world rather than people's perception of what happened. Parker got in some decent interceptions, one or two decent forward passes & fucked up a fair bit exactly as BBS is describing. I was shouting at the screen on more than one occasion when people like him, Duncan, & even fatty Lampard failed to see the kind of pass we expect our City players to see every time. We are dumbing ourselves down when we elevate limited players like him to a level they are clearly not up to.

I agree with the comments about Milner; he was trying to play the same game as he would at City (proper football) but nobody else was really interested in joining him.

yes i know what you are suggesting - he's trying to counter balance what he sees as peoples over enthusiasm where parker is concerned. But i think he's gone too far in that direction.

If i had a foot in either camp it would be with those that rave about him. I agree some of it may be misplaced but there is no doubt in my mind that he is a good footballer desrving of his england call up who plays a role that i like, which is often unsung (kevin horlock. Perhaps we are not used to this kind of player being talked about in these terms which is why some are speaking out against.

[Ted Hughes]

If that was motm performance then something somewhere has gone wrong. Directly passed to a Spain player 5 times, twice when there was a simple obvious pass begging that would have released a move. Constantly slow to release the ball, losing the impetous.
Hopeless. Ran around a lot and got a couple of decent challenges in. Far less than Lescott did, it should be pointed out.

If that was what some people call brilliant, I don't know what fucking crap would be!

You clearly don't like the bloke so i suspect it wouldn't matter how he played. I've read enough of your posts to suggest that you know your football so it can only be that you don't like him.

He made a couple of mistakes true, but outweighed heavily by his positive contribution. He had a good game no doubt, he wasn't my motm though - Milner was excellent. Work tate, positional play and ability was top rate.

ITV not surprisinlgy missed his contribution to Englands winner choosing to praise Bent instead. Milners determination and drive to carry the ball down the left flank and with no support, draw the foul and free kick from which he delivered an excellent ball into the box that is a nightmare for defenders to deal with. That typified Milners performance - he could have a very significant impact on the rest of season with City.

He is describing what actually happened in the real world rather than people's perception of what happened. Parker got in some decent interceptions, one or two decent forward passes & fucked up a fair bit exactly as BBS is describing. I was shouting at the screen on more than one occasion when people like him, Duncan, & even fatty Lampard failed to see the kind of pass we expect our City players to see every time. We are dumbing ourselves down when we elevate limited players like him to a level they are clearly not up to.

I agree with the comments about Milner; he was trying to play the same game as he would at City (proper football) but nobody else was really interested in joining him.

yes i know what you are suggesting - he's trying to counter balance what he sees as peoples over enthusiasm where parker is concerned. But i think he's gone too far in that direction.

If i had a foot in either camp it would be with those that rave about him. I agree some of it may be misplaced but there is no doubt in my mind that he is a good footballer desrving of his england call up who plays a role that i like, which is often unsung (kevin horlock. Perhaps we are not used to this kind of player being talked about in these terms which is why some are speaking out against.

Well, I understand the value of such players (I rate Nige & Barry very highly in their contribution to our cause) but, as I've said elsewhere, I think if you have players such as Roy K**** in your team, they do exactly the same job but also score goals & create as well. It's down to a lack of real world class central midfielders that people like Barry & Parker have found a niche.

[Beefymcfc]

I've changed my mind after his performance last night. He is now the best thing since sliced bread and deserves to be now known as the best player.......ever!

I could be lying though.

Well done Joleon Lescott, thought he was a rock at the back. Nearly as good as the best player in the universe, Scottttttyyyyyy Parker.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

If that was motm performance then something somewhere has gone wrong. Directly passed to a Spain player 5 times, twice when there was a simple obvious pass begging that would have released a move. Constantly slow to release the ball, losing the impetous.
Hopeless. Ran around a lot and got a couple of decent challenges in. Far less than Lescott did, it should be pointed out.

If that was what some people call brilliant, I don't know what fucking crap would be!

You clearly don't like the bloke so i suspect it wouldn't matter how he played. I've read enough of your posts to suggest that you know your football so it can only be that you don't like him.

He made a couple of mistakes true, but outweighed heavily by his positive contribution. He had a good game no doubt, he wasn't my motm though - Milner was excellent. Work tate, positional play and ability was top rate.

ITV not surprisinlgy missed his contribution to Englands winner choosing to praise Bent instead. Milners determination and drive to carry the ball down the left flank and with no support, draw the foul and free kick from which he delivered an excellent ball into the box that is a nightmare for defenders to deal with. That typified Milners performance - he could have a very significant impact on the rest of season with City.

He is describing what actually happened in the real world rather than people's perception of what happened. Parker got in some decent interceptions, one or two decent forward passes & fucked up a fair bit exactly as BBS is describing. I was shouting at the screen on more than one occasion when people like him, Duncan, & even fatty Lampard failed to see the kind of pass we expect our City players to see every time. We are dumbing ourselves down when we elevate limited players like him to a level they are clearly not up to.

I agree with the comments about Milner; he was trying to play the same game as he would at City (proper football) but nobody else was really interested in joining him.

yes i know what you are suggesting - he's trying to counter balance what he sees as peoples over enthusiasm where parker is concerned. But i think he's gone too far in that direction.

If i had a foot in either camp it would be with those that rave about him. I agree some of it may be misplaced but there is no doubt in my mind that he is a good footballer desrving of his england call up who plays a role that i like, which is often unsung (kevin horlock. Perhaps we are not used to this kind of player being talked about in these terms which is why some are speaking out against.

Well, I understand the value of such players (I rate Nige & Barry very highly in their contribution to our cause) but, as I've said elsewhere, I think if you have players such as Roy K**** in your team, they do exactly the same job but also score goals & create as well. It's down to a lack of real world class central midfielders that people like Barry & Parker have found a niche.

Agreed, real box to box midfielders eg Vieira in his prime are a dying breed. Yaya Toure is about as close as it gets imo.

[brite blu sky]

If that was motm performance then something somewhere has gone wrong. Directly passed to a Spain player 5 times, twice when there was a simple obvious pass begging that would have released a move. Constantly slow to release the ball, losing the impetous.
Hopeless. Ran around a lot and got a couple of decent challenges in. Far less than Lescott did, it should be pointed out.

If that was what some people call brilliant, I don't know what fucking crap would be!

You clearly don't like the bloke so i suspect it wouldn't matter how he played. I've read enough of your posts to suggest that you know your football so it can only be that you don't like him.

He made a couple of mistakes true, but outweighed heavily by his positive contribution. He had a good game no doubt, he wasn't my motm though - Milner was excellent. Work tate, positional play and ability was top rate.

ITV not surprisinlgy missed his contribution to Englands winner choosing to praise Bent instead. Milners determination and drive to carry the ball down the left flank and with no support, draw the foul and free kick from which he delivered an excellent ball into the box that is a nightmare for defenders to deal with. That typified Milners performance - he could have a very significant impact on the rest of season with City.

Surprisingly I don't dislike Parker at all. Like others though I'd only rate him as a half decent Prem player.
What I do think is that by ramping up the accolades for him and others (read most of the team) the media and england fans are setting themselves up again for a reality check further down the line. Parker is a good example, he just isn't that good and his game is limited.
Watching england play their hearts out v a half hearted Spain it was so obvious that the majority of players are just not that good. But unlike Ireland or to some extent Scotland, England have to big up their players and encourage some kind of star quality instead of focussing on team qualities.
As a team performance I'm not sure I have seen much worse, players constantly doing stuff that made finding a team mate harder not easier. No appreciation of what was around them as they receive the ball and so no ability to gain any momentum by an early ball.
Walcott - i can't even go there, does this kid realise he is not alone on the pitch? I'd estimate he is about 5years away from having the basic savvy to be in a national team. repeat basic. Should be nowhere, nowhere near the national squad.
Bigging up mediocre players does not make them world class. After 30 odd++ years watching football and the attitude to the national team IMO it seems to me that the main problem is pretending or self deluding that the players are world class.. resulting in players like Walcott and AJ believing it... that is a recipe for lazyness, delusion and failure.

Back to Parker, towards the end, england under constant pressure, Lescott does a neat interjection to rob the ball and stride out of defence to set something going and relieve the pressure, lays it to Parker and continues purposefully to stride forward.. his pass was weighted and on the right side of Parker to get the return. Lescott was in loads of space, no Spanish player had reacted or picked him up.. What does the amazing Parker do ? ignores the obvious simple as fuck ball and turns circles into a mass of trouble and loses the ball right in front of his own area, that now doesn't have one of the CBs in position! something Parker would know very well because he had just seen him running forward looking for the return pass. I don't know if Milner was further out on the wing on Lescott's side but it is very probable. 2 very simple passes to a potential break. or minimum of relieving pressure and giving Spain at least something to think about.
That was the worse incident of many times failing to lay the ball off. That is not amazing, brilliant or anywhere near motm. It is more mediocre, average bordering on poor.

[Dameerto]

...Back to Parker, towards the end, england under constant pressure, Lescott does a neat interjection to rob the ball and stride out of defence to set something going and relieve the pressure, lays it to Parker and continues purposefully to stride forward.. his pass was weighted and on the right side of Parker to get the return. Lescott was in loads of space, no Spanish player had reacted or picked him up.. What does the amazing Parker do ? ignores the obvious simple as fuck ball and turns circles into a mass of trouble and loses the ball right in front of his own area, that now doesn't have one of the CBs in position! something Parker would know very well because he had just seen him running forward looking for the return pass. I don't know if Milner was further out on the wing on Lescott's side but it is very probable. 2 very simple passes to a potential break. or minimum of relieving pressure and giving Spain at least something to think about.
That was the worse incident of many times failing to lay the ball off. That is not amazing, brilliant or anywhere near motm. It is more mediocre, average bordering on poor.

I would say that actually showed awareness and intelligence - Lescott looks uncomfortable at best on the ball (as highlighted several times during the match) so Parker looking for another option is the right thing to do.

[Ted Hughes]

...Back to Parker, towards the end, england under constant pressure, Lescott does a neat interjection to rob the ball and stride out of defence to set something going and relieve the pressure, lays it to Parker and continues purposefully to stride forward.. his pass was weighted and on the right side of Parker to get the return. Lescott was in loads of space, no Spanish player had reacted or picked him up.. What does the amazing Parker do ? ignores the obvious simple as fuck ball and turns circles into a mass of trouble and loses the ball right in front of his own area, that now doesn't have one of the CBs in position! something Parker would know very well because he had just seen him running forward looking for the return pass. I don't know if Milner was further out on the wing on Lescott's side but it is very probable. 2 very simple passes to a potential break. or minimum of relieving pressure and giving Spain at least something to think about.
That was the worse incident of many times failing to lay the ball off. That is not amazing, brilliant or anywhere near motm. It is more mediocre, average bordering on poor.

I would say that actually showed awareness and intelligence - Lescott looks uncomfortable at best on the ball (as highlighted several times during the match) so Parker looking for another option is the right thing to do.

Nah, it was fucking hopeless.

[brite blu sky]

...Back to Parker, towards the end, england under constant pressure, Lescott does a neat interjection to rob the ball and stride out of defence to set something going and relieve the pressure, lays it to Parker and continues purposefully to stride forward.. his pass was weighted and on the right side of Parker to get the return. Lescott was in loads of space, no Spanish player had reacted or picked him up.. What does the amazing Parker do ? ignores the obvious simple as fuck ball and turns circles into a mass of trouble and loses the ball right in front of his own area, that now doesn't have one of the CBs in position! something Parker would know very well because he had just seen him running forward looking for the return pass. I don't know if Milner was further out on the wing on Lescott's side but it is very probable. 2 very simple passes to a potential break. or minimum of relieving pressure and giving Spain at least something to think about.
That was the worse incident of many times failing to lay the ball off. That is not amazing, brilliant or anywhere near motm. It is more mediocre, average bordering on poor.

I would say that actually showed awareness and intelligence - Lescott looks uncomfortable at best on the ball (as highlighted several times during the match) so Parker looking for another option is the right thing to do.

If you truly believe that showed awareness and intelligence then I'm afraid it simply says more about you than anything else.
If i was pedantic about it, I'd suggest looking the words up in a dictionary. Honestly mate. Awareness.. ie. what is around you. 3 Spanish players on one side, a team mate in space on the other. i think that would be a large FAIL then. Intelligence. eg. i'll just turn into the 3 of them shall I. yes, I'm starting to see where you are coming from...

[Bridge'srightfoot]

If Parker was a City player everyone on here would be raving about his performance last night saying how he is possibly the most important player etc.

[Dameerto]

...Back to Parker, towards the end, england under constant pressure, Lescott does a neat interjection to rob the ball and stride out of defence to set something going and relieve the pressure, lays it to Parker and continues purposefully to stride forward.. his pass was weighted and on the right side of Parker to get the return. Lescott was in loads of space, no Spanish player had reacted or picked him up.. What does the amazing Parker do ? ignores the obvious simple as fuck ball and turns circles into a mass of trouble and loses the ball right in front of his own area, that now doesn't have one of the CBs in position! something Parker would know very well because he had just seen him running forward looking for the return pass. I don't know if Milner was further out on the wing on Lescott's side but it is very probable. 2 very simple passes to a potential break. or minimum of relieving pressure and giving Spain at least something to think about.
That was the worse incident of many times failing to lay the ball off. That is not amazing, brilliant or anywhere near motm. It is more mediocre, average bordering on poor.

I would say that actually showed awareness and intelligence - Lescott looks uncomfortable at best on the ball (as highlighted several times during the match) so Parker looking for another option is the right thing to do.

If you truly believe that showed awareness and intelligence then I'm afraid it simply says more about you than anything else.
If i was pedantic about it, I'd suggest looking the words up in a dictionary. Honestly mate. Awareness.. ie. what is around you. 3 Spanish players on one side, a team mate in space on the other. i think that would be a large FAIL then. Intelligence. eg. i'll just turn into the 3 of them shall I. yes, I'm starting to see where you are coming from...

Has anyone told you you're a knob? (today, let's narrow it down a bit)

[Spurge]

If that was motm performance then something somewhere has gone wrong. Directly passed to a Spain player 5 times, twice when there was a simple obvious pass begging that would have released a move. Constantly slow to release the ball, losing the impetous.
Hopeless. Ran around a lot and got a couple of decent challenges in. Far less than Lescott did, it should be pointed out.

If that was what some people call brilliant, I don't know what fucking crap would be!

You clearly don't like the bloke so i suspect it wouldn't matter how he played. I've read enough of your posts to suggest that you know your football so it can only be that you don't like him.

He made a couple of mistakes true, but outweighed heavily by his positive contribution. He had a good game no doubt, he wasn't my motm though - Milner was excellent. Work tate, positional play and ability was top rate.

ITV not surprisinlgy missed his contribution to Englands winner choosing to praise Bent instead. Milners determination and drive to carry the ball down the left flank and with no support, draw the foul and free kick from which he delivered an excellent ball into the box that is a nightmare for defenders to deal with. That typified Milners performance - he could have a very significant impact on the rest of season with City.

Surprisingly I don't dislike Parker at all. Like others though I'd only rate him as a half decent Prem player.
What I do think is that by ramping up the accolades for him and others (read most of the team) the media and england fans are setting themselves up again for a reality check further down the line. Parker is a good example, he just isn't that good and his game is limited.
Watching england play their hearts out v a half hearted Spain it was so obvious that the majority of players are just not that good. But unlike Ireland or to some extent Scotland, England have to big up their players and encourage some kind of star quality instead of focussing on team qualities.
As a team performance I'm not sure I have seen much worse, players constantly doing stuff that made finding a team mate harder not easier. No appreciation of what was around them as they receive the ball and so no ability to gain any momentum by an early ball.
Walcott - i can't even go there, does this kid realise he is not alone on the pitch? I'd estimate he is about 5years away from having the basic savvy to be in a national team. repeat basic. Should be nowhere, nowhere near the national squad.
Bigging up mediocre players does not make them world class. After 30 odd++ years watching football and the attitude to the national team IMO it seems to me that the main problem is pretending or self deluding that the players are world class.. resulting in players like Walcott and AJ believing it... that is a recipe for lazyness, delusion and failure.

Back to Parker, towards the end, england under constant pressure, Lescott does a neat interjection to rob the ball and stride out of defence to set something going and relieve the pressure, lays it to Parker and continues purposefully to stride forward.. his pass was weighted and on the right side of Parker to get the return. Lescott was in loads of space, no Spanish player had reacted or picked him up.. What does the amazing Parker do ? ignores the obvious simple as fuck ball and turns circles into a mass of trouble and loses the ball right in front of his own area, that now doesn't have one of the CBs in position! something Parker would know very well because he had just seen him running forward looking for the return pass. I don't know if Milner was further out on the wing on Lescott's side but it is very probable. 2 very simple passes to a potential break. or minimum of relieving pressure and giving Spain at least something to think about.
That was the worse incident of many times failing to lay the ball off. That is not amazing, brilliant or anywhere near motm. It is more mediocre, average bordering on poor.

You don't know if Milner was out on the left when Parker fucked up? I'm not sure Milner was on the pitch at the time?

Agree in some respects about walcott he was anonymous and is far too inconsistent. Were Spain really as disinterested as you suggest? I'm not sure of that, mid way through the second half a few challenges went in which suggested they were up for it and the flurry of yellow cards which ensued would support this.

I'm not a big England fan by any stretch it's all about City for me, and I've been critical of Englands attitude in the past both of players and coaching staff, but credit where it's due I thought they did a job last night and fair play to them I cannot concure with much of what you say where last night is concerned.

[brite blu sky]

You don't know if Milner was out on the left when Parker fucked up? I'm not sure Milner was on the pitch at the time?

Agree in some respects about walcott he was anonymous and is far too inconsistent. Were Spain really as disinterested as you suggest? I'm not sure of that, mid way through the second half a few challenges went in which suggested they were up for it and the flurry of yellow cards which ensued would support this.

I'm not a big England fan by any stretch it's all about City for me, and I've been critical of Englands attitude in the past both of players and coaching staff, but credit where it's due I thought they did a job last night and fair play to them I cannot concure with much of what you say where last night is concerned.

Fair enough, it is after all a matter of opinion. I'm not an england fan, I prefer the dirt and guts of the Eire team anyday tbh. I do think that if england were in a competitive match v Spain they would get absolutely mullered. Judging from the hype following that friendly england are in danger of going down the tried and tested path of believing themselves. All I'm saying is they are crap with overhyped players selected and kids who are going to now get overhyped too. Been here before have we?

[brite blu sky]

Has anyone told you you're a knob? (today, let's narrow it down a bit)

I take it that's admitting your argument was about as dumb as Parker is intelligent then ?

[Dameerto]

Has anyone told you you're a knob? (today, let's narrow it down a bit)

I take it that's admitting your argument was about as dumb as Parker is intelligent then ?

It's impossible to 'discuss' something with someone such as you - so I sink to your level.

[Spurge]

You don't know if Milner was out on the left when Parker fucked up? I'm not sure Milner was on the pitch at the time?

Agree in some respects about walcott he was anonymous and is far too inconsistent. Were Spain really as disinterested as you suggest? I'm not sure of that, mid way through the second half a few challenges went in which suggested they were up for it and the flurry of yellow cards which ensued would support this.

I'm not a big England fan by any stretch it's all about City for me, and I've been critical of Englands attitude in the past both of players and coaching staff, but credit where it's due I thought they did a job last night and fair play to them I cannot concure with much of what you say where last night is concerned.

Fair enough, it is after all a matter of opinion. I'm not an england fan, I prefer the dirt and guts of the Eire team anyday tbh. I do think that if england were in a competitive match v Spain they would get absolutely mullered. Judging from the hype following that friendly england are in danger of going down the tried and tested path of believing themselves. All I'm saying is they are crap with overhyped players selected and kids who are going to now get overhyped too. Been here before have we?

i don't disagree with any of the above - the media play a massive role in effecting much of what you say, we've certainly been here before more than once!!!

[Kladze]

Many questions have been raised in this thread but let me raise a very salient one .........


Why the fuck do we have a 6 page thread about Scott Parker?

Must be a verrrrrry slow week.