Dean Windass Cry for help

[BlueinBosnia]

Bet there is not much of it in Sierra Leone.
European middle to rich mans illness.

How the fucking hell do you know how many people in Sierra Leone have depression ?

Although I hate to back him up, and this is probably the least appropriate time and place to do it, he has a point; there is, in fact, a direct correlation between the amount of leisure time made available within a society and the incidence of diagnosed depression. Can't find the report, but here's a spreadsheet from which I assume the report was derived: http://www.who.int/entity/healthinfo/gl ... es2004.xls

(Sierra Leone = 738 incidences per 100,000, UK = 961)

Good luck to Windass.

[Cocacolajojo1]

The misery movement has rapidly gathered momentum and in recent months it's become apparent that, along with the Apple iphone, the latest must-have accessory is a big dose of depression.
If you're a black South African woman growing up in a township, or a mum in a slum favela in Rio, or a supermarket shelf-stacker in Croydon, or one of the band of low-paid female workers who go to work at 3am to clean the offices of the wealthiest and most powerful people in Britain in the City of London, you probably aren't afflicted by depression. What you're more likely to be suffering from is poverty, exhaustion and a deficient diet. You will have bills you can't pay and a struggle to feed and clothe your kids.
I am not denying that clinical depression is a real mental illness, or that it can be debilitating for sufferers. But let's take a moment to consider whether depression is common among the poor or the working class?

Poor people have feelings to.

[feedthegreek]

from postman to fooballer depression can affect anyone, if you have worked all your life and suddenly nothing to do and all day to do it in it can really get to you, its far from middle to rich persons illness, also young people are more vulnerable as anyone else ,loads of energy and nothing to expend it, affects sleep patterns, and sleep is one of the most important normal every day things people take for granted.

[DoomMerchant]

from postman to fooballer depression can affect anyone, if you have worked all your life and suddenly nothing to do and all day to do it in it can really get to you, its far from middle to rich persons illness, also young people are more vulnerable as anyone else ,loads of energy and nothing to expend it, affects sleep patterns, and sleep is one of the most important normal every day things people take for granted.

holy fucking vhero. that was a post.

do you always use this style and i've never noticed it?

[carl_feedthegoat]

The misery movement has rapidly gathered momentum and in recent months it's become apparent that, along with the Apple iphone, the latest must-have accessory is a big dose of depression.
If you're a black South African woman growing up in a township, or a mum in a slum favela in Rio, or a supermarket shelf-stacker in Croydon, or one of the band of low-paid female workers who go to work at 3am to clean the offices of the wealthiest and most powerful people in Britain in the City of London, you probably aren't afflicted by depression. What you're more likely to be suffering from is poverty, exhaustion and a deficient diet. You will have bills you can't pay and a struggle to feed and clothe your kids.
I am not denying that clinical depression is a real mental illness, or that it can be debilitating for sufferers. But let's take a moment to consider whether depression is common among the poor or the working class?

Poor people have feelings to.

Peasants.

[london blue 2]

The misery movement has rapidly gathered momentum and in recent months it's become apparent that, along with the Apple iphone, the latest must-have accessory is a big dose of depression.
If you're a black South African woman growing up in a township, or a mum in a slum favela in Rio, or a supermarket shelf-stacker in Croydon, or one of the band of low-paid female workers who go to work at 3am to clean the offices of the wealthiest and most powerful people in Britain in the City of London, you probably aren't afflicted by depression. What you're more likely to be suffering from is poverty, exhaustion and a deficient diet. You will have bills you can't pay and a struggle to feed and clothe your kids.
I am not denying that clinical depression is a real mental illness, or that it can be debilitating for sufferers. But let's take a moment to consider whether depression is common among the poor or the working class?

I like this comment a bit. I don't know enough about depression to give an informed opinion but I do think there is a valid point hidden in here somewhere.

I also liked the comparison to the iPhone, although I've just ordered one so may have to prepare for the inevitable....

[Cocacolajojo1]

Peasants.

Totally agree. Peasants have no free time, especially pig farmers. Even in developed countries they toil day and night. Hence, following the brilliant logic above, they can't feel immense sadness or despair. When their loved ones die, they shrug their shoulders and get on with their life.

What i wouldnt do to be pig farmer in sierra leone, the country with no spare time!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Bet there is not much of it in Sierra Leone.
European middle to rich mans illness.

How the fucking hell do you know how many people in Sierra Leone have depression ?

Although I hate to back him up, and this is probably the least appropriate time and place to do it, he has a point; there is, in fact, a direct correlation between the amount of leisure time made available within a society and the incidence of diagnosed depression. Can't find the report, but here's a spreadsheet from which I assume the report was derived: http://www.who.int/entity/healthinfo/gl ... es2004.xls

(Sierra Leone = 738 incidences per 100,000, UK = 961)

Good luck to Windass.

Uuuuummmmm..... do you think that country with life expectancy of 41 and among ten poorest countries in the world there might be some problems with diagnosing depression. I mean, boy I bet those child soldiers are happy people.

Besides, I bet they do have loads of spare time. I mean whenever you see pictures of children in these countries they all have thin arms and big stomach. Clearly too much food and not enough work.

[BlueinBosnia]

Bet there is not much of it in Sierra Leone.
European middle to rich mans illness.

How the fucking hell do you know how many people in Sierra Leone have depression ?

Although I hate to back him up, and this is probably the least appropriate time and place to do it, he has a point; there is, in fact, a direct correlation between the amount of leisure time made available within a society and the incidence of diagnosed depression. Can't find the report, but here's a spreadsheet from which I assume the report was derived: http://www.who.int/entity/healthinfo/gl ... es2004.xls

(Sierra Leone = 738 incidences per 100,000, UK = 961)

Good luck to Windass.

Uuuuummmmm..... do you think that country with life expectancy of 41 and among ten poorest countries in the world there might be some problems with diagnosing depression. I mean, boy I bet those child soldiers are happy people.

Besides, I bet they do have loads of spare time. I mean whenever you see pictures of children in these countries they all have thin arms and big stomach. Clearly too much food and not enough work.

Pick your bone with the World Health Organisation (the figures I gave are from them, and for the age/medical factor adjusted depression incidences, ie if all countries had the same life expectancy and medical facilities), not me.

I'm sure you and cocacolajojo have years more experience than them, and are far more knowledgeable about this kind of thing. After all, you've worked for a long time within the social sciences in a post-war recovery environment, and know what you're on about... oh, wait.

[Alioune DVToure]

Does PTSD count as depression? I'm sure the number of young sufferers in Sierra Leone is through the roof.

I don't know how right or wrong I am, but I always imagine a link between depression and education/self-awareness. It's a modern term after all, which was given a physical-medical diagnosis ('melancholy') in Europe just a couple of centuries ago.

I suppose my point is that there's probably a lot more DIAGNOSED instances of depression in developed and post-religious societies. In some places, it's a social construct that just won't exist.

Or so I imagine. I don't have a very informed view on mental health.

[Rag_hater]

I find it a bit strange that people have sympathy for a person who has had what a lot of people would call an easy life.He has made a good living out of doing something that he enjoyed.If it was something really severe like carl feed the goat seems to be suffering from then maybe the feelings of pity towards him for me would be more appropriate.However I think he has something that is curable and not a source of physical danger.
He has had a decent time uptil the last few years.Hardly been suffering all his life.

[Wooders]

and we wonder why so many people don't talk to someone before topping themselves !

[Ted Hughes]

I wonder how many people were diagnosed with depression during Napolean's retreat from Moscow ? Or in Auchwitz ? Seeing as we're being fucking stupid about it.

[BlueinBosnia]

Does PTSD count as depression? I'm sure the number of young sufferers in Sierra Leone is through the roof.

I don't know how right or wrong I am, but I always imagine a link between depression and education/self-awareness. It's a modern term after all, which was given a physical-medical diagnosis ('melancholy') in Europe just a couple of centuries ago.

I suppose my point is that there's probably a lot more DIAGNOSED instances of depression in developed and post-religious societies. In some places, it's a social construct that just won't exist.

Or so I imagine. I don't have a very informed view on mental health.

The figures I quoted are incidences that would be expected were the same diagnostic tools available and mortality rates equal throughout the world.

No, PTSD isn't included. The figures quoted are for unipolar depressive episodes/disorder, and don't include PTSD, manic depression, etc.

Oddly enough (and sounding as glib as one of NQDP's assertions), there are higher instances of PTSD in Bosnia amongst returnee refugees, from what I've been told, than amongst those who stayed and endured the whole war. This is in part due to them ending up in Germany and such other places, and being diagnosed with it, which has led people into a kind of spiral of self-consciousness, which has never had to be endured by those who stayed and suffered together.

Another sick thing in Bosnia is that the two drugs that are true 'gateway drugs', and responsible for nearly all addiction problems, are tramadol and a type of amphetamine, both administered as medication to PTSD sufferers.

[Nigels Tackle]

depression is very real and is horrific for the sufferer. problem is that these days people say they are depressed when they are in fact just going through a bad patch/having a poor run of luck.

bit like people who say they have 'flu when they only have a bad cold.

anyone who has really suffered from influenza will know what i'm talking about

[Ted Hughes]

depression is very real and is horrific for the sufferer. problem is that these days people say they are depressed when they are in fact just going through a bad patch/having a poor run of luck.

bit like people who say they have 'flu when they only have a bad cold.

anyone who has really suffered from influenza will know what i'm talking about

I think that's a fair point.

Many people who genuinely have depression won't say anything about it too. A mate of mine had it for a period & actually came out of it & is ok now. I thought he'd been away for a while as he liked to travel. Never realised what his life had been like until I found out the horror stories afterwards.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Does PTSD count as depression? I'm sure the number of young sufferers in Sierra Leone is through the roof.

I don't know how right or wrong I am, but I always imagine a link between depression and education/self-awareness. It's a modern term after all, which was given a physical-medical diagnosis ('melancholy') in Europe just a couple of centuries ago. I suppose my point is that there's probably a lot more DIAGNOSED instances of depression in developed and post-religious societies. In some places, it's a social construct that just won't exist.

Or so I imagine. I don't have a very informed view on mental health.

Basically MDD (the kind of depression I assume we are talking about here) was used in medical sense in 70's.

I believe that as late as mid-60's upper classes here suffered from "hysteria" or indeed "melancholy". No one in working class suffered from any of that. They just topped themselves.

[john@staustell]

Does PTSD count as depression? I'm sure the number of young sufferers in Sierra Leone is through the roof.

I don't know how right or wrong I am, but I always imagine a link between depression and education/self-awareness. It's a modern term after all, which was given a physical-medical diagnosis ('melancholy') in Europe just a couple of centuries ago. I suppose my point is that there's probably a lot more DIAGNOSED instances of depression in developed and post-religious societies. In some places, it's a social construct that just won't exist.

Or so I imagine. I don't have a very informed view on mental health.

Basically MDD (the kind of depression I assume we are talking about here) was used in medical sense in 70's.

I believe that as late as mid-60's upper classes here suffered from "hysteria" or indeed "melancholy". No one in working class suffered from any of that. They just topped themselves.

Lee Marvin had 'melancholy' in 'Paint Your Wagon'. The remedy to to fall down muddy drunk and get your pardner - Clint Eastwood - to carry you home!

Still works for most now.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Does PTSD count as depression? I'm sure the number of young sufferers in Sierra Leone is through the roof.

I don't know how right or wrong I am, but I always imagine a link between depression and education/self-awareness. It's a modern term after all, which was given a physical-medical diagnosis ('melancholy') in Europe just a couple of centuries ago. I suppose my point is that there's probably a lot more DIAGNOSED instances of depression in developed and post-religious societies. In some places, it's a social construct that just won't exist.

Or so I imagine. I don't have a very informed view on mental health.

Basically MDD (the kind of depression I assume we are talking about here) was used in medical sense in 70's.

I believe that as late as mid-60's upper classes here suffered from "hysteria" or indeed "melancholy". No one in working class suffered from any of that. They just topped themselves.

Lee Marvin had 'melancholy' in 'Paint Your Wagon'. The remedy to to fall down muddy drunk and get your pardner - Clint Eastwood - to carry you home!

Still works for most now.

Eastwood seems really old now. I don't think he could carry anyone anymore.

[Rag_hater]

It's come as a bit of a revelation to me to discover there is so much depression in the world yet it continues to function.How things have not come to a standstill is a mystery.I suppose it's a good job poor people who feel depressed but continue to do their jobs or function do not stop like middle class people can or the standstill would happen.