Argentina

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Is it me, or does anyone else have any concerns with the developing situation in Argentina, together with the possible footballing repercussions for City ??

Of late, the Argentinians have started to become more bellicose again with regard to the issue of the Falkland Islands and have recently formed a financial 'bloc' with Paraguay, Brazil and Uruguay - one of the results being the attempt to instigate an economic embargo against the Falklands.

Moreover, the Argentinians will have been taking a close interest in our Government's continuing defence cuts, no doubt gleefully noting that we now have no aircraft carriers left and that the remnants of our army not being killed in Afghanistan, will be needed to police the 2012 Olympics.

To my mind, it's a racing certainty that, at some point in the not too distant future, they're going to try a (this time successful) repeat of their 1982 South Atlantic adventure, safe in the knowledge that we no longer possess the military capacity to do anything/much about it.

Such an action would result in political humiliation for our shambolic Coalition Government and, whilst I'm not averse to a bit of political humiliation being handed out to this inept bunch of retards, the overall reaction in this country - no doubt whipped into a frenzy by the rabid, right-wing media - would be one of untold antipathy to Argentina and any Argentinians living/working here; two of them being Sergio Aguero and PabZab.

My question is this; how would it affect two very important players in the squad ?? Would they stay here and continue to fight for the team, or disappear back to their own country ?? If they stayed, how would their form be affected in the hostile climate they would have to face ??....and what would be the aggravated backlash of animosity directed against City be like, simply because we continued to employ and play them ??

I wonder if our owners are monitoring such developments and might be considering lining up another expensive attacking purchase to add to the squad and, if necessary, replace Aguero, if ever the situation required it ??.........or am I the only one, needlessly worrying about something that might never happen ??

Has anyone else got any thoughts they might like to share ??

[bobby brows]

I would suggest that football and politics don't go hand in hand in this country unlike almost all others. If political tensions were on the rise I would think that the last place it would be in football grounds where angry young men have been replaced by families.

In direct relation to City, what they both contribute/have contributed to the club would overshadow any political on the sole basis of their nationality alone. Any abuse from our own supporters/oppostion supporters should simply be interpreted as racist chanting.

If a player was to express strong political views on such a subject that might offend or insight hatred then the club might step in, in the way that most players have media training each year

One hopes that politics continues to stay out of football

[simon12]

The world is 30 years older mate and I would suggest Argentina taking an embargo against Brazil a member of BRIC is financial suicide in that part of the world.

[twosips]

This is Daily Mail-esque bollocks.

[blue 68]

You are correct to assume any Argie living in Britain would be held in disdain should the situation you suggest arise and a valid point it is. Hopefully we'll simply hire a few aircraft carriers ..... And situation avoided.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Argentina have no backbone for war with us..now more than ever.

I wouldn't worry one IOTA mate.

[Fidel Castro]

Why the fuck are the Falklands so important to us anyway? Hand it to the Argies for all I care

[ronk]

Who needs aircraft carrier when you have nukes?

[Dameerto]

Why the fuck are the Falklands so important to us anyway? Hand it to the Argies for all I care

They've just discovered new oil reserves within Falklands territorial waters. The sooner we all switch to solar/fart/bio diesel the better.

[Socrates]

Is it me, or does anyone else have any concerns with the developing situation in Argentina, together with the possible footballing repercussions for City ??

I was blissfully unaware of it until now, thank you for drawing it to my attention.

Moreover, the Argentinians will have been taking a close interest in our Government's continuing defence cuts, no doubt gleefully noting that we now have no aircraft carriers left and that the remnants of our army not being killed in Afghanistan, will be needed to police the 2012 Olympics.

To my mind, it's a racing certainty that, at some point in the not too distant future, they're going to try a (this time successful) repeat of their 1982 South Atlantic adventure, safe in the knowledge that we no longer possess the military capacity to do anything/much about it.

We are supposed to be sharing an aircraft carrier with the French. I am sure they will let us use it as they fully supported the liberation of the three men and a sheep with excellent oil reserves last time round. Cough, cough. Oh yes, that's right they didn't!

Such an action would result in political humiliation for our shambolic Coalition Government and, whilst I'm not averse to a bit of political humiliation being handed out to this inept bunch of retards

You gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside with that bit

I wonder if our owners are monitoring such developments and might be considering lining up another expensive attacking purchase to add to the squad and, if necessary, replace Aguero, if ever the situation required it ??

Maybe they will just buy us an aircraft carrier? Blue68 says we can hire some but last time I was at HSS they definitely didn't have any, I'd have noticed.

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My question is this; how would it affect two very important players in the squad ?? Would they stay here and continue to fight for the team, or disappear back to their own country ?? If they stayed, how would their form be affected in the hostile climate they would have to face ??....and what would be the aggravated backlash of animosity directed against City be like, simply because we continued to employ and play them ??

What happened to Ardiles and Villa last time? Obviously they were more central figures then as they had made that record with Chas N Dave and won the FA Cup single handed (and foreigners were few and far between in those days) but my recollection is that they were unable to come back afterwards? Would they even be allowed to stay as citizens of an enemy nation?

Another factor now is 24 hour news who might pick up on the fact that the Falklands are NOT off the coast of Scotland. Support this time round might therefore be less forthcoming from the public. But if work permits were removed that would not be particularly helpful...

[CityFanFromRome]

Why the fuck are the Falklands so important to us anyway? Hand it to the Argies for all I care

They've just discovered new oil reserves within Falklands territorial waters. The sooner we all switch to solar/fart/bio diesel the better.

Sorry to step in on this, but imho solar/wind and other kind of "green" energies are not reliable for mass use. You can't know when there will be enough sun, or enough wind, to produce the needed electrical power. Imho the answer is in Hydrogen fuel cells. You can use solar/wind/etc. as a mean to produce hydrogen and then exploit its much richer energetical content to produce electricity for cities, factories, and the likes.

This said, back on topic I hope that Argentina has something more important to think about than a war for the Falklands. But even in the event that they conquer those islands, I don't think the Argentinians on the pitch would be abused too much. As someone said, it could be considered racist chanting and lead to opposing teams being deducted points or something like that. It would be silly of fans to damage their own team that way imho.

[Socrates]

Why the fuck are the Falklands so important to us anyway? Hand it to the Argies for all I care

They've just discovered new oil reserves within Falklands territorial waters. The sooner we all switch to solar/fart/bio diesel the better.

Sorry to step in on this, but imho solar/wind and other kind of "green" energies are not reliable for mass use. You can't know when there will be enough sun, or enough wind, to produce the needed electrical power. Imho the answer is in Hydrogen fuel cells. You can use solar/wind/etc. as a mean to produce hydrogen and then exploit its much richer energetical content to produce electricity for cities, factories, and the likes.

This said, back on topic I hope that Argentina has something more important to think about than a war for the Falklands. But even in the event that they conquer those islands, I don't think the Argentinians on the pitch would be abused too much. As someone said, it could be considered racist chanting and lead to opposing teams being deducted points or something like that. It would be silly of fans to damage their own team that way imho.

Sun doesn't have to be out for solar to work. Needs an international grid to make it work on a big enough scale. Would give some much needed wealth to sunny African countries so I guess that could never be allowed to happen.

[CityFanFromRome]

Sun doesn't have to be out for solar to work. Needs an international grid to make it work on a big enough scale. Would give some much needed wealth to sunny African countries so I guess that could never be allowed to happen.

True, but during summer solar works best because of two reasons, one is the better weather providing more sun rays hitting the solar panels which produce electricity, and the other one is that during summer there's a more favourable angle for the sun rays to hit the panels, and this leads to a bigger percentage of solar power being exploited.

Of course, these factors would be far less important in Africa because of their proximity to the equator and the fact that weather is generally much drier there, so I guess Africa would be an ideal place to put the panels. Another problem is the quantity of panels needed tho; they would occupy huge areas (there's a formula to calculate the area needed to produce the desired power) and it's not the prettiest thing to see, not much better than the present power plants.

But I guess we are going a bit off topic here ;)

[Dameerto]

I vaguely remember half watching something where a car was being powered by human shit. No idea how many miles to the turd though.

[Nigels Tackle]

I vaguely remember half watching something where a car was being powered by human shit. No idea how many miles to the turd though.

bp are trialling a fuel based on wasp piss...

[Socrates]

Sun doesn't have to be out for solar to work. Needs an international grid to make it work on a big enough scale. Would give some much needed wealth to sunny African countries so I guess that could never be allowed to happen.

True, but during summer solar works best because of two reasons, one is the better weather providing more sun rays hitting the solar panels which produce electricity, and the other one is that during summer there's a more favourable angle for the sun rays to hit the panels, and this leads to a bigger percentage of solar power being exploited.

Of course, these factors would be far less important in Africa because of their proximity to the equator and the fact that weather is generally much drier there, so I guess Africa would be an ideal place to put the panels. Another problem is the quantity of panels needed tho; they would occupy huge areas (there's a formula to calculate the area needed to produce the desired power) and it's not the prettiest thing to see, not much better than the present power plants.

But I guess we are going a bit off topic here ;)

Deserts aren't that pretty either, no shortage of space for them on that continent. Also would provide a future after oil for Arab states who also have plenty of the quality rays and big blank spaces to put energy farms in. Political instability would seem to be the biggest obstacle. A source of regular income would overcome much of that though. Is there the political will to do it though? Malvinas should be ok for wind power?

[Dameerto]

Speaking of solar - there was an item on TV the other day about an experimental self sufficient town in development in Abu Dhabi, called Masdar. Amongst many other things they have a solar panel electricity generating station providing a surplus, and a prototype one-of-a-kind strange dish thing suspended on a huge tripod where sun light is reflected from panels on the ground up to the dish, then from the dish down to a water filled turbine to provide steam powered energy. All very interesting.

A quick google found they have their own website: http://www.masdarcity.ae/en/

[Socrates]

Speaking of solar - there was an item on TV the other day about an experimental self sufficient town in development in Abu Dhabi, called Masdar. Amongst many other things they have a solar panel electricity generating station providing a surplus, and a prototype one-of-a-kind strange dish thing suspended on a huge tripod where sun light is reflected from panels on the ground up to the dish, then from the dish down to a water filled turbine to provide steam powered energy. All very interesting.

A quick google found they have their own website: http://www.masdarcity.ae/en/

Wow! Fantastic stuff, and it sounds like "Manchester City" does when you have a blocked nose!

[CityFanFromRome]

Speaking of solar - there was an item on TV the other day about an experimental self sufficient town in development in Abu Dhabi, called Masdar. Amongst many other things they have a solar panel electricity generating station providing a surplus, and a prototype one-of-a-kind strange dish thing suspended on a huge tripod where sun light is reflected from panels on the ground up to the dish, then from the dish down to a water filled turbine to provide steam powered energy. All very interesting.

A quick google found they have their own website: http://www.masdarcity.ae/en/

Amazing stuff that!!!

[Dameerto]

The stuff on public transport is pretty special too - everyone parks their own cars on the outer edges of the city and takes a driverless electric vehicle to their destination using a basement network of purpose-built roads. It reminds me of something out of 'Total Recall'.