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Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:14 pm

From 3 down to 2.

Rooney wins appeal but where is the respect?

Tune into any Premier League football game and within moments it will become apparent the FA’s Respect campaign still has a long way to go. Players are frequently seen berating, mobbing, and abusing officials and this often goes unpunished.

The ubiquity of dissent in the game and referees’ unwillingness to clamp down on it have led to it becoming part of the game, and referees at all levels have come to accept it as an occupational hazard.

Yet the FA continue to insist that their initiative is having a palliative effect, quoting a 16 per cent decrease in dissent across England’s professional leagues since 2008-9.

Even if we assume this figure is accurate – if it is even possible to quantify such a thing – it constitutes a reduction of less than one sixth and to the naked eye it would appear that nothing has changed.

Today the FA won their appeal to have Wayne Rooney’s three match international ban reduced to two, making him available for the potentially crucial final group game against Ukraine. This will come as welcome news to England fans, but it is widely agreed that Rooney deserved his red card and subsequent ban for violent conduct.

An FA spokesperson said the Respect campaign had nothing to do with Uefa who ‘operate a different process to the FA in relation to red card offences’ and denied that the decision to appeal Rooney’s ban went against the spirit of the game. But their appeal against a just ruling and proportionate sentence undermines the authority of the referee who dismissed him and risks sending the message to aspiring young footballers that if you’re a good enough player, the rules do not apply.

These are sentiments shared by Kenny Dalglish who feels the FA fast-tracked Rooney’s appeal at the expense of Luis Suarez’s hearing for alleged racism.

What about the state of grassroots football? The FA website quotes a 15 per cent fall in the most serious assault cases but concedes a 25 per cent rise in ‘incidences of improper conduct towards referees’ though ‘some of this will reflect the increased number of match officials and reports being submitted’.

Junior football referee of 15 years John Rogers said: “as soon as you put on that kit, you change from a human being into a figure of abuse. The dissent can be constant, not just major decisions but every throw-in, every shoulder barge. Some managers do a good job of controlling their supporters, but they are the exception to the rule.

“Youth football is particularly bad. Sometimes when I’ve made a contentious decision I know as soon as I blow up I’ll be ambushed by dissenting parents. I’ve been threatened on several occasions and I was assaulted once. There’s no respect.

“The FA responded with a statement saying ‘evidence (both statistical and anecdotal across the grassroots game shows that the Respect campaign is working. Three years ago incidents of poor spectator behaviour from parents and adults was sadly a fairly common occurrence in youth football. However, through the FA’s Respect campaign many youth leagues have witnessed an improvement.”

And, Kill Kenny's thoughts:

Liverpool’s Kenny Dalglish attacks FA’s Rooney appeal

A bit of a strange one this, as Kenny Dalglish has spoken-out against the FA’s decision to appeal Wayne Rooney’s three game ban from the international football – which was cut down to two games this morning.

“I find it a bit strange the FA are supposed to be setting an example for things yet they appeal against Rooney’s three-match ban.

It’s not as if it was a 50-50 challenge he got sent off for and I don’t how they justify diluting it.

It’s great news for England but I don’t think it sets a very good precedent for everybody else.”


Ok. So shall we remember this when the FA hands down a predictably draconian ban to Luis Suarez? And what was the FA supposed to do?

In all likelihood, this has more to do with Wayne Rooney being a Manchester United player than it does Dalglish’s concern for unhealthy precedents. I can just hear him saying exactly the same thing if this was Steven Gerrard…

UEFA’s appeal process exists for a reason, and the FA and Rooney have every right to use it. End of story.

Good to see him back early, eh?
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby DoomMerchant » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:37 pm

i wish Capello would have the balls not to pick him.

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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:59 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:i wish Capello would have the balls not to pick him.

cheers

Same here. I noticed it was a closed appeal meaning that no-one other than the FA and UEFA representatives were in attendance. My thoughts are that this is all down to money and regardless of the Rooney incident the FA would've argued that if Rooney wasn't in attendance then their sales revenue would be considerably hit. By at least having Rooney at the finals it would bring in extra revenue and coverage for UEFA and the hosts.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby zuricity » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:29 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:i wish Capello would have the balls not to pick him.

cheers

Same here. I noticed it was a closed appeal meaning that no-one other than the FA and UEFA representatives were in attendance. My thoughts are that this is all down to money and regardless of the Rooney incident the FA would've argued that if Rooney wasn't in attendance then their sales revenue would be considerably hit. By at least having Rooney at the finals it would bring in extra revenue and coverage for UEFA and the hosts.



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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby feedthegreek » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:03 pm

only posted this at 10 30 this morning, didnt realise it required a new thread.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:19 pm

feedthegreek wrote:only posted this at 10 30 this morning, didnt realise it required a new thread.

Yeah, read it after I'd posted it. Didn't think much of that either.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby gillie » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:39 pm

Well he will get to play one game then as England will fail to get out of the group as we are not good enough FACT.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:06 pm

gillie wrote:Well he will get to play one game then as England will fail to get out of the group as we are not good enough FACT.


Not a fact though is it? Likelihood is England will get out of the group.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Slim » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:28 pm

They'll get out of the group, but I think they run into Spain or Italy in the first knockout round and that will probably be the end of the tournament for England.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby gillie » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:29 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
gillie wrote:Well he will get to play one game then as England will fail to get out of the group as we are not good enough FACT.


Not a fact though is it? Likelihood is England will get out of the group.

Wish i could share your belief mate but i honestly dont think our National team are good enough to progress in this tournament.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby dazby » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:52 pm

How the fuck did that kick get downgraded? What the hell is Kenny doing throwing in his two bob?

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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:54 pm

I honestly think we'd do better without him, afterall, we've done fuck all with him. I'm sick to death of trying to build a team around a player who doesn't actually ever prove to be worth the hype. Usual media rag bullshit will ensure he gets a start on his return, even if we've strolled the 1st two games 10-nowt.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:56 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:I honestly think we'd do better without him, afterall, we've done fuck all with him. I'm sick to death of trying to build a team around a player who doesn't actually ever prove to be worth the hype. Usual media rag bullshit will ensure he gets a start on his return, even if we've strolled the 1st two games 10-nowt.


This ^^^^

The pleb is the biggest over hyped player in the world today.

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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby gillie » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:01 pm

I really think the FA have opened a can of worms on this as they are saying this offence in an International game is not worthy of a 3 game ban but in the prem if you appealed this it would be deemed frivolous and an extra game added.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby paulmclaren » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:03 am

Rooney has to be the most over rated footballer in the world.
I agree he's a top prem player, but on the world stage?
He's good for England and I'm glad he won the appeal, who else is there to play upfront?
But also agree that he shouldn't be an automatic choice for England.
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby mr_nool » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:45 am

paulmclaren wrote:Rooney has to be the most over rated footballer in the world.
I agree he's a top prem player, but on the world stage?
He's good for England and I'm glad he won the appeal, who else is there to play upfront?
But also agree that he shouldn't be an automatic choice for England.


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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Wonderwall » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:48 am

mr_nool wrote:
paulmclaren wrote:Rooney has to be the most over rated footballer in the world.
I agree he's a top prem player, but on the world stage?
He's good for England and I'm glad he won the appeal, who else is there to play upfront?
But also agree that he shouldn't be an automatic choice for England.


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If we go on form, then Rooney would be behind the likes of Lee Bradbury as he has done fuckall recently that I can remember
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Evenmydoghatesunited » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:53 am

I'm not a fan of Sturridge and was glad we got rid. He and Welbeck are in the same mold but it does lead me to wonder that our strike force is a Bosnian, an Italian and an Argentinian, ok 2 of them but one's AWOL are there any strikers in the club in thevreserves or wherever else who are English?
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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby mr_nool » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:05 am

Evenmydoghatesunited wrote:I'm not a fan of Sturridge and was glad we got rid. He and Welbeck are in the same mold but it does lead me to wonder that our strike force is a Bosnian, an Italian and an Argentinian, ok 2 of them but one's AWOL are there any strikers in the club in thevreserves or wherever else who are English?


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Re: Shrek Wins UEFA Appeal

Postby Evenmydoghatesunited » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:09 am

mr_nool wrote:<null>

I think he's on loan at spotty land. Don't have any knowledge of him apart from that though. Any good?
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