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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:27 pm

Funny as fuck, a Manc comes on TS and says it's a learning curve for us and we're not happy about going out but basically proud of wha we've done. Some, well, bloke from God knows where comes on and blames Rooney for their demise and says that the City fan is right - they're gash. Got a scouse'ish Rag on now telling us how Young has been found out.

It's making me smile anyway.





PS. I'm using this thread as a comfort blanket, cheers Paddy ;-)
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby bigblue » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:39 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Got a scouse'ish Rag on now telling us how Young has been found out.


You can only like off media hype for so long. He was slightly above average at Villa, don't know why rags thought he had become incredible over night
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Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:42 pm

I wonder if that syrup's a bit to tight on Shrek, he seems to be uptight everytime he shoots.
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby bigblue » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:01 pm

Vidic out for a long time, they have to play johnny fucking evans. hahahaha

they already suck in defense and now they're thoroughly fucked
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Postby Dronny » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:13 am

You've got to laugh that they couldn't get out out of the Group of Life
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Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:18 am

So many wake up calls at the swamp recently they won't be getting any sleep at all :)
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Postby PeterParker » Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:07 am

Dronny wrote:You've got to laugh that they couldn't get out out of the Group of Life


What we saw last night was a "proof" how they won on Villa Park. It's a shame there aren't friendly managers in Europe, like the ones in Premiership.
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby feedthegreek » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:14 pm

read the comments on this link, some scum fans know whats going on.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... 5#comments
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby bigblue » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:59 pm

for those saying no media bias, take a gander at two articles from the same national paper:

taggart in transition:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... x-ferguson

Mancini not good enough:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ester-city

fair play to most of the comments for getting it right. And a warning to not read the 2nd article unless you like to feel angry
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Postby Dameerto » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:02 pm

Oh god those comments are really brightening my day up
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Postby Tokyo Blue » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:34 am

Dronny wrote:You've got to laugh that they couldn't get out out of the Group of Life

They got out, just through the wrong door.

And aren't they taking it well? :-)
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby feedthegreek » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:59 pm

honest question, why when even scum fans know their dogshit do all the media outlets
keep bigging them up and seem afraid to ruin them when they have chance to.
i mean hansen scouser
lawrenson scouser
shearer geordie
dixon city fan
lineker leicester
spurs
everton
barcelona.

youd think they would revel in their demise its actually beyond belief.
youd think scum were blackmailing them to keep it quiet.
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby bigblue » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:45 pm

Interesting fact

Scum goals conceded this season:
With Vidic - 3 goals in 10 games
Without Vidic - 19 goals in 13 games
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Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:00 pm

Vidic will have to be replaced now he is out for the season. It means their already stretched resources might not allow them to fix the problem they have in midfield.
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:03 pm

bigblue wrote:Interesting fact

Scum goals conceded this season:
With Vidic - 3 goals in 10 games
Without Vidic - 19 goals in 13 games



I knew he was important to them but that's some stat. Where did you get that from mate? or did you take the time yourself to go through all their fixtures?
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:42 pm

Manchester United: Fergie’s Fledglings Are A Media Fallacy

The media's attempts to create another golden age for Manchester United is coming unstuck. A young, inexperienced side in transition? Not true. They're just no longer a formidable force.

The first time I wrote about Manchester United for the Sabotage Times was during the summer. I received a death threat when I suggested Dutch schemer Wesley Sneijder would be better off joining City. Not one to immediately learn my lesson I then espoused that their young prospect Tom Cleverley was being over-promoted too soon into the England set-up solely based upon his recall to Old Trafford following a loan stint at Wigan. Again the abuse was unrelenting and vicious.

So I decided to give the club a swerve and concentrate on events elsewhere. It just wasn’t worth the hassle.

However the sheer scale of steaming apologist bull that has been built up around the club’s decline in recent weeks – as their limitations are finally exposed – by a media beholden to their millions of United supporting readers and viewers has forced me to once again ensure the wrath of the illiterate mud-slingers in the comments box.

Travelling back from the Bayern Munich game on Wednesday I heard one red after another call in to a radio station and regurgitate the media lies to excuse their Champion’s League exit. ‘We’re a young team’ was one; ‘a side in transition’ was another; all of them alluding to the media creation of ‘Fergie’s Fledglings’.

I’m sorry but who exactly are these ‘fledglings’? Is it experienced French full-back Patrice Evra and their first-choice centre-back pairing that night of Ferdinand and Vidic? All of whom are 30-plus. Was it Rooney and Young? Both of whom have countless seasons of top level football to their name. Was it 30-year old Park or Ryan Giggs who would be claiming his pension now and sucking Werther’s Originals were it not for the life-affirming dangerous elixir of banging his brother’s wife for many years?

The average age of the Manchester United team that succumbed to beatable Basle last week was 25.45 years. The average age of the City side that triumphed over one of the biggest clubs in Europe was 25.36. Perhaps they should be referred to hereon in as ‘Bobby’s Boys’? Of course, that would be farcical. Which only proves my point.

So were these stats just one-offs based upon team selection? Not a bit of it.

The average age of United’s 25-man squad for this season is 25.2. City’s is 25.04.

The blunt truth is that Manchester United are not a particularly young team at all – they just aren’t anywhere near as good as they used to be.

They miss Scholes dreadfully. They lack a midfield leader in the Keane mould. Indeed, completely contradicting the media portrayal of an inexperienced side adapting to the expectations of being Manchester United I would suggest there has been a bit of middle-aged spread around the waistline. Almost unheard of for an Alex Ferguson XI they’re starting to possess a soft centre with an engine room that often relies on an aging dud in Michael Carrick and a player in Darren Fletcher who hasn’t learnt to excel in twenty-seven years.

Until their failure to progress from an easy Champion’s League group however you would have struggled to read or hear about this. In fact the only outlet I’ve relied on to receive honest appraisal of United’s shortcomings has been in here through the superb analysis provided by Samuel Luckhurst. That’s not me being biased. His candid admissions on his beloved club being in decline have often put my blue-blinkered prose to shame. Elsewhere the media have been desperate – and I choose that word with considered lack of exaggeration – to formulate a fallacy of United being a swashbuckling team of pups in the Busby Babes model. They have done so in the same doomed vein as the NME trying to create a whole new scene around just a couple of half-decent bands. It’s like Shoegazing all over again and it is absolute and utter substance-free tosh.

But let’s play along and see what we find.

First off we can all-but discount Danny Wellbeck. He is a third-choice 21-year old striker at a Premier League club. Wow, you’ll really struggle to find many of them. At City we have Mario Balotelli who is of the same age. Whilst I concede that the eccentric Italian has offered us too many snippets of headline-grabbing gold to get hung up on his youth when was the last time his tender years was even mentioned? Whereas with Wellbeck ‘young’ is almost a prefix to his name. Also, crucially, Balotelli is sensationally good. United’s 21-year old is not.

We can also rule out – at this juncture at least – Tom Cleverley due to his absence through injury. An unfortunate omission but pertinent nonetheless. If he hasn’t participated how can he be factored in to United’s crisis?

This leaves us – as regular starters – with David De Gea, Chris Smalling and Phil Jones.

Manchester City also have a young goalkeeper. He is England’s number one and has been outstanding this term as he was last. His age? Never mentioned.

The latter two of these ‘fledglings’ admittedly show considerable promise. They were bought at a combined cost of £27M from fellow Premier League clubs. Two big-money purchases hardly equates to an astonishing break-out from the youth system does it? Surely there has to be at least five for a media tag to be applied. Or am I thinking of serial killers?

The mythological media creation of ‘Fergie’s Fledglings’ does the fantastical achievement of bringing through Beckham, Giggs, the Nevilles, Butt and Scholes a major disservice not to mention besmirch the legacy of the Busby Babes.

My dad is a lifelong red and my mum’s first schoolgirl crush was on Eddie Colman. She got his autograph at the training ground just two weeks before the Munich crash. I was brought up to revere those wondrous youngsters and even as a City fan I can admire the work of Eric Harrison when the last lot came through.

This current batch aren’t of the same ilk. In fact, they don’t even exist.

Manchester United are not a young side – their noisy neighbours are even outdoing them in that regard – and the only transition they’re facing is having to adapt to no longer being a formidable force.

Don’t believe the hype; it is written by Ferguson-fearing journalists with one eye on the multitude of red readers who will nod along to make themselves feel better and ignore the unpalatable truth.

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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby TheGOAT » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:36 pm

bigblue wrote:for those saying no media bias, take a gander at two articles from the same national paper:

taggart in transition:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... x-ferguson

Mancini not good enough:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... ester-city

fair play to most of the comments for getting it right. And a warning to not read the 2nd article unless you like to feel angry


Both of them articles seem spot on!
Why would the second one make you angry?
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:03 pm

I enjoyed that read, thanks FIB for posting it.
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:47 pm

United will be there like a pesky fly until the end of the season. I think we can and should win the league but I doubt we'll run away with it, they'll always be hanging in there waiting to pounce on any slip ups.
Having said that I think there's every chance Spurs will be our biggest rival this season.
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Re: 1-6 was a wake up call - yeah yeah yeah

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:19 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:United will be there like a pesky fly until the end of the season. I think we can and should win the league but I doubt we'll run away with it, they'll always be hanging in there waiting to pounce on any slip ups.
Having said that I think there's every chance Spurs will be our biggest rival this season.


Still think the rags will be top two, hopefully second. However, since we beat them the only half decent side they've played is Newcastle. They've been lucky with an easy run at a time they were struggling. It'll be interesting to see if they've actually improved when they meet a decent side again. They'll still win the majority of games but if they can drop points against the bigger teams I think we'll finish with a nice gap.
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