****Official other PL games this weekend***

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Good on Ade for getting a double, but he should have scored 4.

The chance he missed when one-on-one against Given in the second half, after being put through by Modric, was awful

He does look terrible at times but when you look at him & Bellamy this weekend then consider we had Jo instead of both last season, it really does seem odd.

Adebayor on form ( not that often granted) is one of the best strikers around, almost unplayable. Shame it didn't work out for him here, he's so talented.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

Villa looked like I do when I turn up for work - totally uninterested.

Shame on them.

[freshie]

Good on Ade for getting a double, but he should have scored 4.

The chance he missed when one-on-one against Given in the second half, after being put through by Modric, was awful

He does look terrible at times but when you look at him & Bellamy this weekend then consider we had Jo instead of both last season, it really does seem odd.

Adebayor on form ( not that often granted) is one of the best strikers around, almost unplayable. Shame it didn't work out for him here, he's so talented.

It's a pity that the good form only lasted one season, a few years ago when he was at Arsenal. If he is so talented, as you say, why has it not worked out for him?

[Ted Hughes]

Good on Ade for getting a double, but he should have scored 4.

The chance he missed when one-on-one against Given in the second half, after being put through by Modric, was awful

He does look terrible at times but when you look at him & Bellamy this weekend then consider we had Jo instead of both last season, it really does seem odd.

Adebayor on form ( not that often granted) is one of the best strikers around, almost unplayable. Shame it didn't work out for him here, he's so talented.

It's a pity that the good form only lasted one season, a few years ago when he was at Arsenal. If he is so talented, as you say, why has it not worked out for him?

It has on the whole. It's just that we stopped playing him. He was never really as bad as people made out. He had an iffy season for Arsenal but he did ok for us & Real Madrid & now Spurs. He's no Aguero but he's a bigger handful & better than 90% of the other team's strikers, including Wellback etc imo.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Good on Ade for getting a double, but he should have scored 4.

The chance he missed when one-on-one against Given in the second half, after being put through by Modric, was awful

He does look terrible at times but when you look at him & Bellamy this weekend then consider we had Jo instead of both last season, it really does seem odd.

Adebayor on form ( not that often granted) is one of the best strikers around, almost unplayable. Shame it didn't work out for him here, he's so talented.

It's a pity that the good form only lasted one season, a few years ago when he was at Arsenal. If he is so talented, as you say, why has it not worked out for him?

Well he's not done too badly has he? Was brilliant at times for Arsenal and has been very good for Spurs. He's had off field problems but one thing no one doubts is his ability with a football.

[freshie]

Well he's not done too badly has he? Was brilliant at times for Arsenal and has been very good for Spurs. He's had off field problems but one thing no one doubts is his ability with a football.

I'm not convinced. I definitely wouldn't want him back at City. Spuds can keep him as far as I'm concerned

[bigblue]

Good on Ade for getting a double, but he should have scored 4.

The chance he missed when one-on-one against Given in the second half, after being put through by Modric, was awful

He does look terrible at times but when you look at him & Bellamy this weekend then consider we had Jo instead of both last season, it really does seem odd.

Not too odd when you look at the results of our season. Think everyone should know it by now, but Mancini places the utmost value on a cohesive squad that plays to his system. Ade and Bellamy have skill and pace on the ball, but I'm not convinced that they were ever willing to alter the way they play to fit the Mancini system (and that includes their defensive positioning and decisions on the ball, not just their effort level). He even criticizes AJ for not tracking back in the correct positions after getting a goal and assist as a sub. But Mancini's way seems to work wonders

[Ted Hughes]

Good on Ade for getting a double, but he should have scored 4.

The chance he missed when one-on-one against Given in the second half, after being put through by Modric, was awful

He does look terrible at times but when you look at him & Bellamy this weekend then consider we had Jo instead of both last season, it really does seem odd.

Not too odd when you look at the results of our season. Think everyone should know it by now, but Mancini places the utmost value on a cohesive squad that plays to his system. Ade and Bellamy have skill and pace on the ball, but I'm not convinced that they were ever willing to alter the way they play to fit the Mancini system (and that includes their defensive positioning and decisions on the ball, not just their effort level). He even criticizes AJ for not tracking back in the correct positions after getting a goal and assist as a sub. But Mancini's way seems to work wonders

Bellamy wouldn't graft but Jo would ?

Interesting concept. Utter bollocks by any kind of rational thought process but interesting nontheless.

[bigblue]

Good on Ade for getting a double, but he should have scored 4.

The chance he missed when one-on-one against Given in the second half, after being put through by Modric, was awful

He does look terrible at times but when you look at him & Bellamy this weekend then consider we had Jo instead of both last season, it really does seem odd.

Not too odd when you look at the results of our season. Think everyone should know it by now, but Mancini places the utmost value on a cohesive squad that plays to his system. Ade and Bellamy have skill and pace on the ball, but I'm not convinced that they were ever willing to alter the way they play to fit the Mancini system (and that includes their defensive positioning and decisions on the ball, not just their effort level). He even criticizes AJ for not tracking back in the correct positions after getting a goal and assist as a sub. But Mancini's way seems to work wonders

Bellamy wouldn't graft but Jo would ?

Interesting concept. Utter bollocks by any kind of rational thought process but interesting nontheless.

You'd think that by replying, you'd actually put an ounce of thought into your reply. I think it's exactly the case that "Bellamy wouldn't graft but Jo would". Just because he sucks skill wise, doesnt mean he didn't try to do the tactical job Mancini says. Also, how many times did Jo play after january once we got dzeko? Almost none.

Based on what you post, you're way too self assured in your own opinions.

[Ted Hughes]

You'd think that by replying, you'd actually put an ounce of thought into your reply. I think it's exactly the case that "Bellamy wouldn't graft but Jo would". Just because he sucks sill wise, doesnt mean he didn't try to do the tactical job Mancini says. Also, how many times did Jo play after january once we got dzeko? Almost none.

Based on what you post, you're way too self assured in your own opinions.

I'm pretty fucking sure about that one & I recon even the most violent Bellamy haters would agree he puts more of a shift in walking to his car than Jo ever did on the pitch. Your comment is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on the internet.

[bigblue]

You'd think that by replying, you'd actually put an ounce of thought into your reply. I think it's exactly the case that "Bellamy wouldn't graft but Jo would". Just because he sucks sill wise, doesnt mean he didn't try to do the tactical job Mancini says. Also, how many times did Jo play after january once we got dzeko? Almost none.

Based on what you post, you're way too self assured in your own opinions.

I'm pretty fucking sure about that one & I recon even the most violent Bellamy haters would agree he puts more of a shift in walking to his car than Jo ever did on the pitch. Your comment is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on the internet.

Did Jo ever cost us a game? Did he get us knocked out of a cup? You make it seem like without Jo we'd have won the league last year. Meanwhile, Craig had a quite average season playing in the championship. A player can have one good season for us, and all of a suddent people think that he can keep the same form as he gets into his 30s with knee problems. Not to mention that bellamy any was a stark Hughes supporter, which couldn't have endeared him to Mancini. He also didn't want to/was physically unable to follow Mancini's training regime. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

It's a mystery to me that this is so mind boggling to you.

Edit: it's also not simply "putting in a shift" that I was talking about and if you read my comment at all you'd have known that:

and that includes their defensive positioning and decisions on the ball, not just their effort level

And its hard to know the tactical side of your team's game if you can only train every two or three days.

[Ted Hughes]

You'd think that by replying, you'd actually put an ounce of thought into your reply. I think it's exactly the case that "Bellamy wouldn't graft but Jo would". Just because he sucks sill wise, doesnt mean he didn't try to do the tactical job Mancini says. Also, how many times did Jo play after january once we got dzeko? Almost none.

Based on what you post, you're way too self assured in your own opinions.

I'm pretty fucking sure about that one & I recon even the most violent Bellamy haters would agree he puts more of a shift in walking to his car than Jo ever did on the pitch. Your comment is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on the internet.

Did Jo ever cost us a game? Did he get us knocked out of a cup? You make it seem like without Jo we'd have won the league last year. Meanwhile, Craig had a quite average season playing in the championship. A player can have one good season for us, and all of a suddent people think that he can keep the same form as he gets into his 30s with knee problems. Not to mention that bellamy any was a stark Hughes supporter, which couldn't have endeared him to Mancini. He also didn't want to/was physically unable to follow Mancini's training regime. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

It's a mystery to me that this is so mind boggling to you.

Edit: it's also not simply "putting in a shift" that I was talking about and if you read my comment at all you'd have known that:

and that includes their defensive positioning and decisions on the ball, not just their effort level

And its hard to know the tactical side of your team's game if you can only train every two or three days.

I agree that there was a personality clash with Bellamy but imo it could have been solved & we could have made good use of him. The fact that we did well without him does not mean it was because of that paticular decision, or that it was the best course of action.

However, if you think Jo was tactically adept, worked hard & made good decisions on the ball then you have no fucking idea what you are looking at on a football pitch.

[bigblue]

However, if you think Jo was tactically adept, worked hard & made good decisions on the ball then you have no fucking idea what you are looking at on a football pitch.

Don't think Jo was that tactically adept, he could just mindlessly follow Mancini's shouts from the sideline. Also, the only tension that he'd cause in the dressing room would be from jealously of his silky samba skills.

[Dameerto]

I still maintain Jo's silky dancing skills taught Tevez how to dance through defences.

[carl_feedthegoat]

You'd think that by replying, you'd actually put an ounce of thought into your reply. I think it's exactly the case that "Bellamy wouldn't graft but Jo would". Just because he sucks sill wise, doesnt mean he didn't try to do the tactical job Mancini says. Also, how many times did Jo play after january once we got dzeko? Almost none.

Based on what you post, you're way too self assured in your own opinions.

I'm pretty fucking sure about that one & I recon even the most violent Bellamy haters would agree he puts more of a shift in walking to his car than Jo ever did on the pitch. Your comment is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on the internet.

Did Jo ever cost us a game? Did he get us knocked out of a cup? You make it seem like without Jo we'd have won the league last year. Meanwhile, Craig had a quite average season playing in the championship. A player can have one good season for us, and all of a suddent people think that he can keep the same form as he gets into his 30s with knee problems. Not to mention that bellamy any was a stark Hughes supporter, which couldn't have endeared him to Mancini. He also didn't want to/was physically unable to follow Mancini's training regime. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

It's a mystery to me that this is so mind boggling to you.

Edit: it's also not simply "putting in a shift" that I was talking about and if you read my comment at all you'd have known that:

and that includes their defensive positioning and decisions on the ball, not just their effort level

And its hard to know the tactical side of your team's game if you can only train every two or three days.

I agree that there was a personality clash with Bellamy but imo it could have been solved & we could have made good use of him. The fact that we did well without him does not mean it was because of that paticular decision, or that it was the best course of action.

However, if you think Jo was tactically adept, worked hard & made good decisions on the ball then you have no fucking idea what you are looking at on a football pitch.

I think Mancini got rid of Bellamy for one reason and one reason only - he has dodgy knees and cannot be relied upon.

Mancini can handle any personality imo...not sure some can handle his but I'm sure the above reason is why bellers isn't with us anymore.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

There's some quotes doing the rounds from Bellers today ( The M*rr*r I think ) in which he's discussing the difference between the style of play of Benitez and Dalglish. He's more or less saying that Benitez' counter attacking style didn't suit him and that Kenny's free flowing football does.

I do believe that was the crux of the problem between him and Mancini. I tend to agree with what Bigblue is saying that Bellamy despite being an excellent player and one hell of a grafter hasn't got the discipline to play comfortably in a strictly drilled team. Essentially he wouldn't do what Mancini asked of him. Just my opinion.

[brite blu sky]

There's some quotes doing the rounds from Bellers today ( The M*rr*r I think ) in which he's discussing the difference between the style of play of Benitez and Dalglish. He's more or less saying that Benitez' counter attacking style didn't suit him and that Kenny's free flowing football does.

I do believe that was the crux of the problem between him and Mancini. I tend to agree with what Bigblue is saying that Bellamy despite being an excellent player and one hell of a grafter hasn't got the discipline to play comfortably in a strictly drilled team. Essentially he wouldn't do what Mancini asked of him. Just my opinion.

That's my take with most of the players that have left or been sidelined, basically couldn't or wouldn't do what was needed to create what we are seeing now.
Some say that some players didn't get a chance, but that is only in games, Mancini and the staff are assessing what they see in training and if someone doesn't do it in training it is somewhat unlikely they will suddenly do what he wants in a game.
Jo..well he was just what was left and at least tried to do what was asked. Truth be told though he was really just making up numbers tbh we may as well have played with 10 players on the whole.

[Ted Hughes]

There's some quotes doing the rounds from Bellers today ( The M*rr*r I think ) in which he's discussing the difference between the style of play of Benitez and Dalglish. He's more or less saying that Benitez' counter attacking style didn't suit him and that Kenny's free flowing football does.

I do believe that was the crux of the problem between him and Mancini. I tend to agree with what Bigblue is saying that Bellamy despite being an excellent player and one hell of a grafter hasn't got the discipline to play comfortably in a strictly drilled team. Essentially he wouldn't do what Mancini asked of him. Just my opinion.

That's my take with most of the players that have left or been sidelined, basically couldn't or wouldn't do what was needed to create what we are seeing now.
Some say that some players didn't get a chance, but that is only in games, Mancini and the staff are assessing what they see in training and if someone doesn't do it in training it is somewhat unlikely they will suddenly do what he wants in a game.
Jo..well he was just what was left and at least tried to do what was asked. Truth be told though he was really just making up numbers tbh we may as well have played with 10 players on the whole.

I recon Bellamy was already doing exactly what Bob wants such players to do now, before Bob even got here.

[carl_feedthegoat]

There's some quotes doing the rounds from Bellers today ( The M*rr*r I think ) in which he's discussing the difference between the style of play of Benitez and Dalglish. He's more or less saying that Benitez' counter attacking style didn't suit him and that Kenny's free flowing football does.

I do believe that was the crux of the problem between him and Mancini. I tend to agree with what Bigblue is saying that Bellamy despite being an excellent player and one hell of a grafter hasn't got the discipline to play comfortably in a strictly drilled team. Essentially he wouldn't do what Mancini asked of him. Just my opinion.

That's my take with most of the players that have left or been sidelined, basically couldn't or wouldn't do what was needed to create what we are seeing now.
Some say that some players didn't get a chance, but that is only in games, Mancini and the staff are assessing what they see in training and if someone doesn't do it in training it is somewhat unlikely they will suddenly do what he wants in a game.
Jo..well he was just what was left and at least tried to do what was asked. Truth be told though he was really just making up numbers tbh we may as well have played with 10 players on the whole.

I recon Bellamy was already doing exactly what Bob wants such players to do now, before Bob even got here.

Bob has been quoted as saying he doesn't want a player that can only be available now and again... that's the crux of the matter, which in all fairness is quite right in a club like ours.

[bigblue]

I recon Bellamy was already doing exactly what Bob wants such players to do now, before Bob even got here.

Now that is the most mind-boggling/clueless statement I've read on here in awhile.

1. He may have supposedly been doing it before bob got here but not during.
2. What Bob wants from his players now isn't the same as what he wanted a year ago (set the foundation then build going forward)
3. Why would you think that was the case if Bob locked him out?
4. That wasn't the case