Do we need anyone in January?

[Chinners]

samba at blackburn for me, get him for 7 to 8 million

Iuse to think that but he's not been as good this season as last, still as cover and playing with better players he might get it back pretty quick and he's ready to go PL speedwise. It's a cheap option for £8mil that might work mind.

[DoomMerchant]

samba at blackburn for me, get him for 7 to 8 million

Iuse to think that but he's not been as good this season as last, still as cover and playing with better players he might get it back pretty quick and he's ready to go PL speedwise. It's a cheap option for £8mil that might work mind.

i'd prefer Alex at half that price.

[Ted Hughes]

It's a lot to ask anyone who is bought in the Jan window to hit the ground running and make an immediate impact. In fact they can often upset the balance of a side.

Players are usually over-priced, so are worth it only if a club is desperate.

If can be worth it if you are buying one of your longer term targets, as long as you accept that the rest of the season could end up being a bedding in period.

So I wouldn't buy anyone we weren't going to buy anyway.

Bellamy marked his debut for City on 28 January with a goal against his former club Newcastle United at The City of Manchester Stadium in a 2–1 win scoring the winner, making him only the fifth player in Premier League history to have scored for six different top-flight clubs. Bellamy's next goal came against Middlesbrough in the Premier League where Bellamy sealed the three points in a 1–0 win for City. On 22 February 2009, he scored against his former club Liverpool at Anfield in a 1–1 draw, ironically denting his former employers title chances. He went on to score a brace for City on his European home debut just four days later on 26 February, dedicating the goals to his cousin who had died the previous night.


Any player in any position who makes the difference between a couple of draws & a couple of wins & turns a possible defeat into a draw in this next month, probably wins us the league. Just a little boost is all it needs to kick rags & scrotenham back down the stairs.

[Dendza]

wedding dress, thats a wife ud marry :)

[Socrates]

A quick winger who can play on either flank and a centre-half. I'd even be tempted to go in for Alex at Chelsea (if he hasn't already left). Better than the cover we currently have.

agreed about Alex...FFS if the 3.5M deal to QPR is on let's hijack it and get him in.

i believe we need a couple players this month, and it's sad that they weren't in and ready to go for the Toures departure, now made all the harder by Vinnie's suspension. Poor planning imo, OR we aren't buying anyone and Mancini has to sort it out with what he's got.

If it's the latter i think it's an act of hubris. Plain and simple.

cheers

We can't be buying players just to cover for a MONTH! It's FPP plain and simple. Our accounting year end is May so sales in the next window will not go in this year's accounts, we need to sell before we even think of buying! I'm sure that is also the real reason for wanting a sales agreement now for Tevez rather than a loan to get him out of here.

I understood that the stumbling block was that they want an option to buy & we want an obligation to buy, so we won't get the money til summer anyway.

Accounts aren't done on a cash basis Ted, they are done on an accruals basis. An absolute obligation to buy means we can count the sale this accounting year and the money due is an asset on the balance sheet and goes to the P&L as a balancing charge (gain on an asset). Same as you would count as income in full now if the fee was payable in instalments.

[Socrates]

A quick winger who can play on either flank and a centre-half. I'd even be tempted to go in for Alex at Chelsea (if he hasn't already left). Better than the cover we currently have.

agreed about Alex...FFS if the 3.5M deal to QPR is on let's hijack it and get him in.

i believe we need a couple players this month, and it's sad that they weren't in and ready to go for the Toures departure, now made all the harder by Vinnie's suspension. Poor planning imo, OR we aren't buying anyone and Mancini has to sort it out with what he's got.

If it's the latter i think it's an act of hubris. Plain and simple.

cheers

We can't be buying players just to cover for a MONTH! It's FPP plain and simple. Our accounting year end is May so sales in the next window will not go in this year's accounts, we need to sell before we even think of buying! I'm sure that is also the real reason for wanting a sales agreement now for Tevez rather than a loan to get him out of here.

I understood that the stumbling block was that they want an option to buy & we want an obligation to buy, so we won't get the money til summer anyway.

and further FFP doesn't come into effect for several years, and if we balance it right it wouldn't matter whether it's 25M for 2011/12 or the following year. Also, i'm of half the mind FFP won't even be real in a couple years anyway. Lastly, i believe winning the league is the best weapon vs. any FFP challenge as well. What would they do if we narrowly miss their targets, but won the best league in the world? i can tell you in a word what they'd do: Nothing.

cheers

THIS YEARS ACCOUNTS COUNT FOR FPP. We have shown the books to UEFA and will have been told what they will see as acceptable progress. If this years accounts are same or worse than last years then we are fucked as we have no chance of meeting the 3 year loss rule and will have to rely on the "showing progress towards" provisions. That will mean an improvement each of the 3 years rather than just the last one or two.

[Ted Hughes]

Surely we never had a chance of complying with FFP without a huge increase in sponsorship/non football revenue, which, if it comes will solve the problem & if it doesn't we have to deal with the consequences ?

As I said some time ago, we wouldn't even cover the wage bill without outside help.

[john68]

Jon,
As this years accounts are the 1st to count but last year's didn't, would it not be the case that next year's figures would have to show improvement on this, rather than this years on last year's?
I am sure that a major factor City are relying on to help our balance is theproposed £400M sponsorship of the Stadium and the Campus by Etihad. I was led to think that this had been called inby UeA to be looked at and assessed as to whether it met the UeFA fair market value ruling. Can you confirm this Jon (or anyone else) and when should we hear of any decision?

Wecan only trust that City have all these considerations in hand but to most of us, they still remain a mystery.

[Ted Hughes]

Jon,
As this years accounts are the 1st to count but last year's didn't, would it not be the case that next year's figures would have to show improvement on this, rather than this years on last year's?
I am sure that a major factor City are relying on to help our balance is theproposed £400M sponsorship of the Stadium and the Campus by Etihad. I was led to think that this had been called inby UeA to be looked at and assessed as to whether it met the UeFA fair market value ruling. Can you confirm this Jon (or anyone else) and when should we hear of any decision?

Wecan only trust that City have all these considerations in hand but to most of us, they still remain a mystery.

I think a lot of it remains a mystery to UEFA. They have not clarified what the punishment actually is.

[Rag_hater]

Swap the twat for Kaka.
Real always look better when he comes on.
He's the one who could do what Yaya has been doing.

[john68]

I think they have been deliberately vague Ted and to make matters worse, the media seem to have jumped totally on the "clubs will be barred from competition" part and largely ignored the bigger picture.

I think that the vagueness of these rules allows UeFA room to play with when making judgements concerning favoured or non favoured clubs.

Certainly, the debt levels surrounding some favoured clubs as the rags and Real Madrid make them very fragile if their income levels drop sufficiently. The rags seem able to meet their current debt payments but that could change quickly if they fail to qualify for the CL for a couple of years. I read somewhere a few years ago (I think it ewas a statement from the then rag's PLC Chairman (Smith??)) that the rags would financially implode if they failed to qualify for the CL for 2 years on the trot.

Looking at the present League table, with Arsenal outside the top four and both City and Spurs in the qualifying places. That situation is not that far removed from reality.

[Ted Hughes]

I think they have been deliberately vague Ted and to make matters worse, the media seem to have jumped totally on the "clubs will be barred from competition" part and largely ignored the bigger picture.

I think that the vagueness of these rules allows UeFA room to play with when making judgements concerning favoured or non favoured clubs.

Certainly, the debt levels surrounding some favoured clubs as the rags and Real Madrid make them very fragile if their income levels drop sufficiently. The rags seem able to meet their current debt payments but that could change quickly if they fail to qualify for the CL for a couple of years. I read somewhere a few years ago (I think it ewas a statement from the then rag's PLC Chairman (Smith??)) that the rags would financially implode if they failed to qualify for the CL for 2 years on the trot.

Looking at the present League table, with Arsenal outside the top four and both City and Spurs in the qualifying places. That situation is not that far removed from reality.

If the rags don't spend decent money soon, it will be 50/50 it happening to them. Rags squad is not much better than Arsenal's. Chelsea will have to spend big again & then they will almost certainly be falling foul of FFP in spite of being one of the clubs who were supposedly behind it. I can see a few major clubs being in the same boat by the time it comes in, & it going the same way as most UEFA initiatives.

By then we will probably own 50% of the world's best players under 18 at a cost of millions, as well as spending even more in the transfer market.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

With regard to the original question asked, I think in January we've got to buy quality which will be for both the interim and also for the long term.

We badly need a centre back and since defenders are a little easier to dovetail into a team than, say, forwards, a decent purchase in this Department could make all the difference to our title ambitions with immediate effect.

Apologies for saying this a thousand times before, but we should go all out and get Neven Subotic.

[gillie]

With regard to the original question asked, I think in January we've got to buy quality which will be for both the interim and also for the long term.

We badly need a centre back and since defenders are a little easier to dovetail into a team than, say, forwards, a decent purchase in this Department could make all the difference to our title ambitions with immediate effect.

Apologies for saying this a thousand times before, but we should go all out and get Neven Subotic.

I agree Subotic would be a good buy.Just one question Mikhail are you his agent!

[DoomMerchant]

THIS YEARS ACCOUNTS COUNT FOR FPP. We have shown the books to UEFA and will have been told what they will see as acceptable progress. If this years accounts are same or worse than last years then we are fucked as we have no chance of meeting the 3 year loss rule and will have to rely on the "showing progress towards" provisions. That will mean an improvement each of the 3 years rather than just the last one or two.

count for what tho?

it's complete bullshit. Look, you are an accountant/financial/tax dude, right? if the government came out with the shit that was FFP in a consumer market, you'd fucking advise your clients that you have fucking no idea what the fuck the government is up to, and they should try and be living within certain guidelines but for all you know the thing could get scuppered at the 11th hour because it's all over the map.

Am i wrong?

[john68]

Something also relevent to the other post you made (which I have yet to reply to) is the present quality of our youth academy. It was City's stated intention to initially buy big, whilst bringing in the World's best youth talent to create the present replacements from within.

Our results in the recent EDS European competition seem to show that we are a million miles from being anywhere near our goals.Didn't we get mullered in just about every game?

[Alioune DVToure]

With regard to the original question asked, I think in January we've got to buy quality which will be for both the interim and also for the long term.

We badly need a centre back and since [highlight]defenders are a little easier to dovetail into a team than, say, forwards[/highlight], a decent purchase in this Department could make all the difference to our title ambitions with immediate effect.

Apologies for saying this a thousand times before, but we should go all out and get Neven Subotic.

Though it has little to do with the topic, I can't tell you how strongly I disagree with that. Centre-half is the toughest position to settle into quickly.

[Socrates]

THIS YEARS ACCOUNTS COUNT FOR FPP. We have shown the books to UEFA and will have been told what they will see as acceptable progress. If this years accounts are same or worse than last years then we are fucked as we have no chance of meeting the 3 year loss rule and will have to rely on the "showing progress towards" provisions. That will mean an improvement each of the 3 years rather than just the last one or two.

count for what tho?

it's complete bullshit. Look, you are an accountant/financial/tax dude, right? if the government came out with the shit that was FFP in a consumer market, you'd fucking advise your clients that you have fucking no idea what the fuck the government is up to, and they should try and be living within certain guidelines but for all you know the thing could get scuppered at the 11th hour because it's all over the map.

Am i wrong?

You are not wrong but I would certainly advise them to do everything to stop the figures getting worse year on year.

And in answer to the other point above, the only way to judge this year's is to compare to last years so while last years don't count for FPP there is no doubt whatsoever that last years will be used for comparison purposes to judge this years!

[Mikhail Chigorin]

With regard to the original question asked, I think in January we've got to buy quality which will be for both the interim and also for the long term.

We badly need a centre back and since [highlight]defenders are a little easier to dovetail into a team than, say, forwards[/highlight], a decent purchase in this Department could make all the difference to our title ambitions with immediate effect.

Apologies for saying this a thousand times before, but we should go all out and get Neven Subotic.

Though it has little to do with the topic, I can't tell you how strongly I disagree with that. Centre-half is the toughest position to settle into quickly.

Didn't say it was easy, just a little easier and I'm convinced this is the case, so I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on this, although I do respect your point of view.

The better the player, the quicker they can integrate into a team, so we've got to buy quality, rather than someone 'cheap' just for a temporary back-up. In my opinion, that would be tantamount to a waste of money.

[Alioune DVToure]

With regard to the original question asked, I think in January we've got to buy quality which will be for both the interim and also for the long term.

We badly need a centre back and since [highlight]defenders are a little easier to dovetail into a team than, say, forwards[/highlight], a decent purchase in this Department could make all the difference to our title ambitions with immediate effect.

Apologies for saying this a thousand times before, but we should go all out and get Neven Subotic.

Though it has little to do with the topic, I can't tell you how strongly I disagree with that. Centre-half is the toughest position to settle into quickly.

Didn't say it was easy, just a little easier and I'm convinced this is the case, so I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on this, although I do respect your point of view.

The better the player, the quicker they can integrate into a team, so we've got to buy quality, rather than someone 'cheap' just for a temporary back-up. In my opinion, that would be tantamount to a waste of money.

Every title-winning side I can think of in recent years has bought players as strictly back-up options. I see the January market as an opportunity to plug a couple of gaps rather than a time to revamp the side. I think Alex could plug an important gap for a small fee. He's not as good as Vinny or Lezzer, but comfortably better than Kolo and miles better than Lily Savic. With Vinny and Kolo out for a lot of important games, it's a sigining that would make a lot of sense. He'd have to adjust to a new team but not a new league.

EDIT: What's the deal with that obscure Italian winger who Bob was in for in the summer? Cerci, was it?