Safe Standing Arena

[city72]

Those of you who are against this because, 'I wont be able to see, I don't want to stand up, think of the children, what about the childten, etc etc etc' use your brains for fucks sake. At the moment, people stand up in seated areas, so those who are small or kids or whatever, can't see etc. If there were proper safe standing areas, they would be built for standing & only those areas would be allowed to stand & everyone in the seats would have to,sit down or be, thrown out; so now all you dwarves & kids, old cunts,etc can watch the game without your view being obstructed & those who want to stand can do so without being mithered. RESULT.

agreed with this, i took my old man & 2 sons to both sunderland & worse still newcastle away last season, my kids couldnt see fuck all especially at newcastle & my father was knackered(67 years old) walking up a thousand steps at newcastle then standing for 2 hours

[Beefymcfc]

Those of you who are against this because, 'I wont be able to see, I don't want to stand up, think of the children, what about the childten, etc etc etc' use your brains for fucks sake. At the moment, people stand up in seated areas, so those who are small or kids or whatever, can't see etc. If there were proper safe standing areas, they would be built for standing & only those areas would be allowed to stand & everyone in the seats would have to,sit down or be, thrown out; so now all you dwarves & kids, old cunts,etc can watch the game without your view being obstructed & those who want to stand can do so without being mithered. RESULT.

Don't be daft man, what would they whinge about???

SIT DOWN YOU RASCALS!!!

[feedthegreek]

well after reducing every grounds capacity since hillsboro,
for over 20 years, and clubs going under through lack of gatemoney etc
what a great idea. lets have 100,000 at the swamp,
glad its been blocked, dont get me wrong standing which was great
and still do when allowed to creates a better atmosphere.
but for famils etc its much better for people to have their own seat
especially for young kids, imo. dont tell me about germany.

Firstly, why do your posts always look like they should be rhyming?

On the issue of Safe Standing, if you don't want to you don't have to. I'm sure if it came in it wouldn't be the complete stadium, just a small proportion, say the South Stand. You'd be able to choose not to go in the area just as those who would want to, could.

Family Stand maybe, for kids? If you don't like going behind the goal, why not try East or West Stand, there's room for all?

im not sure but ill think youll find some what spread all across the screen im sure if you look hard enough you could find one or two.

[bluebananamilksheikh]

I am interested in what they mean by this and how it will be monitored. Creates a good atmosphere but can be really ship sometimes if your 5'7" like I am

Take a box to stand on, and make sure you are not stood behind me!!!

[bobby brows]

I think it would be great, already planning on moving for the europa to stand with some mates!

was hoping we'd be stood for the whole game against bayern on the third tier of the east with the away support stood next to us! Although it would be a daunting prospect! one false move and bam!! over the bloke in front of you

[ross.mcfc]

The first sensible idea to come out of the SPL in a very long time. Summer football is what they need not safe seats.

Quite a few of the old SPL grounds are perfect for standing as they are. I'd be quite pissed off if I was one of the clubs that bankrupted themselves trying to meet the stupid criteria of ten thousands seats to get into the SPL though.

[carl_feedthegoat]

The only sensible idea up there in Scotland is to suspend football altogether and replace it with tiddly winks.

[ross.mcfc]

The only sensible idea up there in Scotland is to suspend football altogether and replace it with tiddly winks.

I am almost tempted to agree with you.

How a nation that cares so much about something, can be so bad at it, is beyond me.

[BlueinBosnia]

Just so everyone knows what safe standing areas look like:

[Beefymcfc]

Watch it, there maybe a bit of atmosphere!

[mr_nool]

Watch it, there maybe a bit of atmosphere!

I was there one and half week ago. It gave me goose bumps when the whole stand was bouncing up and down.
The acoustics of the stadium isn't great, though, so despite having 20,000 people screaming their lungs out in one stand, the noise level in the stadium as a whole wasn't fantastic (it was very good, mind, just not as fantastic as I had thought it'd be).

[mr_nool]

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Imagine the Poznan we could do ...

[Beefymcfc]

Watch it, there maybe a bit of atmosphere!

I was there one and half week ago. It gave me goose bumps when the whole stand was bouncing up and down.
The acoustics of the stadium isn't great, though, so despite having 20,000 people screaming their lungs out in one stand, the noise level in the stadium as a whole wasn't fantastic (it was very good, mind, just not as fantastic as I had thought it'd be).

I think you've got to imagine that in our arena rather than an individual stand. Nice input though mate, and good to see you enjoyed your trip.

For many though it would be the price rather than the atmosphere, that would come later.

They're talking about it on TS now and I've not heard one who is against it, all feel it's time to bring a standing area back.

[Wonderwall]

Just so everyone knows what safe standing areas look like:

Cheers BiB i have not seen that before and its what i was after. It won't increase attendances then.

[BlueinBosnia]

Just so everyone knows what safe standing areas look like:

Cheers BiB i have not seen that before and its what i was after. It won't increase attendances then.

From my understanding, potentially it could, but only by a minimal amount (an absolute maximum of around 3%), without a massive structural remodelling, which I'm not sure:
a) we're allowed to do, due to the stadium ownership
b) would cost millions even if feasible, and
c) may not be possible due to the construction methods used in our ground

Overall, although I'm pro-safe standing, it's for the atmosphere. Ticket prices WILL NOT go down, and capacity won't increase drastically.

[Beefymcfc]

Just so everyone knows what safe standing areas look like:

Cheers BiB i have not seen that before and its what i was after. It won't increase attendances then.

From my understanding, potentially it could, but only by a minimal amount (an absolute maximum of around 3%), without a massive structural remodelling, which I'm not sure:
a) we're allowed to do, due to the stadium ownership
b) would cost millions even if feasible, and
c) may not be possible due to the construction methods used in our ground

Overall, although I'm pro-safe standing, it's for the atmosphere. Ticket prices WILL NOT go down, and capacity won't increase drastically.

It would be fair to say that this would not be coming in for some years to come and maybe incorporated into a new or revamped stadium design. Do we believe that 47000 is the capacity needed, or wanted by our custodians. Think long term, not tomorrow.

Build it, and they will come.

[BlueinBosnia]

Just so everyone knows what safe standing areas look like:

Cheers BiB i have not seen that before and its what i was after. It won't increase attendances then.

From my understanding, potentially it could, but only by a minimal amount (an absolute maximum of around 3%), without a massive structural remodelling, which I'm not sure:
a) we're allowed to do, due to the stadium ownership
b) would cost millions even if feasible, and
c) may not be possible due to the construction methods used in our ground

Overall, although I'm pro-safe standing, it's for the atmosphere. Ticket prices WILL NOT go down, and capacity won't increase drastically.

It would be fair to say that this would not be coming in for some years to come and maybe incorporated into a new or revamped stadium design. Do we believe that 47000 is the capacity needed, or wanted by our custodians. Think long term, not tomorrow.

Build it, and they will come.

Agree it could be incorporated, but possibly only to a limited extent. As far as my rudimentary understanding of building physics takes me, we'd be limited to installing safe standing on the lower tier only, and even then, if we want to increase capacity, it will be subject to the council's permission. I'd guess we'd want to allocate one side and maybe one corner as safe standing.
An overhaul to take us to the maximum permissible capacity (based on persons per square metre), would potentially increase those areas which were converted by an absolute maximum of 35% from memory (I think Britaish stadia generally use 1.43 times the amount of legally required space per spectator, but take away from that 43% the area occupied by the new seating).
Say the area affected seats 17,000 at the moment (an over-generous estimate, I believe), you're talking about a 6k increase, which really doesn't justify a drop in ticket prices considering the outlay involved.


Whatever happens, we won't see ticket prices go down.

[TomS]

The first pic of BiB is at my homeground in Bremen, before it was rebuilt.

Nowaddays we use a similar construction as in Dortmund. The flexible seats will be put in when there is an international game on. On Bundesligadays they are removed. The capacity differences are 34T UEFA game (but there are also more media tix, UEFA VIP and so on) to 40T on normal days.

Here in Bundesliga Dortmund a different story because their standing area is so hugh, the other grounds have around max.10-15 % capacity in safe standing areas. But the seating/standing thing is not handled as in the UK, for example our lot have 4 rows in our section and most of the time we are standing.....

No accidents as I can remember in the last 10-15 yrs. because of the standing areas.

[Socrates]

Just so everyone knows what safe standing areas look like:

Cheers BiB i have not seen that before and its what i was after. It won't increase attendances then.

From my understanding, potentially it could, but only by a minimal amount (an absolute maximum of around 3%), without a massive structural remodelling, which I'm not sure:
a) we're allowed to do, due to the stadium ownership
b) would cost millions even if feasible, and
c) may not be possible due to the construction methods used in our ground

Overall, although I'm pro-safe standing, it's for the atmosphere. Ticket prices WILL NOT go down, and capacity won't increase drastically.

It would be fair to say that this would not be coming in for some years to come and maybe incorporated into a new or revamped stadium design. Do we believe that 47000 is the capacity needed, or wanted by our custodians. Think long term, not tomorrow.

Build it, and they will come.

Agree it could be incorporated, but possibly only to a limited extent. As far as my rudimentary understanding of building physics takes me, we'd be limited to installing safe standing on the lower tier only, and even then, if we want to increase capacity, it will be subject to the council's permission. I'd guess we'd want to allocate one side and maybe one corner as safe standing.
An overhaul to take us to the maximum permissible capacity (based on persons per square metre), would potentially increase those areas which were converted by an absolute maximum of 35% from memory (I think Britaish stadia generally use 1.43 times the amount of legally required space per spectator, but take away from that 43% the area occupied by the new seating).
Say the area affected seats 17,000 at the moment (an over-generous estimate, I believe), you're talking about a 6k increase, which really doesn't justify a drop in ticket prices considering the outlay involved.


Whatever happens, we won't see ticket prices go down.

We have an unfettered 250 year lease on the stadium, we don't need the council's permission to change the seating arrangement! The only impact of a change of capacity would have been the agreement on the council's share of revenue which made up part of the the lease purchase. We have already renegotiated the agreement to a flat rate payment thereby allowing us to increase revenue without further penalty. That said this scheme won't happen here and as, said, would have little impact on revenue anyway.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

A vague recollection is of Schalke having a reduced capacity of 52,000 for seated matches in Europe as opposed to 60,000 for league games. An increase in capacity of 6 or 7,000 would be greatly appreciated at City, and could remove the need to radically rebuild for a while.