****official black cats v citizens match thread****

[Socrates]

in my opinion mancini isn't the greatest manager either, i think that he could make better choices in terms of tactics

Can't be the precious Dzeko that isn't good enough, must be the manager that delivered us the FA Cup, a 6-1 win at the Swamp and has us top of the league that has "poor tactics." Tripe on stilts. We need a new third striker, Dzeko can either leave or be number 4. His attitude stank yesterday too, sulky big girl's blouse on a scale that even Samaras never even managed.

[Ted Hughes]

don't really agree that we don't have a plan B ... but what plan would really work when they have 10 players inside their own box for 75% of the game?

we started with dejong barry yaya nasri johnson and dzeko up top ... we ended up with yaya barry silva johnson aguero dzeko and richards on the right bombing forward.

Maybe it's just me but that seems like 2 different plans. Bob also did not wait to make the switch, taking off dejong at halftime and nasri not long after, and kolarov not long after that. I think Bobby did everything he could to change the game, but a mixture of some bad luck, some mediocre performance on our part and diabolical anti-football from sunderland meant that we could not score, whilst they did with the last (offsides) kick of the game.

You simply cannot start a full strength team and then start the same team against liverpool 2 days later, and even though our hands were tied we still tried our very best to shake things up ... personally, I would have pulled dzeko off instead of de jong when aguero came on. Dzeko needs to get his head straight. and with dejong hanging back, barry and yaya could have pushed up farther into midfield.

You'd have to queue.

[Blue Since 76]

Can't be the precious Dzeko that isn't good enough, must be the manager that delivered us the FA Cup, a 6-1 win at the Swamp and has us top of the league that has "poor tactics." Tripe on stilts. We need a new third striker, Dzeko can either leave or be number 4. His attitude stank yesterday too, sulky big girl's blouse on a scale that even Samaras never even managed.

Not sure it was the tactics, but Mancini carries the can for the team selection. He is now tinkering like Ranieri and Benitez did before him. He had one eye on the Liverpool game and another on the cup game and didn't give Sunderland the attention they deserved.

Play the best starting 11 available for every game (cup games v lower league excepted). When players are injured or tired, rotate, but don't do it just because you can. A full strength side against Sunderland would probably have got 3 points. No guarantees but more likely. The best side available against Liverpool should have got at least a point, so 4 points. We're now going into the Liverpool game needing to win, making us more vulnerable to losing it.

[dick dastardley]

when we on the fucking fuck u and your buuuhhhhuuuuaaaaa like children , wath u think win them all city was bether team shuld win u all know that but u must shit on your players who are good yestrday , i can bet for evry player that u shit now i will find on this forum 20 praises from ewrywone annd forgat sorry FUCK YOU

Come back when we can understand a word u say. You wouldnt even be on here if dzeko didnt play for us!!

[Ted Hughes]

Can't be the precious Dzeko that isn't good enough, must be the manager that delivered us the FA Cup, a 6-1 win at the Swamp and has us top of the league that has "poor tactics." Tripe on stilts. We need a new third striker, Dzeko can either leave or be number 4. His attitude stank yesterday too, sulky big girl's blouse on a scale that even Samaras never even managed.

Not sure it was the tactics, but Mancini carries the can for the team selection. He is now tinkering like Ranieri and Benitez did before him. He had one eye on the Liverpool game and another on the cup game and didn't give Sunderland the attention they deserved.

Play the best starting 11 available for every game (cup games v lower league excepted). When players are injured or tired, rotate, but don't do it just because you can. A full strength side against Sunderland would probably have got 3 points. No guarantees but more likely. The best side available against Liverpool should have got at least a point, so 4 points. We're now going into the Liverpool game needing to win, making us more vulnerable to losing it.

If we can't use these players v Sunderland, there is no point in having them. The only player we really missed was Silva & with all the games coming up, the bloke has to rest against either Sunderland, Liverpool or Utd as he is being ruined by over playing. Take your pick.

[Socrates]

Can't be the precious Dzeko that isn't good enough, must be the manager that delivered us the FA Cup, a 6-1 win at the Swamp and has us top of the league that has "poor tactics." Tripe on stilts. We need a new third striker, Dzeko can either leave or be number 4. His attitude stank yesterday too, sulky big girl's blouse on a scale that even Samaras never even managed.

Not sure it was the tactics, but Mancini carries the can for the team selection. He is now tinkering like Ranieri and Benitez did before him. He had one eye on the Liverpool game and another on the cup game and didn't give Sunderland the attention they deserved.

Play the best starting 11 available for every game (cup games v lower league excepted). When players are injured or tired, rotate, but don't do it just because you can. A full strength side against Sunderland would probably have got 3 points. No guarantees but more likely. The best side available against Liverpool should have got at least a point, so 4 points. We're now going into the Liverpool game needing to win, making us more vulnerable to losing it.

If we can't use these players v Sunderland, there is no point in having them. The only player we really missed was Silva & with all the games coming up, the bloke has to rest against either Sunderland, Liverpool or Utd as he is being ruined by over playing. Take your pick.

Precisely. Playing tired players loses games too, the second choice players should be capable of stepping up and doing a job. Nasri and Dzeko both look increasingly like expensive mistakes but all top sides have those sometimes! Expecting more from Aguero as he adjusts to this league, he had a good start and has a good goal to game ratio but now is time for him to push on like Silva did this time last year.

[Ted Hughes]

Can't be the precious Dzeko that isn't good enough, must be the manager that delivered us the FA Cup, a 6-1 win at the Swamp and has us top of the league that has "poor tactics." Tripe on stilts. We need a new third striker, Dzeko can either leave or be number 4. His attitude stank yesterday too, sulky big girl's blouse on a scale that even Samaras never even managed.

Not sure it was the tactics, but Mancini carries the can for the team selection. He is now tinkering like Ranieri and Benitez did before him. He had one eye on the Liverpool game and another on the cup game and didn't give Sunderland the attention they deserved.

Play the best starting 11 available for every game (cup games v lower league excepted). When players are injured or tired, rotate, but don't do it just because you can. A full strength side against Sunderland would probably have got 3 points. No guarantees but more likely. The best side available against Liverpool should have got at least a point, so 4 points. We're now going into the Liverpool game needing to win, making us more vulnerable to losing it.

If we can't use these players v Sunderland, there is no point in having them. The only player we really missed was Silva & with all the games coming up, the bloke has to rest against either Sunderland, Liverpool or Utd as he is being ruined by over playing. Take your pick.

Precisely. Playing tired players loses games too, the second choice players should be capable of stepping up and doing a job. Nasri and Dzeko both look increasingly like expensive mistakes but all top sides have those sometimes! Expecting more from Aguero as he adjusts to this league, he had a good start and has a good goal to game ratio but now is time for him to push on like Silva did this time last year.

I think we've slipped up a bit with Dzeko in that he loses his mojo when not playing & we took him out of the firing line too early, when he was in form. I think we need to get him scoring then keep him involved more, perhaps just by making sure he gets on for 20 mins as a sub in some games rather than resting him for 90 mins. He is exactly the bloke to score a goal in these kind of games if we get him firing on all cylinders but is a nervous, sulky character when not in form.

Nasri we will find out about next season one way or the other I feel.

[feedthegreek]

dont give me tired i suppose opposition teams dont suffer fatigue. we played boxing day mon, then 5days till we played sunderland
only 1 day till liverpool, but then 4 days till the fa cup match, 2 days till league cup v liverpool who i think are in fa cup, then 4 days before wigan away.

[s1ty m]

Can't be the precious Dzeko that isn't good enough, must be the manager that delivered us the FA Cup, a 6-1 win at the Swamp and has us top of the league that has "poor tactics." Tripe on stilts. We need a new third striker, Dzeko can either leave or be number 4. His attitude stank yesterday too, sulky big girl's blouse on a scale that even Samaras never even managed.

Not sure it was the tactics, but Mancini carries the can for the team selection. He is now tinkering like Ranieri and Benitez did before him. He had one eye on the Liverpool game and another on the cup game and didn't give Sunderland the attention they deserved.

Play the best starting 11 available for every game (cup games v lower league excepted). When players are injured or tired, rotate, but don't do it just because you can. A full strength side against Sunderland would probably have got 3 points. No guarantees but more likely. The best side available against Liverpool should have got at least a point, so 4 points. We're now going into the Liverpool game needing to win, making us more vulnerable to losing it.

If we can't use these players v Sunderland, there is no point in having them. The only player we really missed was Silva & with all the games coming up, the bloke has to rest against either Sunderland, Liverpool or Utd as he is being ruined by over playing. Take your pick.

Precisely. Playing tired players loses games too, the second choice players should be capable of stepping up and doing a job. Nasri and Dzeko both look increasingly like expensive mistakes but all top sides have those sometimes! Expecting more from Aguero as he adjusts to this league, he had a good start and has a good goal to game ratio but now is time for him to push on like Silva did this time last year.

I think we've slipped up a bit with Dzeko in that he loses his mojo when not playing & we took him out of the firing line too early, when he was in form. I think we need to get him scoring then keep him involved more, perhaps just by making sure he gets on for 20 mins as a sub in some games rather than resting him for 90 mins. He is exactly the bloke to score a goal in these kind of games if we get him firing on all cylinders but is a nervous, sulky character when not in form.

Nasri we will find out about next season one way or the other I feel.

I hiope all this is right, but I am not seeing it. Both Dzeko and Nasri look like blatant expensive mistakes to me. I'd throw Kolarov in to that bag as well, he is utterly fucking dreadful. That's close on 70m. There are others of dubious quality too, AJ and Savic for example. I think we have too many unreliables and Mancini needs to make changes in this window or forget the title. The worst part of yesterday was how desperate we started to look, a million miles from the stuff we saw earlier in the season.

[feedthegreek]

dzecko wasn,t an expensive mistake v spurs, or the scum all strikers go through bad patches hes having one simple,
we cant win every game were top of the league and recently played chelsea arsenal wba and sunderl;and also stoke.
well get back on track hopefully tomorrow night.

[Duckman]

we should focus on the positive: we fuckin lost and got away with it.

[Ted Hughes]

we should focus on the positive: we fuckin lost and got away with it.

That's true, we have got away with it & are still top of the league but we have to stop dropping points in these kind of games. The rags have a run of them at the end of the season & the whole power of their media mafia is going to try & psych them to the title during that period; wins v Wigan will be treated like Barca winning the Champion's Lg. If they can frighten these characters into bottling out, they can have a pretty much 100% win record at the death apart from when they play us.

If we drop points v the same teams we will come second. Enough is enough now; we need to put these teams to the sword.

[carl_feedthegoat]

One more twat mentions tiredness and Ill have a fit !

We have the best team and DEPTH and we have ZERO FUCKING EXCUSE.

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

I put this down to tiredness.

[DoomMerchant]

I put this down to tiredness.

you mean your shitty post? makes sense.

cheers

[carl_feedthegoat]

I put this down to tiredness.

Id gladly put you down.

[Fidel Castro]

Tiredness is to blame

[carl_feedthegoat]

Just saw the goal...it was fuckign Lescotts fault.

[Blue Since 76]

If we can't use these players v Sunderland, there is no point in having them. The only player we really missed was Silva & with all the games coming up, the bloke has to rest against either Sunderland, Liverpool or Utd as he is being ruined by over playing. Take your pick.

Whilst I would agree with not having some of the players outside the first 11, I've got to disagree with the 'v Sunderland' comment. I think that's exactly what caused the problem. By resting some of the best players (Silva, Aguero, potentially Balotelli) it said 'it's only Sunderland'. For the players who played, you've just told them this will be an easy game. At the same time, O'Neill sticks that team sheet up and tells his dressing room 'they think you're shit, go and prove them wrong'.

The players who got a chance yesterday and didn't take it need to take a look at themselves, but it sends out the wrong message from the manager. Taggart did the same thing against Blackburn and we accused him of arrogance. Mancini does it and people are defending the need to rotate. Sorry, it was arrogance and he got his comeuppance. Hopefully, he'll learn from it and stop making so many changes.

[carl_feedthegoat]

If we can't use these players v Sunderland, there is no point in having them. The only player we really missed was Silva & with all the games coming up, the bloke has to rest against either Sunderland, Liverpool or Utd as he is being ruined by over playing. Take your pick.

Whilst I would agree with not having some of the players outside the first 11, I've got to disagree with the 'v Sunderland' comment. I think that's exactly what caused the problem. By resting some of the best players (Silva, Aguero, potentially Balotelli) it said 'it's only Sunderland'. For the players who played, you've just told them this will be an easy game. At the same time, O'Neill sticks that team sheet up and tells his dressing room 'they think you're shit, go and prove them wrong'.

The players who got a chance yesterday and didn't take it need to take a look at themselves, but it sends out the wrong message from the manager. Taggart did the same thing against Blackburn and we accused him of arrogance. Mancini does it and people are defending the need to rotate. Sorry, it was arrogance and he got his comeuppance. Hopefully, he'll learn from it and stop making so many changes.

I think Mancini made the subs at the right time mate, he was spot on and we had enough time to win the game.

We lost because VINNY the bastid Captain DIDN'T LISTEN to Mancini.....Mancini was not at fault yesterday.