Tevez

[Dameerto]

There is no logic in a player deciding to make himself unavailable for selection - then using his non-selection as a way to get out of his contract - absolutely no logic at all. I don't need to be a lawyer to see that.

[Beefymcfc]

Perhaps your are right - but I do not think so.

The appropriate FIFA article (15) is a total untested grey area. and both parties will be wanting to be careful to not be the ones to be seen to provide the other with a burden of proof.

There are 2 areas of proof that would allow Tevez to 'simply walk away from his contract'

1/ has he played in less that 10% of matches - well that is clearly in his favour - Why is this in his favour when he clearly wasn't fit and then did one, not allowing us to play him? I think you'll find that even if tested, there'd be no chance in hell that he could prove anything other than he wasn't able to play that 10%, by is own admission.

2/ is he a recognised established player for the club - that also is clearly in his favour - Yes he was, but not this year once he turned up doing his Tele-tubby impression. FIFA/UEFA would never back any of those claims, never mind a court of law.

Sorry Beefy - whilst I am totally behind you as a fan - this is not how regulations and law works

The PFA support for Tevez fucked us - we now will (even if we fans hate it) find the best way out and they will win - I will buy many pints in the Townley if I am wrong on this - but I will not be (IMO)

You have your points mate but I just don't believe they are right. On both points you say about 10%/establishedplayer but when you look into it then once you take away the games he was unavailable for due to being fat or AWOL you'll probably find that he played in more than 1 in 10 games in readiness to bring him back into the 1st team.

I'm not saying we are going to get the best deal out of Tevez but I'm sure we will at least get a reach-round whilst getting dry bummed.

We'll see mate.

[zuricity]

Enjoy those pints Beefy

[mcfc1632]

There is no logic in a player deciding to make himself unavailable for selection - then using his non-selection as a way to get out of his contract - absolutely no logic at all. I don't need to be a lawyer to see that.

I know how it feels - but as someone that speaks on a regular (weekly) basis to experts in eurpoean law - most of the comments on here are just (understandable) fan 'desire' for what is right - but sorry that does not work in law

Given:

a) it has been 'proven' and 'accepted by CITY' that he did not refuse to play in Munich and
b) the extenuating circumstances that his 'advisors/legal team' can claim to be present in this situation that meant his position was 'untenable' - caused by CITY - and thereby justifying his return to Argentina (from their view)

.......well frankly, as much as it hurts - I cannot see them losing - as much as I fucking hate it!!!

We will settle - and I would fucking love to be wrong - but unfortunately I will not be

[Dameerto]

There is no logic in a player deciding to make himself unavailable for selection - then using his non-selection as a way to get out of his contract - absolutely no logic at all. I don't need to be a lawyer to see that.

I know how it feels - but as someone that speaks on a regular (weekly) basis to experts in eurpoean law - most of the comments on here are just (understandable) fan 'desire' for what is right - but sorry that does not work in law

Given:

a) it has been 'proven' and 'accepted by CITY' that he did not refuse to play in Munich and
b) the extenuating circumstances that his 'advisors/legal team' can claim to be present in this situation the meant his position was 'untenable' - caused by CITY - and thereby justifying his return to Argentina (from their view)

.......well frankly, as much as it hurts - I cannot see them losing - as much as I fucking hate it!!!

We will settle - and I would fucking love to be wrong - but unfortunately I will not be

Sorry mate, but you couldn't be more wrong.

[mcfc1632]

Perhaps your are right - but I do not think so.

The appropriate FIFA article (15) is a total untested grey area. and both parties will be wanting to be careful to not be the ones to be seen to provide the other with a burden of proof.

There are 2 areas of proof that would allow Tevez to 'simply walk away from his contract'

1/ has he played in less that 10% of matches - well that is clearly in his favour - Why is this in his favour when he clearly wasn't fit and then did one, not allowing us to play him? I think you'll find that even if tested, there'd be no chance in hell that he could prove anything other than he wasn't able to play that 10%, by is own admission.

2/ is he a recognised established player for the club - that also is clearly in his favour - Yes he was, but not this year once he turned up doing his Tele-tubby impression. FIFA/UEFA would never back any of those claims, never mind a court of law.

Sorry Beefy - whilst I am totally behind you as a fan - this is not how regulations and law works

The PFA support for Tevez fucked us - we now will (even if we fans hate it) find the best way out and they will win - I will buy many pints in the Townley if I am wrong on this - but I will not be (IMO)

You have your points mate but I just don't believe they are right. On both points you say about 10%/establishedplayer but when you look into it then once you take away the games he was unavailable for due to being fat or AWOL you'll probably find that he played in more than 1 in 10 games in readiness to bring him back into the 1st team.

I'm not saying we are going to get the best deal out of Tevez but I'm sure we will at least get a reach-round whilst getting dry bummed.

We'll see mate.

again mate - want to be wrong and hope you are right

But given the level of doubt I expect CITY to settle and 'move on' - in law it is all about 'judgements' and I would think that in area so untested CITY will 'bail out' if we get an 'half' sensible offer.

sorry - we 'morally' have a very strong hand - but 'legally' a weak one - so please MCFC fans do not get pissed off at CITY management when we seem to act weakly - of course IMO

[mcfc1632]

There is no logic in a player deciding to make himself unavailable for selection - then using his non-selection as a way to get out of his contract - absolutely no logic at all. I don't need to be a lawyer to see that.

I know how it feels - but as someone that speaks on a regular (weekly) basis to experts in eurpoean law - most of the comments on here are just (understandable) fan 'desire' for what is right - but sorry that does not work in law

Given:

a) it has been 'proven' and 'accepted by CITY' that he did not refuse to play in Munich and
b) the extenuating circumstances that his 'advisors/legal team' can claim to be present in this situation the meant his position was 'untenable' - caused by CITY - and thereby justifying his return to Argentina (from their view)

.......well frankly, as much as it hurts - I cannot see them losing - as much as I fucking hate it!!!

We will settle - and I would fucking love to be wrong - but unfortunately I will not be

Sorry mate, but you couldn't be more wrong.

would love to think so - but please expand on the reasons why to give me reason to hope...........

I am not supporting the twat - and want to be wrong - but much experience tells me I will not be

[Dameerto]

My original point stands - one thing I DO know about English law is that it doesn't defy logic.

[Dameerto]

Given:

a) it has been 'proven' and 'accepted by CITY' that he did not refuse to play in Munich and
b) the extenuating circumstances that his 'advisors/legal team' can claim to be present in this situation the meant his position was 'untenable' - caused by CITY - and thereby justifying his return to Argentina (from their view)

These are the bits I see as wrong. using your own words, and the statement released by our club, "It's been 'proven' and 'accepted by Tevez' that he refused to participate in a match in which the player was selected to play for the club when directed by a club official." (Warming up obviously counts as participation in a match).

Your second point is speculation and I disagree with it.

[Beeks]

@StuBrennanMEN Mancini rules out any loan deal for Tevez, which kills AC Milan's hope of six month loan followed by £17million buy

[carl_feedthegoat]

@StuBrennanMEN Mancini rules out any loan deal for Tevez, which kills AC Milan's hope of six month loan followed by £17million buy

Excellent..I hope we fuck him about like never before..the little turd.

[bigblue]

@StuBrennanMEN Mancini rules out any loan deal for Tevez, which kills AC Milan's hope of six month loan followed by £17million buy

Excellent..I hope we fuck him about like never before..the little turd.

We should keep "allowing" him to talk to different clubs, only to kill the deal once he agrees personal terms. Build up hope then squash it out, over and over and over again

[Beeks]

I'm so fucking glad it's not going to be a loan

We've just volleyed it back into their court

[Ted Hughes]

Inter have just ruled themselves out of any Tevez deal. If AC only want him on loan, then unless Corinthians come back with a big cash offer, (unlikely) it looks like he'll still be here in the summer. Cue huge disciplinary proceedures for this latest Argentina strop imo.

[john@staustell]

You have to marvel at the cheek of these Italians, time after time.

"It will be a loan with no fee payable" - Yeah right!

[Beeks]

You have to marvel at the cheek of these Italians, time after time.

"It will be a loan with no fee payable" - Yeah right!

To be fair..they have Palles

[mcfc1632]

Given:

a) it has been 'proven' and 'accepted by CITY' that he did not refuse to play in Munich and
b) the extenuating circumstances that his 'advisors/legal team' can claim to be present in this situation the meant his position was 'untenable' - caused by CITY - and thereby justifying his return to Argentina (from their view)

These are the bits I see as wrong. using your own words, and the statement released by our club, "It's been 'proven' and 'accepted by Tevez' that he refused to participate in a match in which the player was selected to play for the club when directed by a club official." (Warming up obviously counts as participation in a match).

Your second point is speculation and I disagree with it.

I understand and it is probably best to let matters take their course and see what happens in a few weeks.

Re the 2 points I made - just to add more context. On the first what I menat was that the outcome of the Munich incident is that there has been settlement reached based on the 'refused to further warm up....' A penalty has been accepted by the player and that matter is done - simple as that - it is over. There cannot be any further reference to it in a court of law - the judgement would simply be that established procedures have been undertaken etc.

On the 2nd point - I fully agree that it is speculation and if there was to be a court case this is where there would have to be a judgement.

So what are the factors?? On our side would be OUR claim that he has gone back without permission etc and has therefore made himself unavailable. This hand is strengthened by the Gordon Taylor comments on his disappearence.

In the Tevez corner would be the arguments that his position has been made untenable - especially comments from the 1st team boss etc. There are all sorts of situations where the environment in the workplace can lead to judgements that would be sympathetic to Tevez's position. I think that we made a (contractual) mistake by making him have to continue training alone.

I think that we could win on this one - but I do not think that we will take it that far and then having a drawn out legal action. Someone in the CITY top team has to make a call - I think that it will be to take the best deal we can and get rid - but that is just IMO

I think that we will end up doing some deal - and as part of Tevez's agreement to get off our books will be an undertaking that there is no further legal pursuit.

[dazby]

Inter always rule themselves out- that's how they operate. They lie.

[Chopper]

10 million plus Milito would be fair.

[Beefymcfc]

There you go Galliani, you got your answer now fuck off!

“We received an answer. You all know the situation,” Milan’s Vice President and Chief Executive Adriano Galliani told Sky Sport 24 on Saturday. “Manchester City want to sell the player outright, while we want him on loan with the right to buy. We are a big club and if players do well then we take up their options.

“It’s true that Paris Saint-Germain are looking at the Argentine now as well, so I think it will be a bit of a long negotiation process. I spoke to [PSG Sporting Director] Leonardo and he told me the President of PSG is interested in Tevez. In any case, I don’t want to make any predictions on the outcome of the negotiations, as there were many clubs on Tevez, including some Italians, an English side and Paris-Saint Germain.

“We have already received City’s response to our offer and they are asking for the player to be signed outright, so I hope to convince them to accept our proposal. Tevez looks set to come to us and it’s usually important to have the will of the player: I think it will be long negotiations, but in 25 years I have seen everything on the market. I will do everything possible and impossible to bring him, but the operation is difficult. If Tevez does not arrive, then we have a basic agreement with Catania for Maxi Lopez,” he added.