When will Suarez ban start?

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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:17 pm

mr_nool wrote:
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mr_nool wrote:Personally I'm very upset with Bellamay calling Krull a Dutch cunt. That racist sheep shagging bastard should get at least an 8 game ban too!


You're not a race, you're a country. The jocks sometimes try it on with the same kind of self importance.


Guess it all depends on how you define race and a "people" (the Dutch). That's a moot discussion, though, since I was joking (which I thought was quite obvious). By the way, I'm not Dutch in any sense of the word.


I thought it was fairly obvious I was joining in.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby mr_nool » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:25 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
mr_nool wrote:Personally I'm very upset with Bellamay calling Krull a Dutch cunt. That racist sheep shagging bastard should get at least an 8 game ban too!


You're not a race, you're a country. The jocks sometimes try it on with the same kind of self importance.


Guess it all depends on how you define race and a "people" (the Dutch). That's a moot discussion, though, since I was joking (which I thought was quite obvious). By the way, I'm not Dutch in any sense of the word.


I thought it was fairly obvious I was joining in.


Sorry, I was too self important to see the obvious.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby King Kev » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:29 pm

His ban starts tonight, Liverpool have decided not to appeal.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby david yearsley » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:33 pm

How can that be possible ? They kept that quiet then. Surely would have started tomorrow
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby CityGer » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:39 pm

The man who sanctioned the T-Shirts must feel a bit of a tit.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby stevefromdonny » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:43 pm

no Suarez tonight, great comon city lets get at them and in the carling cup aswell as he wont play in any of those games
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby The Original Special One » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:05 pm

stevefromdonny wrote:no Suarez tonight, great comon city lets get at them and in the carling cup aswell as he wont play in any of those games

Thats great news: I was worrying about his diving conning the referee
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Chinners » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:54 pm

Statement from the club


It is our strongly held conviction that the Football Association and the panel it selected constructed a highly subjective case against Luis Suarez based on an accusation that was ultimately unsubstantiated.

The FA and the panel chose to consistently and methodically accept and embrace arguments leading to a set of conclusions that found Mr. Suarez to "probably" be guilty while in the same manner deciding to completely dismiss the testimony that countered their overall suppositions.

Mr. Evra was deemed to be credible in spite of admitting that he himself used insulting and threatening words towards Luis and that his initial charge as to the word used was somehow a mistake.

The facts in this case were that an accusation was made, a rebuttal was given and there was video of the match. The remaining facts came from testimony of people who did not corroborate any accusation made by Mr. Evra.

In its determination to prove its conclusions to the public through a clearly subjective 115-page document, the FA panel has damaged the reputation of one the Premier League's best players, deciding he should be punished and banned for perhaps a quarter of a season. This case has also provided a template in which a club's rival can bring about a significant ban for a top player without anything beyond an accusation.

Nevertheless, there are ultimately larger issues than whether or not Luis Suarez has been treated fairly by the Football Association in this matter. There are important points we want to make today that overshadow what has occurred during the past two months.

The issue of race in sports, as in other industries, has a very poor history. Far too often, and in far too many countries, the issues of racism and discrimination have been covered over or ignored.

In America, where Liverpool ownership resides, there was a shameful bigotry that prevented black athletes from competing at the highest levels for decades.

English football has led the world in welcoming all nationalities and creeds into its Premier League and its leagues below, and Liverpool Football Club itself has been a leader in taking a progressive stance on issues of race and inclusion. The Luis Suarez case has to end so that the Premier League, the Football Association and the Club can continue the progress that has been made and will continue to be made and not risk a perception, at least by some, that would diminish our commitment on these issues.

Liverpool Football Club have supported Luis Suarez because we fundamentally do not believe that Luis on that day - or frankly any other - did or would engage in a racist act. Notably, his actions on and off the pitch with his teammates and in the community have demonstrated his belief that all athletes can play together and that the colour of a person's skin is irrelevant.

Continuing a fight for justice in this particular case beyond today would only obscure the fact that the Club wholeheartedly supports the efforts of the Football Association, the Football League and the Premier League to put an end to any form of racism in English football.

It is time to put the Luis Suarez matter to rest and for all of us, going forward, to work together to stamp out racism in every form both inside and outside the sport.

It is for this reason that we will not appeal the eight-game suspension of Luis Suarez.

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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby 13021J » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:58 pm

Appeal quietly and with dignity or don't appeal very loudly while stamping feet. Anyone surprised which way Liverpool chose to go?
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby bluej » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:15 pm

13021J wrote:Appeal quietly and with dignity or don't appeal very loudly while stamping feet. Anyone surprised which way Liverpool chose to go?


I think I dislike them almost as much as the rags.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby john68 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:56 am

The thing is, that Liverpool have a valid point regarding how the judgement was made and how fair and just that judgement was.
Liverpool also have a valid point regarding a precedent being set on how the evidence in future cases will be dealt with.

God knows, I have no love for either of the 2 clubs involved and even less for either of the players but I do have a sense of justice and it does seem that the independent body have simply taken the uncorrobated word of the rags Evra as truth whilst considering Suarez to be a liar.

Having read a fair amount about this, I don't know if Suarez is guilty or not, I would suggest thatneither does the Independent body or the FA.

One important issue is what is known about this case...that Evra was both insultig and threatening to Suarez. We know this because of his own admission. Neither the Independent Body nor the FA (or our media) have considered any action against Evra for something we KNOW he is GUILTY of.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:20 am

I think Liverpool's lack of retaut has to be taken into considerstion, especially after their firm stance.

He was wrong, Evra was wrong. Does that make it right?

An 8 match ban may make this get washed away but it won't change what has happened in Scouse-Land.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Chinners » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:23 am

Bang on John!
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Goaters 103 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:49 am

john68 wrote:The thing is, that Liverpool have a valid point regarding how the judgement was made and how fair and just that judgement was.
Liverpool also have a valid point regarding a precedent being set on how the evidence in future cases will be dealt with.

God knows, I have no love for either of the 2 clubs involved and even less for either of the players but I do have a sense of justice and it does seem that the independent body have simply taken the uncorrobated word of the rags Evra as truth whilst considering Suarez to be a liar.

Having read a fair amount about this, I don't know if Suarez is guilty or not, I would suggest thatneither does the Independent body or the FA.

One important issue is what is known about this case...that Evra was both insultig and threatening to Suarez. We know this because of his own admission. Neither the Independent Body nor the FA (or our media) have considered any action against Evra for something we KNOW he is GUILTY of.


Id say this is a very good summation.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Im_Spartacus » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:58 am

john68 wrote:The thing is, that Liverpool have a valid point regarding how the judgement was made and how fair and just that judgement was.
Liverpool also have a valid point regarding a precedent being set on how the evidence in future cases will be dealt with.

God knows, I have no love for either of the 2 clubs involved and even less for either of the players but I do have a sense of justice and it does seem that the independent body have simply taken the uncorrobated word of the rags Evra as truth whilst considering Suarez to be a liar.

Having read a fair amount about this, I don't know if Suarez is guilty or not, I would suggest thatneither does the Independent body or the FA.

One important issue is what is known about this case...that Evra was both insultig and threatening to Suarez. We know this because of his own admission. Neither the Independent Body nor the FA (or our media) have considered any action against Evra for something we KNOW he is GUILTY of.


No complaint about Evra was made, and Evra's admission relates to something Suarez didn't hear, and which was confirmed by independent linguistic experts as being a general profanity in Spanish, not a term of abuse about Suarez' sister as some tabloids will have you believe. Thus there is nothing to charge him for
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby john68 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:44 pm

Thanks for the clarification Spartacus, I think someone had pointed that out to me previously Mate...My bad eh!

It does seem strange however that no matter what the level of insult or type of abuse, unless there is a complaint made, no action can be taken...Even if there is an admission of guilt.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Chinners » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:50 pm

How Liverpool have not formally complained about Evra is still a mystery to me, still, thats up to them .... hmm anyone got the phone number for the FA?
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby gillie » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:59 pm

Chinners wrote:How Liverpool have not formally complained about Evra is still a mystery to me, still, thats up to them .... hmm anyone got the phone number for the FA?

Could'nt find a phone number Chinners me old mate but here is the address.

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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:07 pm

There was a full on, admitted red scouse loving, 100% Liverpudlian journo on Talkshite this morning, & he said that Damien Commoli, the 3rd in command at Liverpool, had gone to the ref with a full transcript of exactly what Suarez had said, including spelling, after the match, so basically Liverpool had admitted it, & have never had a leg to stand on nor any reason to drag it out.
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Re: When will Suarez ban start?

Postby DoomMerchant » Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:07 pm

Not sure, but i BELIEVE the Suarez ban started with last night's match. Can anyone confirm that?

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