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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Original Dub » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:58 am

The problem is that over the last couple of months I've become more and more disillusioned with officials culminating in me almost turning off the game yesterday because it is clearly rotten to the core.

Obviously I want us to win this corrupt league, and I think we will, against everything... But I don't know how much more of this I can handle.

I'm not a sore loser at all when we lose fairly. I might be angry as fuck, but never sore.

Its just that as it stands, when was the last time you remember us dropping points in the league fairly?? Without bogey officiating. I'm struggling to remember...
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby realistic-football-fan » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:59 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
gillie wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I really have hard time even talking about this shit. To say I went berserk with the decision is quite an undertatement.

Antti have a good rant mate it's good to get things off yer chest.This is free advice as the first 10 mins is a free consultation.


I wish I could mate but I've been basically shaking in anger eversince the decision. I don't want to talk about it. Try to get some work done and shit.

Just have to say that we were anally rape-murdered. I've seen all sorts of fucking things going rags way but that just took the fucking piss. Let's make this clear once and for all[b], Foy was fucking bought.[/b] After 1-6 and their recent form, they couldn't afford to tke another beating and in the end decided to just do it the easy way and buy the referee.


If Foy had been 'bought' surely he would have awarded the stone wall pen committed against Velencia?
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Dameerto » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:00 pm

realistic-football-fan wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
gillie wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I really have hard time even talking about this shit. To say I went berserk with the decision is quite an undertatement.

Antti have a good rant mate it's good to get things off yer chest.This is free advice as the first 10 mins is a free consultation.


I wish I could mate but I've been basically shaking in anger eversince the decision. I don't want to talk about it. Try to get some work done and shit.

Just have to say that we were anally rape-murdered. I've seen all sorts of fucking things going rags way but that just took the fucking piss. Let's make this clear once and for all[b], Foy was fucking bought.[/b] After 1-6 and their recent form, they couldn't afford to tke another beating and in the end decided to just do it the easy way and buy the referee.


If Foy had been 'bought' surely he would have awarded the stone wall pen committed against Velencia?


At that point I believe it was 1-3, so he probably thought his work was done. He still had time to deny us a pen though.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby lets all have a disco » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:03 pm

realistic-football-fan wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
gillie wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I really have hard time even talking about this shit. To say I went berserk with the decision is quite an undertatement.

Antti have a good rant mate it's good to get things off yer chest.This is free advice as the first 10 mins is a free consultation.


I wish I could mate but I've been basically shaking in anger eversince the decision. I don't want to talk about it. Try to get some work done and shit.

Just have to say that we were anally rape-murdered. I've seen all sorts of fucking things going rags way but that just took the fucking piss. Let's make this clear once and for all[b], Foy was fucking bought.[/b] After 1-6 and their recent form, they couldn't afford to tke another beating and in the end decided to just do it the easy way and buy the referee.


If Foy had been 'bought' surely he would have awarded the stone wall pen committed against Velencia?


Cant make it too obvious like,just do enough to get your cash and make sure you get the result you want and the brown envelope.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Dubciteh » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:11 pm

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I described Manchester City v Manchester United on Twitter (@RobMcNichol) on Sunday as the kind of game that you had to put aside feeling about footballers and their wages and egos - and if you couldn't enjoy that game, then you might never enjoy a game of football again.

But surely to anyone who is able to put to one side any partisan leanings and just view the game as a piece of entertainment that was as exciting as football can get. It also, hopefully, puts the bed the horrible platitude we are often force fed which suggest that red cards ruin games of football.

Look, if you are a Manchester City fan then of course it ruined it from your perspective as it seriously hampered your chances of winning the football match. But for everyone else, the sending off of Vincent Kompany was an early stomach churner on this rollercoaster of a cup tie.

It was a little like the protagonist's girlfriend getting kidnapped in the opening act of a thriller movie, setting up the hero to retrieve the situation against the odds. It wasn't pleasant, and you hated to see that happen to her, but it didn't half heighten the excitement for the remainder of the flick.

With all that said, it was a pretty woeful decision in my eyes. And my eyes are ones that look at it from an official's perspective. What I mean by that is I try to identify a good decision by whether it correlates with the Laws of football, as opposed to whether, in an ideal world, I think it ought to be allowed or not.

For instance, when a player gets cautioned for removing his shirt. I hate that. Why should a player be sanctioned for enjoying himself in the thrill of scoring a goal? It's a nonsense. But I don't blame the referee for showing the yellow card. He is following the rules. It's his job.

But in this instance, I think Chris Foy got it wrong on all counts. I believe I will quote the Laws of the Game in a second and show why I think it was wrong. It will just be my opinion, of course, and that phrase is going to be crucial as we analyse the incident, and indeed some of the upshots of an occurrence such as this. There will be some that could use the very same words, in black and white, to explain why they think I am wrong and Mr Foy was right.

Right, here we go. The first three paragraphs of the section under the sub-heading 'Serious Foul Play' in Law 12: Fouls and Misconduct read as follows:

A player is guilty of serious foul play if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when challenging for the ball when it is in play.

A tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

Starting with the first paragraph, I do not believe that Kompany's challenge on Nani was brutal, nor did he use excessive force in my opinion. The second point is a thornier one. There is an argument to say that every tackle ever made could endanger a players' safety in some way. If you leave to one side trite phrases such as 'two footed tackle' and 'leaving the ground' and simply watch the tackle, I think you will see that Kompany is relatively careful and restrained. If he had any thoughts of 'endangering the safety' of his opponent, he would have hit much harder.

And then there is the last paragraph, in which it does not necessarily say that a two-footed tackle is worthy a red card. It says that any tackle - with 'one or both legs' - which falls into the 'excessive' or 'dangerous' criteria is a red card offence. I think you have to put out of your mind any preconceptions, in a similar manner to 'you can't raise your hands' or any other piece of nonsense that is perpetuated by the ill-informed spouting them over and over again, look at the tackle and ask yourself if you think it was so dangerous that Kompany had to go. I think, very simply, that there was little wrong with it.

Of course, as soon as any bad decision (or something perceived by some to be a bad decision) occurs, the technology brigade instantly declares that football will suddenly become perfect with the advent of technological advancements being allowed into football.

A while ago I was completely anti-technology, and I have mellowed somewhat. I agree that goal-line technology, providing that tests show that it is almost infallible and quick, should be brought in as soon as possible. I would also stretch to officials being allowed to look at off the ball incidents which they missed to pass judgement on.

Calling for technology and saying it will eradicate errors - or even decrease them - is very short sighted in my opinion, when it relates to an incident such as this. There are two major arguments to make, with the first likely to be played out on the comments section of this article.

As soon as I posted on Twitter that I didn't think it was a sending off, I got a huge selection of responses. Most agreed, but there were many - enough to be a significant and notable percentage - who felt I was wrong. Kompany, they said, WAS in breach of the Laws. He did use excessive force, said they. He was endangering Nani's safety. No doubt the opinions you will shortly be debating on this page will see conflicting opinions. That's great for a site like this, but it's not so great for officiating a game of football.

A ball crossing the line is either a goal, or not a goal. A tackle like this has no official definition. It's either a red card or not, in someone's opinion. Not in fact.

So where exactly would technology help? Are you saying he should call for a replay, Cricketing third Umpire style? If so, there is still no guarantee that the decision will be the best decision. If it is down to the ref in the stands watching a TV, he could still call it either way, and still someone will be upset.

The only semi-workable plan would be that if a referee is not sure, he can ask for a replay and go and watch it himself. Technologically that would be possible, because they do it in American Football. However, where do you stop? Do you only do it for red card tackles? What about for deflections when you are not sure if it is a corner or a goal-kick? You'd be stopping after every second. And if you think players hound referees enough now, what will they do if they know the ref has the ability to stop play and check if he was right or not? Also, some referees are that pig-headed sometimes they probably would refuse to call for a replay, thus angering everybody even more.

There actually might have been one incident worthy of a ref looking at a replay, which was the 'handball' by Phil Jones. Whether or not you think it was a penalty, Mr Foy had a poor view for the incident (although I'm not necessarily blaming him for that). I suppose if the technology was readily available he could look at some angles to get a better idea of events. I know that in real-time I shouted 'penalty' but when I saw a replay I changed my mind.

Again, though, this has a flaw, because the argument would always be 'what if Manchester United got the ball and had a chance to break at pace?' If we stop the game to review, it kills one of the great selling points of football, which is that it is so fast flowing and natural. Every other sport that employs this kind of technology (Cricket, NFL, Tennis, Rugby) has natural breaks in play. Football doesn't.

It's sad in some ways that a truly wonderful game like this Manchester derby might be defined by one bad decision, but of course it's my job to dwell on such matters. Have your say on this - it is of course wholly welcomed - but then move on and revel in the fact that when football is done right, when it is done like this, there truly is no better form of entertainment on Earth.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:11 pm

realistic-football-fan wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
gillie wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I really have hard time even talking about this shit. To say I went berserk with the decision is quite an undertatement.

Antti have a good rant mate it's good to get things off yer chest.This is free advice as the first 10 mins is a free consultation.


I wish I could mate but I've been basically shaking in anger eversince the decision. I don't want to talk about it. Try to get some work done and shit.

Just have to say that we were anally rape-murdered. I've seen all sorts of fucking things going rags way but that just took the fucking piss. Let's make this clear once and for all[b], Foy was fucking bought.[/b] After 1-6 and their recent form, they couldn't afford to tke another beating and in the end decided to just do it the easy way and buy the referee.


If Foy had been 'bought' surely he would have awarded the stone wall pen committed against Velencia?


Ummm....yeah right.... I'll let this one go to make it look legit *wink wink*. If he hadn't been bought, we would've got that penalty in the end, right?
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby feedthegreek » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:37 pm

the referees performance yesterday, made the escape to victory film look tame pantillion our very own stallone nearly.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Sideshow Bob » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:09 pm

try to imagine if the tables had been reversed and it had been wio who walked for a similar "foul" against us in a derby. how much utter fucking SHITE would Sir Drunken Fuckface and his inbred army of degenerates be spouting off about the ref???????? their hypocrisy is what really fucking winds me up.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby zuricity » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:43 pm

Foy didn't give the penalty in the second half because he knew he had screwed up big time in the first half.

Foy should have told Ferguson to go away from him before and after the match.

Foy is a very poor ref.

It's time the Premiere League and the FA got the best referees from around the world and paid them as professionals.

There is just too much at stake these days.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby leewonpen » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:44 pm

Can anybody tell me what was Kompany supposed to do with his standing foot. He had no choice but to bring his standing foot into the tackle. When you make a tackle running forward this is what happens. Could kompamy stay up on his standing leg? No because he would probably ripped his groin apart, body mechanics go against this movement.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Chinners » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:48 pm

leewonpen wrote:Can anybody tell me what was Kompany supposed to do with his standing foot. He had no choice but to bring his standing foot into the tackle. When you make a tackle running forward this is what happens. Could kompamy stay up on his standing leg? No because he would probably ripped his groin apart, body mechanics go against this movement.


Kompany should have done the decent thing and allowed Nani to go round him and have a clear run on goal ... tis only fair
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Hazy2 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:57 pm

Nani, would have been asking for morphine if he thought he could gain an advantage and get VK sent off, he did not he chased back The ref in real time looked to be playing on until Rooney at him and denanded he do something.

Clear case of ref thinking oh shit 1 week later after Lampard it must be a Red card. Shocking but hey ho we get a free week and we will see the red tewats again with no fear.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:03 pm

Chinners wrote:
leewonpen wrote:Can anybody tell me what was Kompany supposed to do with his standing foot. He had no choice but to bring his standing foot into the tackle. When you make a tackle running forward this is what happens. Could kompamy stay up on his standing leg? No because he would probably ripped his groin apart, body mechanics go against this movement.


Kompany should have done the decent thing and allowed Nani to go round him and have a clear run on goal ... tis only fair


This.

No wonder Rooney was upset.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby lets all have a disco » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:06 pm

I wouldnt have liked to be the one to try and calm him down.

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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby craigmcfc » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:09 pm

lets all have a disco wrote:I wouldnt have liked to be the one to try and calm him down.

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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Big H » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:11 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:How many times in the history of watching City, can we remember a terrible reffing decision costing rags or Liverpool when they've played us ? What about the other way around ?


That's it in a nutshell.
Nevermind just playing against us, but how many red cards given to them have ever been disputable. As far as I can recall, any card given to them, has been a correct decision - no dispute, no argument.
On the other hand, how many red cards have we received that have been at best a 50/50 decision that has gone against us. Gaz Baz v redscouse the most recent before Vinnies.
Even when the referee has been shown to have fucked up (Rooney's elbow to the Wigan player last season) they still get away with it.

I know there are a couple of threads about 'Conspiracies' and 'Can we ever win the league', but with shite, crucial decisions going against us, it seems as if the powers-that-be are going to determine who wins the league, no matter how well we play.

(Which will make it all the more satisfying when we do win it.)
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby Dameerto » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:11 pm

Shows what a pro he is that he walked off without going ape about it. I'd have been wanting to deck someone.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby dario2739 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:14 pm

After the event, and now that i've calmed down... a bit at least... it suddenly came to me what Alan Hansen said on MOTD last week after we beat the dippers. Now he praised Vinnie and Yaya and said that if we ever lost Kompany to injury or ban it would harm us, bearing in mind that Yaya would be away for at least a month at the ACON... then quelle surprise Vinnie is given a straight red for a great tackle.
This then makes the very, very tame sending off of Gaz Baz look all the more sinister, as it's pretty much been his form as well as Yaya and Vinnie that have allowed our attacking players the confidence to go forward at will. So with Yaya off, losing Barry was a big blow... coincidence then he get a one match ban before the cup derby, and then our influential captain gets red carded... somehow I think not!
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby The blue egg chaser! » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:08 pm

All the conspiracy theories are shite! Sadly it's a case of ineptitude, inability to be a professional ref, not having the bollocks to make a decision, being intimidated by that alcoholic cunt and other big names. In the case of Foy then all of the above. He clearly can not ref at this level. To change his initial decision because of having a player yell at him like that horrible little cunt Rooney did shows he's not got the back bone. He was playing on as there was no sign of him blowing his whistle until the missing link piped up. Kompany was playing on probably thinking great tackle. Nani was playing on. Foy should have let the play go until the next stoppage then called Rooney over and booked him. Mancini was out of order last week. Liverpool players were out of order last week too. The sooner refs use the powers they have to stop this kind of thing the better. This sort of thing (cheating basically, along with diving etc) is killing football. Even if they bring in post match yellow cards or one game bans, it will stop it.
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Re: Just Watched The Sending Off Again...

Postby lets all have a disco » Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:12 pm

Dameerto wrote:Shows what a pro he is that he walked off without going ape about it. I'd have been wanting to deck someone.


You can clearly see he is seething inside,Vinny hardly ever scouls like that.
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