United a team in crisis?

[gillie]

Does anyone read Ted's posts until this corrupt league cleans it's act up the rags will always be contenders ffs yesterday was proof enough.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

The only top player they have is Rooney, and based on his twatting (poss. misspelled), he comes over as a real thicko.

I think they will soon fall apart.

Valencia is a quality player.

Are you serious ?

Absolutely. Tore us apart and has done before in the past. Quality winger, bags of pace, great at running with the ball and a very good crosser. He'd get in our team, no question.

[gillie]

The only top player they have is Rooney, and based on his twatting (poss. misspelled), he comes over as a real thicko.

I think they will soon fall apart.

Valencia is a quality player.

Are you serious ?

Absolutely. Tore us apart and has done before in the past. Quality winger, bags of pace, great at running with the ball and a very good crosser. He'd get in our team, no question.

If he did'nt shine against probably the leagues worst left back then he does have problems.Against Clichy he would have struggled imo but that's what this site is about oppinions.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

The only top player they have is Rooney, and based on his twatting (poss. misspelled), he comes over as a real thicko.

I think they will soon fall apart.

Valencia is a quality player.

Are you serious ?

Absolutely. Tore us apart and has done before in the past. Quality winger, bags of pace, great at running with the ball and a very good crosser. He'd get in our team, no question.

If he did'nt shine against probably the leagues worst left back then he does have problems.Against Clichy he would have struggled imo but that's what this site is about oppinions.

League's worst left back? Do me a favour.
He's easily better than Nasri and Johnson. Quick, direct, pacey, old fashioned winger with a great delivery. Brilliant player, liked him from his Wigan days.

[dario2739]

I he means Valencia was up against the league's worst left back!

Now I don't rate Kolarov that highly but not sure he's the worse, however I agree Valencia is shite! He got the cross in for the first goal and that's all I remember him doing all game... and that cross only came about because Kolarov was so far out of position. I genuinely think, had Clichy started, that cross would have never got anywhere near the box and Valencia would have been in his pocket all afternoon.

[Original Dub]

Valencia is very average. Like most of their team. As we all know (surely!) at this stage, it is a fear factor combined with a fair bit of help from officials that has them within touching distance of us.

This could continue, but I have a feeling we really will start to pull away after sunday.

Whether or not they are close to us on points, they are absolutely definitely in decline. Look at their goalkeepers... Look at their defence... Look at who they just signed.

The club and team is in decline, the officials will have to help more and they will.

[Beefymcfc]

Whatever you do, do not write United off. We've seen lately just how the name picks up points for them and with the erroneous decisions they seem to get then they will always be there or thereabouts.

Regardless of their players, or their play , they will always come up smelling of roses. It's just the way it's got to be.

[Tokyo Blue]

Whatever you do, do not write United off. We've seen lately just how the name picks up points for them and with the erroneous decisions they seem to get then they will always be there or thereabouts.

Regardless of their players, or their play , they will always come up smelling of roses. It's just the way it's got to be.

...while the chris foys of this world have a say in it.

But!

There will come a time when even the referees can't win things for them and the rest of the football world gangs up and decides enough is enough.

[zuricity]

Other fans at the game, like me are going over the recording . I did last night. There's another thread now about spitting at Vinnie. Others are picking up on Jones constantly fouling. The elbow to Micah that was conveniently ignored by ITV. They clearly have all these on various camara recordings from different positions. The speed with which they could edit so many angles for the Kompany foul shows this. I would love to see a couple of different camera angles for the micah Elbow. The Nani and Evra slaps. More often than not when it is something dubious against City it gets rehashed to death. Like those d*ckheads on talksport this morning crapping on about Mancini showing a fictitious card ( he did apologise for it Wayne !). Anything for City gets conveniently ignored ( well not always but in general).

My point originally is that Ferdinand made a shocking pass in the first half that Jones didn't get back to. Wio gives him a mouthful and Jones's gives Wio a mouthful back. You would have thought that Wio would have some respect amongst his players being a long standing un*ted player. It sure didn't seem so. Their communication is destructive and not constructive. Compare that to the way the city players try to help each other out. I simply cannot recall any one player so far this season really getting angry and bad mouthing his collegues the way this lot do. From time to time we see Edin showing his frustration about a ball not being delivered, as we saw against Sunderland, but in no way was he being abusive to his team mates like the rags are doing.

I think the strain is getting to them and they will crack big time. These players ( un*ted), simply are substandard compared to previous united teams. ( ie they are a lot less professional at covering their cheating ! :-) ).

[Tokyo Blue]

Good points, Zuricity.

A team is a reflection of its manager.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

All the signs are there for the scum to be heading for real problems and lets face it being dumped out of the chumps league from an easy group and from the CC by Palace is really bad for them BUT they still have the chance of making it a good season in the prem plus the 2 other cups they are in.

Yes there are seemingly issues in the camp as evidenced on the field on Sunday,the fact that they shit themselves in the 2nd half and took two attacking players off to try to hold on,as evidenced by the Rooney headlines( they can dismiss them all they like) and as evidenced by fairly regular poor performances BUT they are hanging on and are just a win behind us in the league.And whether we like it or not they beat us on Sunday.

We need to just focus on our results and get the wins we need and let them do what they do.Slowly but surely the cracks will open wider and other teams willl recognise there is nothing to fear. The scousers will dump them out of the cup and Spurs will push past them for 2nd place.The talk will be of baconface thinking of retiring and the future will be blue.

Feel better now so off to training in a mo:)

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Still think Valencia's brilliant. He gave us all sorts of problems on Sunday and is always a threat.
Not sure where the justification for him being average or shite comes from. He's hugely better than Johnson or Nasri.

[Crossie]

Still think Valencia's brilliant. He gave us all sorts of problems on Sunday and is always a threat.
Not sure where the justification for him being average or shite comes from. He's hugely better than Johnson or Nasri.

Good player, not sure about his work rate or tracking back. Plus if he was THAT good he'd be mentioned in the same breath as Rooney and Tranaldo, or even Nani.

Something is missing from him to make him a top player.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Still think Valencia's brilliant. He gave us all sorts of problems on Sunday and is always a threat.
Not sure where the justification for him being average or shite comes from. He's hugely better than Johnson or Nasri.

I literally laughed out loud at that last bit. I'm not saying he's a bad player but no way on God's green is he "hugely better" than either Johnson or Nasri.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Still think Valencia's brilliant. He gave us all sorts of problems on Sunday and is always a threat.
Not sure where the justification for him being average or shite comes from. He's hugely better than Johnson or Nasri.

Good player, not sure about his work rate or tracking back. Plus if he was THAT good he'd be mentioned in the same breath as Rooney and Tranaldo, or even Nani.

Something is missing from him to make him a top player.

Not saying he's in the same league as the Tranny and Messi but he offers something we badly miss- width. We really miss a good, old fashioned, byline winger.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I would say Valencia is a very good player. A real winger who has the priceless ability to cross the ball well and doesnt need a lot of space to do it. AJ has bags of skill but his crossing is poor.

[Ted Hughes]

I would say Valencia is a very good player. A real winger who has the priceless ability to cross the ball well and doesnt need a lot of space to do it. AJ has bags of skill but his crossing is poor.

I think Valencia is a good winger but not quite good enough. AJ isn't a great winger & not as athletic but is a far better footballer imo. If AJ played for the rags though, he & his team mates would be trained to create that simple kind of move which led to their 1st goal. It's no coincidence that there were a line of rags players awaiting that ball in. It's not impossible (especially against Kolarov) to deliver that cross, in fact I recon I could do it now. We would be looking to get round the back though & never have the players in position nor the intention to deliver that ball.

They work to a formula which results in goals unless you stop them. If you stop them they try something else. We try something else 1st. It is the only area in which they are better than us: rehearsed simplicity.

[sheblue]

they still have a very strong squad, and they have been written off before, anyway i prefer to look at our squad and the improvements made therein. we will get better, they will get worse, the future is ours.
I feel that it is likely that over the coming months the gap at the top will increase in our favour.

[Hazy2]

I would say Valencia is a very good player. A real winger who has the priceless ability to cross the ball well and doesnt need a lot of space to do it. AJ has bags of skill but his crossing is poor.

I think Valencia is a good winger but not quite good enough. AJ isn't a great winger & not as athletic but is a far better footballer imo. If AJ played for the rags though, he & his team mates would be trained to create that simple kind of move which led to their 1st goal. It's no coincidence that there were a line of rags players awaiting that ball in. It's not impossible (especially against Kolarov) to deliver that cross, in fact I recon I could do it now. We would be looking to get round the back though & never have the players in position nor the intention to deliver that ball.

They work to a formula which results in goals unless you stop them. If you stop them they try something else. We try something else 1st. It is the only area in which they are better than us: rehearsed simplicity.

Valencia was good against us abject against the barcodes. AJ is a sub.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I would say Valencia is a very good player. A real winger who has the priceless ability to cross the ball well and doesnt need a lot of space to do it. AJ has bags of skill but his crossing is poor.

I think Valencia is a good winger but not quite good enough. AJ isn't a great winger & not as athletic but is a far better footballer imo. If AJ played for the rags though, he & his team mates would be trained to create that simple kind of move which led to their 1st goal. It's no coincidence that there were a line of rags players awaiting that ball in. It's not impossible (especially against Kolarov) to deliver that cross, in fact I recon I could do it now. We would be looking to get round the back though & never have the players in position nor the intention to deliver that ball.

They work to a formula which results in goals unless you stop them. If you stop them they try something else. We try something else 1st. It is the only area in which they are better than us: rehearsed simplicity.

But would you agree we are missing a player like a Valencia? We've not had a quality 'winger' since Petrov imo. he was brillaint in his first season before he got crocked. Pacey and a great delivery- always causes problems.