Suarez

[smj996c]

1. 21 Dec 2011 - Wigan - A - 20:00
2. 26 Dec 2011 - Blackburn - H - 15:00
3. 30 Dec 2011 - Newcastle - H - 19:45
4. 03 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 20:00
5. 06 Jan 2012 - Oldham - H - 20:00
6. 11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 19:45
7. 14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City - H - 15:00
8. 21 Jan 2012 - Bolton - A - 17:30
9. 25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - H - 19:45

I really really hope he appeals and plays tonight so he misses all three for us.

If ive read the statement correctly the penalty /punishment is enforceable after the appeal hearing, so expect Liverpool to appeal on the 2nd Jan and then for it to drag on for months whilst the appeal is heard and findings posted. Suarez will be playing in all 3 games against us in January unless he immediately accepts the FA's current findings and punishment.

[sandman]

1. 21 Dec 2011 - Wigan - A - 20:00
2. 26 Dec 2011 - Blackburn - H - 15:00
3. 30 Dec 2011 - Newcastle - H - 19:45
4. 03 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 20:00
5. 06 Jan 2012 - Oldham - H - 20:00
6. 11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 19:45
7. 14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City - H - 15:00
8. 21 Jan 2012 - Bolton - A - 17:30
9. 25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - H - 19:45

I really really hope he appeals and plays tonight so he misses all three for us.

If ive read the statement correctly the penalty /punishment is enforceable after the appeal hearing, so expect Liverpool to appeal on the 2nd Jan and then for it to drag on for months whilst the appeal is heard and findings posted. Suarez will be playing in all 3 games against us in January unless he immediately accepts the FA's current findings and punishment.

Ah bugger, cheers. I think this ban will be reduced / scrapped anyway as soon as the PFA get involved.

[smj996c]

1. 21 Dec 2011 - Wigan - A - 20:00
2. 26 Dec 2011 - Blackburn - H - 15:00
3. 30 Dec 2011 - Newcastle - H - 19:45
4. 03 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 20:00
5. 06 Jan 2012 - Oldham - H - 20:00
6. 11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 19:45
7. 14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City - H - 15:00
8. 21 Jan 2012 - Bolton - A - 17:30
9. 25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - H - 19:45

I really really hope he appeals and plays tonight so he misses all three for us.

If ive read the statement correctly the penalty /punishment is enforceable after the appeal hearing, so expect Liverpool to appeal on the 2nd Jan and then for it to drag on for months whilst the appeal is heard and findings posted. Suarez will be playing in all 3 games against us in January unless he immediately accepts the FA's current findings and punishment.

Ah bugger, cheers. I think this ban will be reduced / scrapped anyway as soon as the PFA get involved.

The PFA have backed the findings of the commission according to reports this morning.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

interesting article here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16262537.stm

When Luis Suarez joined Liverpool at the start of the year I wrote that he had the ability to shine in the Premier League but also that his fiery temperament would be put to the test.

He has given us more than I bargained for. An instant Anfield sensation, his exploits for Uruguay make Suarez beyond doubt the outstanding player in the world this year in terms of national team football.

In England, as expected, he has become the Liverpool player least likely to be popular with opposing fans but he has exceeded his own reputation for controversy with the flare-up with Patrice Evra and the charge of racism which has now brought him an eight-game ban and a £40,000 fine from the Football Association.

It is news which has not gone down well in Uruguay. When the verdict was announced and published on the website of El Pais, the country's leading newspaper, the comments section was full of remarks attacking the "hypocrisy" and "pseudo-moralism" of the English.

When Suarez pulls on the sky blue shirt of his country he is part of a national team which has an unrivalled record of giving opportunities to afro-descendants. In the face of protests from their opponents, Uruguay picked black players in the first Copa America in 1916.

Probably the most revered figure in the history of Uruguayan football is Obdulio Varela, captain of the side that won the World Cup in 1950. His nickname was "El Negro Jefe" - the black boss.

Among Suarez's team-mates these days is Maxi Pereira, who is known as "El Mono" - the monkey. It is a nickname which, apparently, is given and accepted with no offence meant or taken. It appears to be used in the same spirit that Alvaro Fernandez is called "El Flaco", which means skinny.

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Among Suarez's team-mates these days is Maxi Pereira, who is known as "El Mono" - the monkey. It is a nickname which, apparently, is given and accepted with no offence meant or taken
Tim Vickery
BBC Sport
These words are not easy - perhaps almost impossible - to translate into a contemporary English context. How do you judge the weight of a word uttered in a foreign language from a different mindset?

When Mick Jagger wailed "Hey Negrita" on the Rolling Stones song, his words were surely intended in praise. If it is true that Suarez used a similar word to address Evra, this would not seem to be the case.

But how to know when this word ceases to be descriptive and becomes pejorative? And for the FA disciplinary committee, how to avoid kicking the case around like a political football?

Suarez provided them with a problem - but also with an opportunity.

Context is crucial, not just in what Suarez may have done, but also in how it is judged. When Sepp Blatter apologised for appearing to suggest racist remarks could be overcome with a handshake, it gave English football another chance to indulge in Fifa-bashing.

There must have been a temptation to throw the book at Suarez and send a strong anti-racist message to the world. From a South American perspective, the length of the ban might be taken to indicate that this is what the disciplinary board has done.


Suarez sent off for handling on the line
When moral panic is whipped up, coherence tends to fly out of the window. Some of those calling for Blatter's head on the racism issue are the very people who believed that everything was fine with Fifa while Sir Stanley Rous of England was in charge from 1961 to 1974.

Rous seriously damaged the development of African football with his defence of Apartheid in South Africa - a stance which looked awful at the time and was disastrous in hindsight.

In his campaign to unseat Rous in 1974, Brazilian Joao Havelange made a point of showing physical intimacy with the African delegates. An Englishman, he reasoned, would not do the same.

Thankfully England is much-changed since then.

English football can be proud of its anti-racism work but it should be remembered that what has happened in our country is a domestic dynamic. Mass immigration starting in the 1950s brought in hundreds of thousands of newcomers with full political rights - and so the discrimination they suffered could only be put down to racism.

LUIS SUAREZ AT LIVERPOOL
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Age: 24
Place of birth: Salto, Uruguay
Fee: £22.8m from Ajax
Debut: 2 Feb 2011 v Stoke
Apps: 32
Goals: 12
Football made this sickeningly obvious. The Caribbean descendants who started to make an impact on the pitch from the late 1960s had to put up with all kinds of abuse. Over time a consensus formed around the belief that racist behaviour was unacceptable.

This dynamic does not necessarily apply elsewhere. In South America the legacy of centuries of slavery can make attitudes towards race more entrenched - but also more subtle. Elsewhere, to the east of Europe, for example, there has been very little exposure to the kind of multi-cultural existence that has become the norm in Britain.

This in no way invalidates the anti-racist position of English football. But it does mean that if the debate is to be won - and that surely must be the objective - then there are dangers in the moralistic holier-than-thou approach that the English can be prone to take.

This issue provides a real opportunity for English football to do some good - and also for the Football Association to improve its global profile. Much depends on how it is handled.

There is little to be gained in hectoring other nations and individuals with a moral high ground position of, "We're not racist, you are". Instead, there might be room for a position of leadership with a huge dose of humility.

"This is the problem of racism that we faced in our game," could be the line to football authorities around the world. "This is what we decided to do about it and, although we are nowhere near perfect, we feel we have made a lot of progress. Some of this may be useful to you".

A few weeks ago the penultimate set of games in the Brazilian championship was named the "Round against Racism". All over the country teams had their photo taken behind a banner saying "Say no to racism. Racism is a crime".


Suarez stunner ends South Korean hopes at 2010 World Cup
The measure, though, was not accompanied by any attempt to stimulate a debate on the subject - on why there are so few black coaches, for example, or on taking legal action when members of the crowd make monkey noises, as occasionally happens in Brazilian stadiums.

The impression was that the Brazilian FA were playing politics. Its president Ricardo Teixeira had fallen out with Fifa boss Blatter. When Blatter put his foot in his mouth on the racism issue, Teixeira saw his opportunity.

"The Round against Racism" was nothing of the sort. In reality, cynically and opportunistically, it was the "Round against Blatter".

The English FA has now left itself open to the same accusation of cynicism. What Suarez is alleged to have done is wrong. To draw attention to the colour of someone's skin in a manner that could be construed as pejorative is not acceptable in our reality.

There is a clear case for punishment as part of a process of education. But the eight-game ban would seem to go much further.

[Goaters 103]

1. 21 Dec 2011 - Wigan - A - 20:00
2. 26 Dec 2011 - Blackburn - H - 15:00
3. 30 Dec 2011 - Newcastle - H - 19:45
4. 03 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 20:00
5. 06 Jan 2012 - Oldham - H - 20:00
6. 11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 19:45
7. 14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City - H - 15:00
8. 21 Jan 2012 - Bolton - A - 17:30
9. 25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - H - 19:45

I really really hope he appeals and plays tonight so he misses all three for us.

If ive read the statement correctly the penalty /punishment is enforceable after the appeal hearing, so expect Liverpool to appeal on the 2nd Jan and then for it to drag on for months whilst the appeal is heard and findings posted. Suarez will be playing in all 3 games against us in January unless he immediately accepts the FA's current findings and punishment.

This is spot on. When I first heard about the ban I thought it mean he misses most of his games against us, but Liverpool have 14 days to appeal from the day they receive the written report of the commission's findings - this will not be until today or tomorrow at the earliest. They will wait until the last day (around 5th Jan) before appealing, and then drag on the appeal process so that Suarez ends up continuing to play throughout Jan and likely in both legs against us.

The other additional hope we have is that Suarez has another FA charge against him for an obscene gesture at Fulham, which should also carry a 3 game ban.

[mcfc1632]

1. 21 Dec 2011 - Wigan - A - 20:00
2. 26 Dec 2011 - Blackburn - H - 15:00
3. 30 Dec 2011 - Newcastle - H - 19:45
4. 03 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 20:00
5. 06 Jan 2012 - Oldham - H - 20:00
6. 11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 19:45
7. 14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City - H - 15:00
8. 21 Jan 2012 - Bolton - A - 17:30
9. 25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - H - 19:45

I really really hope he appeals and plays tonight so he misses all three for us.

If ive read the statement correctly the penalty /punishment is enforceable after the appeal hearing, so expect Liverpool to appeal on the 2nd Jan and then for it to drag on for months whilst the appeal is heard and findings posted. Suarez will be playing in all 3 games against us in January unless he immediately accepts the FA's current findings and punishment.

Aaahhh - I was wondering if anyone else spotted that.

seems quite unusual approach (perhaps sensible but unusual). It made we wonder if there has been some 'consideration' of the Liverpool fixtures, maybe in dialogue with them so that it can be managed in a way that he does not miss the crucial games - maybe I am just a cynic

[Beefymcfc]

interesting article here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16262537.stm

The English FA has now left itself open to the same accusation of cynicism. What Suarez is alleged to have done is wrong. To draw attention to the colour of someone's skin in a manner that could be construed as pejorative is not acceptable in our reality.

There is a clear case for punishment as part of a process of education. But the eight-game ban would seem to go much further.[/i]

That must've been Tim Vickery, he's their South American reporter. The problem with Vickery is that he's been there too long and has adopted all things SA. I've read quite a few of his articles mainly due to us getting Robinho, Zabs, Carlos etc but never really understood his stance. He likes too highlight problems in many of SA associations and culture alike but always seems to end up dismissing the issues.

And that's why I've left the above 2 paragraphs where he admits that Saurez was wrong and should be punished but indicates that 8 games is being used to gain some sort of sway and accusing the FA of being out of touch with reality. What I find is that he is out of touch with reality and will palm off a serious incident in a bid to keep his SA, and Uruguayan, contacts in check.

He's trying to defend the indefenceable.

[Beefymcfc]

Been on SSN, an update on Terry will be announced by the FA this afternoon.

Edit: CPS, not FA.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Sounds like the appeal will take till something like the end of Feb ( maybe later) to be resolved. Doesnt help City but will kill Liverpool's CL chances I would expect.

[david yearsley]

1. 21 Dec 2011 - Wigan - A - 20:00
2. 26 Dec 2011 - Blackburn - H - 15:00
3. 30 Dec 2011 - Newcastle - H - 19:45
4. 03 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 20:00
5. 06 Jan 2012 - Oldham - H - 20:00
6. 11 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - A - 19:45
7. 14 Jan 2012 - Stoke City - H - 15:00
8. 21 Jan 2012 - Bolton - A - 17:30
9. 25 Jan 2012 - Manchester City - H - 19:45

I really really hope he appeals and plays tonight so he misses all three for us.

If ive read the statement correctly the penalty /punishment is enforceable after the appeal hearing, so expect Liverpool to appeal on the 2nd Jan and then for it to drag on for months whilst the appeal is heard and findings posted. Suarez will be playing in all 3 games against us in January unless he immediately accepts the FA's current findings and punishment.

Aaahhh - I was wondering if anyone else spotted that.

seems quite unusual approach (perhaps sensible but unusual). It made we wonder if there has been some 'consideration' of the Liverpool fixtures, maybe in dialogue with them so that it can be managed in a way that he does not miss the crucial games - maybe I am just a cynic

Cynic you are not my friend

Why on earth should this process take months when 3 match bans have an automatic kick in with only 2 days to respond. Whatever happened to "fast-tracking" or is this the old British Rail version? Pool should have been warned to prepare their appeal when the charge was made

[Plain Speaking]

If you were Liverpool and Suarez was to receive an 8 match ban ideally you would want those matches to come against the easiest teams. As I understand Liverpool have 2 weeks to decide whether to appeal but the appeal process may last longer. I would expect Liverpool/Dalgleish will try, as far as possible, to arrange the ban to have least effect on their season. Probably starting in early March?

[Ted Hughes]

I agree that Liverpool would usually play the situation out in order to suit their needs, however, teams are usually expected to put the appeal in straight after the 2 weeks, so unless the circumstances are changed in their favour they have effectively got 2 weeks to work on the preparation of an appeal, which, unless it has some groundbreaking new angle, will be quickly dealt with & the ban could be extended (this decision is not going to be overturned lightly, it would be a massive climbdown & cause all manner of ructions).

Even if they were given two more weeks he would still miss the 2nd leg, but he would then also miss their derby v Everton & home game v Arsenal.

It seems to me that the choice is eithe to play him in the 1st leg v City or to have him available for Everton. I would imagine they would rather have him back for Everton.

Incidentally, if this ban had started on Friday, when it was supposed to, he would have been unavailable to play in the league v City but available to play v Utd. As they delayed the announcement, the opposite is now true.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Lets say he gets his ban shortened.(For this surely is their aim) If they appeal on the last day possible, then a four game ban would have him miss out on both Carling cup semi games. If they appeal straightaway..... and win, he would be back for both. It is very difficult for them to time it right.
If they lost it and it was deemed frivilous it could be extended, and with a case against him for his rigid digit effort at Craven Cottage to come, he could be out til about April.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

Lets say he gets his ban shortened.(For this surely is their aim) If they appeal on the last day possible, then a four game ban would have him miss out on both Carling cup semi games. If they appeal straightaway..... and win, he would be back for both. It is very difficult for them to time it right.
If they lost it and it was deemed frivilous it could be extended, and with a case against him for his rigid digit effort at Craven Cottage to come, he could be out til about April.

The full appeal process will take ages to sort out and the cheating git will play all the games against City.

[Hazy2]

Not condoning it, But if it winds up DOURGLISH GREAT IMHO.

[Ted Hughes]

Lets say he gets his ban shortened.(For this surely is their aim) If they appeal on the last day possible, then a four game ban would have him miss out on both Carling cup semi games. If they appeal straightaway..... and win, he would be back for both. It is very difficult for them to time it right.
If they lost it and it was deemed frivilous it could be extended, and with a case against him for his rigid digit effort at Craven Cottage to come, he could be out til about April.

The full appeal process will take ages to sort out and the cheating git will play all the games against City.

I'm not sure they will allow that Doug. They have had a hell of a long time to prepare the original case. I don't think the FA will want this to go on forever & I doubt there is anything in the rules which says they have to allow Liverpool loads of time. I may be totally wrong but I would expect it to be quite quickly done.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Lets say he gets his ban shortened.(For this surely is their aim) If they appeal on the last day possible, then a four game ban would have him miss out on both Carling cup semi games. If they appeal straightaway..... and win, he would be back for both. It is very difficult for them to time it right.
If they lost it and it was deemed frivilous it could be extended, and with a case against him for his rigid digit effort at Craven Cottage to come, he could be out til about April.

The full appeal process will take ages to sort out and the cheating git will play all the games against City.

I'm not an expert so if you have super knowledge on this then fair enough, but isn't the appeal process pretty clearly set out. "Appeal within two weeks and we at the FA will halve the ban instantly cos it's Liverpool?"
I'm not sure it is something that will drag on.

[Sideshow Bob]

Lets say he gets his ban shortened.(For this surely is their aim) If they appeal on the last day possible, then a four game ban would have him miss out on both Carling cup semi games. If they appeal straightaway..... and win, he would be back for both. It is very difficult for them to time it right.
If they lost it and it was deemed frivilous it could be extended, and with a case against him for his rigid digit effort at Craven Cottage to come, he could be out til about April.

The full appeal process will take ages to sort out and the cheating git will play all the games against City.

yup, and the games he'll likely miss will include the fucking rags, arse and spuds. fucking typical.

[ja0005]

I'm sure if they appeal the date will be set pretty quickly. The FA will be expecting them to so will have a few dates in mind.

[freshie]

Evra has prior for this shit though.

I'm worried how much of a ban City will get when he charges us with that rape at old trafford.

Quite a lengthy one I'd imagine, seeing as there is 90+ minutes of video evidence detailing every aspect of it ;-)