Bayern B*ll*x

[Ted Hughes]

The CL IMO is what more or less a Euro league would be.
I don't think the big clubs will want to fuck off and make there own super league when there is this source of money.
They would be shooting themselves in the foot

The CL is the mini bus the G14 hired to break away and when the time comes they will be gone. How football clubs outside the clique throughout Europe has not got together and ushered them out is beyond me. 20 odd years of getting shed loads of dough they the G14 are seeing MCFC come along with PSG and Mlaga and the Russian mob Anzni with or without the CL we are still richer than them, That was not in there biz plans, take away the CL they are fooked. So the next plan has top be break away and games popping all over the planet. Money is king for clubs and players.The hold up is Barca and Madrid who have a very nice arrangement going on in Spain despite the hatred the TV deal is bob on for them.

It would have to generate enough income, to replace both the domestic league & the Champion's Lg. Therefore, as you say, some matches would be played in other parts of the world. I don't think it would matter a shit to the top Spanish & Italian clubs, possibly the rags too, as they are mainly supported by, gloryhunters, tourists & armchair ex matchgoers, but most of the English & German clubs would feel like their souls had been ripped out.

[Hazy2]

The CL IMO is what more or less a Euro league would be.
I don't think the big clubs will want to fuck off and make there own super league when there is this source of money.
They would be shooting themselves in the foot

The CL is the mini bus the G14 hired to break away and when the time comes they will be gone. How football clubs outside the clique throughout Europe has not got together and ushered them out is beyond me. 20 odd years of getting shed loads of dough they the G14 are seeing MCFC come along with PSG and Mlaga and the Russian mob Anzni with or without the CL we are still richer than them, That was not in there biz plans, take away the CL they are fooked. So the next plan has top be break away and games popping all over the planet. Money is king for clubs and players.The hold up is Barca and Madrid who have a very nice arrangement going on in Spain despite the hatred the TV deal is bob on for them.

It would have to generate enough income, to replace both the domestic league & the Champion's Lg. Therefore, as you say, some matches would be played in other parts of the world. I don't think it would matter a shit to the top Spanish & Italian clubs, possibly the rags too, as they are mainly supported by, gloryhunters, tourists & armchair ex matchgoers, but most of the English & German clubs would feel like their souls had been ripped out.

If the owners were to put aside the rivalry, like RM and Barca, SKY would set up a league starting next season and bang 52 weeks of the year football all continents invited big play off razamataz knock outs, the whole world would watch, Finals played like a world cup players would play and the 99% of clubs would get on with it. SKY, HBO,ABC could sell the thing billions of times over making billions for all of them. It will happen, killing the international game.

[john68]

Hazy,

These owners of the old elite have no rivalries mate. They consider nothing but money and huge fucking astronomical figures. Quite simply, Europe and the European clubs generate the vast majority of the income in global football. These greedy bastards want as much of it as they can get....and nothing...nothing is going to stop them. Not Blatter, not FIFA, not Platini, not UeFA. They care nothing for anyone not fans, clubs (other than their own little mafia). Not tradition nor communities. These bad boys give a fuck for nothing but to get their hands on money.

Their plan is quite simple...and they have the support of the lesser clubs who hope to feed from the titbits that drop from the top table. Europe has long wanted the control of football back. Until Havelange's coup, the English FA were the power. Havelange and latterly Blatter empowered the lesser nations and continents. That is why he has their support.

Europe wants that power back and the ECA is the tool they are using. Ship Blatter out, install Platini as head of FIFA as a puppet. Put Rumminigge in charge of UeFA and voila....the ECA control global football. They control the laws, the competitions, the national associations....and they control the finance....They have billions possibly trillions of dollars flooding in and there ain't a lot anyone can do about it.

Who will stop them? Do not for one minute think that our wonderful Sheik will. Not even he can take on the World....and in football terms, the ECA will be UeFA, FIFA and World Football.

The nouveau riche clubs are a threat to the size of the share out. If it was just City, they would probably just let us in, but behind us are more new wealthy clubs and we and Chelsea just happen to be at the front. It is not an attack on City, it is an attack on all of them to ensure the gate is shut firmly behind them and their place at the biggest sprting trough in history is secured.

[Ted Hughes]

Hazy,

These owners of the old elite have no rivalries mate. They consider nothing but money and huge fucking astronomical figures. Quite simply, Europe and the European clubs generate the vast majority of the income in global football. These greedy bastards want as much of it as they can get....and nothing...nothing is going to stop them. Not Blatter, not FIFA, not Platini, not UeFA. They care nothing for anyone not fans, clubs (other than their own little mafia). Not tradition nor communities. These bad boys give a fuck for nothing but to get their hands on money.

Their plan is quite simple...and they have the support of the lesser clubs who hope to feed from the titbits that drop from the top table. Europe has long wanted the control of football back. Until Havelange's coup, the English FA were the power. Havelange and latterly Blatter empowered the lesser nations and continents. That is why he has their support.

Europe wants that power back and the ECA is the tool they are using. Ship Blatter out, install Platini as head of FIFA as a puppet. Put Rumminigge in charge of UeFA and voila....the ECA control global football. They control the laws, the competitions, the national associations....and they control the finance....They have billions possibly trillions of dollars flooding in and there ain't a lot anyone can do about it.

Who will stop them? Do not for one minute think that our wonderful Sheik will. Not even he can take on the World....and in football terms, the ECA will be UeFA, FIFA and World Football.

The nouveau riche clubs are a threat to the size of the share out. If it was just City, they would probably just let us in, but behind us are more new wealthy clubs and we and Chelsea just happen to be at the front. It is not an attack on City, it is an attack on all of them to ensure the gate is shut firmly behind them and their place at the biggest sprting trough in history is secured.

Someone has to pay for it. They will decide who gets an invite. We would get an invite.

[mr_nool]

Hazy,

These owners of the old elite have no rivalries mate. They consider nothing but money and huge fucking astronomical figures. Quite simply, Europe and the European clubs generate the vast majority of the income in global football. These greedy bastards want as much of it as they can get....and nothing...nothing is going to stop them. Not Blatter, not FIFA, not Platini, not UeFA. They care nothing for anyone not fans, clubs (other than their own little mafia). Not tradition nor communities. These bad boys give a fuck for nothing but to get their hands on money.

Their plan is quite simple...and they have the support of the lesser clubs who hope to feed from the titbits that drop from the top table. Europe has long wanted the control of football back. Until Havelange's coup, the English FA were the power. Havelange and latterly Blatter empowered the lesser nations and continents. That is why he has their support.

Europe wants that power back and the ECA is the tool they are using. Ship Blatter out, install Platini as head of FIFA as a puppet. Put Rumminigge in charge of UeFA and voila....the ECA control global football. They control the laws, the competitions, the national associations....and they control the finance....They have billions possibly trillions of dollars flooding in and there ain't a lot anyone can do about it.

Who will stop them? Do not for one minute think that our wonderful Sheik will. Not even he can take on the World....and in football terms, the ECA will be UeFA, FIFA and World Football.

The nouveau riche clubs are a threat to the size of the share out. If it was just City, they would probably just let us in, but behind us are more new wealthy clubs and we and Chelsea just happen to be at the front. It is not an attack on City, it is an attack on all of them to ensure the gate is shut firmly behind them and their place at the biggest sprting trough in history is secured.

John, did you ever read Gravity's Rainbow? I think you would really enjoy it.
It's totally fucking crazy with thousands of intertwining story lines, but the bottom line is that international companies (with IG Farben being the leading one) instigated the WWII to bolster their production and profits. Since they are international players with contracts on both sides of the conflict, they will make loads off money no matter what.

Anyroad, your posts just make me think of that book.

[john68]

The way I''m seeing this Ted is; we are on the outside at present and the door ain't open.
Sadly, with the onset of the Fair Play Rules and recent attacks by Rumminigge, coupled with those comment the other day from Rumminigge's puppet, nobody seems to be wandering over to unlock it for us.

At some point in the near (or a bit further) future, UeFA will study and make a ruling or market valuation on our announced Etihad Campus sponsorship. I would suppose our lawyers and backroom boys would have stidied the small print and feel they have every loophole or weakness covered.
The judgement by UeFA will give us a better clue how they see us. We may have battered the gate down and we are in or conversely they may rule negatively and downgrade the market value of the deal. That will bethe 1st major indication of whih waythe battle is swaying.

I still think that if we were the sole nouveau club, the door would have been opened after a we had kicked it a few times. Chelsea were kept out despite their ranking around 4th richest club. Kenyon, who had initially done the dirty dealing for the rags well knew the score on this but the G14 rebuffed him/them time and time again. They did however offer an invitation to Chelsea just before they disbanded but Chelsea refused it.

[Hazy2]

Hazy,

These owners of the old elite have no rivalries mate. They consider nothing but money and huge fucking astronomical figures. Quite simply, Europe and the European clubs generate the vast majority of the income in global football. These greedy bastards want as much of it as they can get....and nothing...nothing is going to stop them. Not Blatter, not FIFA, not Platini, not UeFA. They care nothing for anyone not fans, clubs (other than their own little mafia). Not tradition nor communities. These bad boys give a fuck for nothing but to get their hands on money.

Their plan is quite simple...and they have the support of the lesser clubs who hope to feed from the titbits that drop from the top table. Europe has long wanted the control of football back. Until Havelange's coup, the English FA were the power. Havelange and latterly Blatter empowered the lesser nations and continents. That is why he has their support.

Europe wants that power back and the ECA is the tool they are using. Ship Blatter out, install Platini as head of FIFA as a puppet. Put Rumminigge in charge of UeFA and voila....the ECA control global football. They control the laws, the competitions, the national associations....and they control the finance....They have billions possibly trillions of dollars flooding in and there ain't a lot anyone can do about it.

Who will stop them? Do not for one minute think that our wonderful Sheik will. Not even he can take on the World....and in football terms, the ECA will be UeFA, FIFA and World Football.

The nouveau riche clubs are a threat to the size of the share out. If it was just City, they would probably just let us in, but behind us are more new wealthy clubs and we and Chelsea just happen to be at the front. It is not an attack on City, it is an attack on all of them to ensure the gate is shut firmly behind them and their place at the biggest sprting trough in history is secured.

Barca and RM to name two bitter rivals are the key,They may hate each other but both have TV deals Prem clubs would kill for,if they come then Sky'S ARK Will be full, without them.it fails.

[Beefymcfc]

This stuff coming from Bayern could be very harmful to us. BE WARNED.

Whatever they may be doing on the pitch, they are moving in very very high circles in the corridors of World football politics. Bayern not only gave access to the top table, they have a dedicated policy to seek to increase their power. This blokes boss, Rumminigge is no friend of City, as we have seen but he wields a massive amount of power within the ECA and is ambitious.

They see us as a threat to the old order and would seek to crush us before we get too big for our boots. Forget Sky and the media, Forget their tinpot pundits, Forget all else...but never forget these guys.

I think our 1st game in the CL showed us all we need to know about the likes of Bayern and Rumminigge. 2 clear penalty decisions waved away with the only come back being 'Inconsistencies' and 'Ref's see it differently'. If that didn't say it to people, I don't know what did.

[john68]

Barca and Madrid may be very bitter rivals in every sense of the word Mate but they have been happily working together within the G14 group and now the ECA for many years. Hatred on the pitch but fond bedmates off it. It is in their mutual interests to hold hands and fondle each other on this one.

You could well be right about Sky under present day deals but fast forward a few years...and these boys are in it for the long haul. You don't take control of global football overnight Mate...and what Sky can put on the table will be chickenfeed. These guys are thinking "total control and global."

[Ted Hughes]

John, whatever these characters cook up, our people have their fingers in too many pies for us to be left out. We would have influence in a lot of the companies required to sponsor this kind of thing & probably own or part own some of the tv companies who would broadcast it.

UEFA is a different matter. As it stands, they are completely in the pocket of our competitors who will try to get them to slap us down as much as possible. If they slap our wrists we will accept it . If they start shitting on our sposorship deals though (which will increase greatly imo) & banning us, I think the gloves will come off.

[Beefymcfc]

Let's face it, our club is well aware of what goes on at the top and are also well aware of what's needed to force our way in. The truth is that they won't be prepared to let us in in the near future so the Sheikh is prepared to go it alone in a bid to have the best club in the world.

Nobody is going to help us, why should they. It's down to us and us alone and I'm sure that even with all the obstacles put in our way, we'll make it to where we want to be.

[john68]

Ted,
I have never thought that our owners are soft touches and I don't think they would take any threat to their investment lying down, nor roll over without putting up some fight. I am quite convinced that our owners are clever men, (though at their level you don't have to be clever, you just have to employ men that are) and will do everything in their power to secure their investment.

At present, they seem to be doing their level best to comply with what is being thrown at them and hopefully that will lead ultimately to our acceptance in the elite clubs' club...or if we are not wholly accepted, at least access into the common room.

The G14 were very clever Ted, when pushed to become more inclusive and democratic or disband, on the face of it they did all three. They disbanded but then set up The ECA, which encompasses clubs from every UeFA country. That gave them far more political clout. They also did a deal when agreeing to disband. They set up a number of committees and gained access to the UeFA policy making machine as well as gaining access to similar in FIFA

As far as democracy goes, on the face of it, the ECA has a hugemembership encompassing all of Europe but they have used the old political adage of "what's the point of democracy, if you can't control it."

At present we are an Associate member club so we can go into the public bar. To be successful, we really need to be in the private members lounge. There are a lot of private members in that lounge that would baulk at us walking through the door.

[Rag_hater]

I think these elite clubs would have fucked off years ago and not got themselves in mountains of debt if this so called promised land of the Euro Super League existed.These G clubs know that they have to stay in their domestic leagues but there no harm in them making threats.They are pretty empty.
There has been talk of this Euro league for years.Its never happened and is never going too.

[john68]

I think these elite clubs would have fucked off years ago and not got themselves in mountains of debt if this so called promised land of the Euro Super League existed.These G clubs know that they have to stay in their domestic leagues but there no harm in them making threats.They are pretty empty.
There has been talk of this Euro league for years.Its never happened and is never going too.

You are right Mate...They have been making these threats for years and up to now UeFA have succumbed to whatever they wanted. While UeFA are only fighting a rearguard action and then submitting, The elite group have never been tested on their resolve,

Should they continue and succeed in their political aims of taking control of UeFA and FIFA, they will have no need to set up anything. They will simply control it and ensure that they get the hugest slice of the cake that they can get.

None of this is about football, it is about money and power and control. Very fewof the se guys are football men. \The likes of Rumminigge and his cohorts maybe major players and fronting it but they have their own agenda of power and control. These guys are simply money men. As (whether we like it or not) IS OUR OWNER....

[Hazy2]

Agree JohnLook at Baseball American football 7 games in BB to be champs, tv figures that football can only dream about in a country with it's doubts about soccer if the USA does ever buy football over this current attempts at selling it via Galaxy/Beckham the New York project/Henry,the TV deals will line up line up and we will see movement on a breakaway at a rapid pace. Asia is in South America is in, Europe done, Get North America hooked foaming at the mouth from the rags etc will be seen.

[john68]

Agree JohnLook at Baseball American football 7 games in BB to be champs, tv figures that football can only dream about in a country with it's doubts about soccer if the USA does ever buy football over this current attempts at selling it via Galaxy/Beckham the New York project/Henry,the TV deals will line up line up and we will see movement on a breakaway at a rapid pace. Asia is in South America is in, Europe done, Get North America hooked foaming at the mouth from the rags etc will be seen.

I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong Mate...I seriously hope that. But I learnt long ago that major events don't happen overnight and most take many years to develop.
The European political agenda was set up in 1870 in Germany and it never ended toil 1946.
The planned invasion of Iran (hopefully it will never happen) and all that has gone on in between in Iraq and Afganistan began the day the Shah was deposed...(?)
The G14 have been at this since the 1990s, they know the score and it may take them another 10 or more years...I hope never.

Because these things move so slowly, many simply see each item as a slice and forget about it. Few see World events as a loaf and adding the slices together can give you a very disturbing picture.

[Hazy2]

Agree JohnLook at Baseball American football 7 games in BB to be champs, tv figures that football can only dream about in a country with it's doubts about soccer if the USA does ever buy football over this current attempts at selling it via Galaxy/Beckham the New York project/Henry,the TV deals will line up line up and we will see movement on a breakaway at a rapid pace. Asia is in South America is in, Europe done, Get North America hooked foaming at the mouth from the rags etc will be seen.

I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong Mate...I seriously hope that. But I learnt long ago that major events don't happen overnight and most take many years to develop.
The European political agenda was set up in 1870 in Germany and it never ended toil 1946.
The planned invasion of Iran (hopefully it will never happen) and all that has gone on in between in Iraq and Afganistan began the day the Shah was deposed...(?)
The G14 have been at this since the 1990s, they know the score and it may take them another 10 or more years...I hope never.

Because these things move so slowly, many simply see each item as a slice and forget about it. Few see World events as a loaf and adding the slices together can give you a very disturbing picture.

John, it has been slow Gary Cooke's Nike are throwing controlled investment at Soccer USA they have the numbers playing it more than here per head, kids in amazing numbers are being coached soccer in the best programes ever seen worlwide in the best facilities. Lessons learned from Dennis Tuearts era, they will attract 28yr old players in there prime give the kids a star it will then take off in 0nce the USA have it watch that space John . Iran might just be on the agenda again. Hope not

[Ted Hughes]

John, whatever these characters cook up, our people have their fingers in too many pies for us to be left out. We would have influence in a lot of the companies required to sponsor this kind of thing & probably own or part own some of the tv companies who would broadcast it.

UEFA is a different matter. As it stands, they are completely in the pocket of our competitors who will try to get them to slap us down as much as possible. If they slap our wrists we will accept it . If they start shitting on our sposorship deals though (which will increase greatly imo) & banning us, I think the gloves will come off.

John. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about & fits in with some of the stuff which has been mentioned on this thread earlier; games around the world etc. I have been saying on here for a long long time that I recon we will make plans for retaliation should Platini push us too far. This is EDS level but it's the proof that a lot of big clubs are talking to each other & learning to run a competition outside UEFA & it could involve games outside Europe. This is research and development: a dry run for what could happen in the future. Platini needs to take heed that if this starts to run smoothly, it can be moved up a level & you can bet your arse, the potential for sponsorship will dwarf the Champion's league, as it will cut out the lower rungs of the ladder, just take the cream & leave Platini with the 2nd tier clubs. Barca on board already Real & Chelsea in next season, Rags will get the invite when it's too late for them to ruin it.

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[john68]

Ted,
Thanks for drawing my attention to that Ted. 'Tis a bit late now and having only just walked in from work, I'm only having a quick lurk on here while I have a brewor two, before I nudge the wonderful Kath over sufficiently to purloin the warmed up bit of the bed.

I have read the peice and will get back to you Mate. Only a quick comment thoiugh...In the long term, I don't see thereal threatcoming from Platini's UeFA but from the old elite. Platini into FIFA and the real badbo in this Rumminigge into UeFA...That will give him stewardship of UeFA and the ECA, wuich will be joined together under his and his cronies control. With Platini sat in the hot seat at FIFA as the puppet.

Will reply soon as.