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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby gillie » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:10 pm

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Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I would say Valencia is a very good player. A real winger who has the priceless ability to cross the ball well and doesnt need a lot of space to do it. AJ has bags of skill but his crossing is poor.


I think Valencia is a good winger but not quite good enough. AJ isn't a great winger & not as athletic but is a far better footballer imo. If AJ played for the rags though, he & his team mates would be trained to create that simple kind of move which led to their 1st goal. It's no coincidence that there were a line of rags players awaiting that ball in. It's not impossible (especially against Kolarov) to deliver that cross, in fact I recon I could do it now. We would be looking to get round the back though & never have the players in position nor the intention to deliver that ball.

They work to a formula which results in goals unless you stop them. If you stop them they try something else. We try something else 1st. It is the only area in which they are better than us: rehearsed simplicity.

But would you agree we are missing a player like a Valencia? We've not had a quality 'winger' since Petrov imo. he was brillaint in his first season before he got crocked. Pacey and a great delivery- always causes problems.

I know a poster on here who will disagree with you about Petrov lol.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:19 pm

gillie wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:I would say Valencia is a very good player. A real winger who has the priceless ability to cross the ball well and doesnt need a lot of space to do it. AJ has bags of skill but his crossing is poor.


I think Valencia is a good winger but not quite good enough. AJ isn't a great winger & not as athletic but is a far better footballer imo. If AJ played for the rags though, he & his team mates would be trained to create that simple kind of move which led to their 1st goal. It's no coincidence that there were a line of rags players awaiting that ball in. It's not impossible (especially against Kolarov) to deliver that cross, in fact I recon I could do it now. We would be looking to get round the back though & never have the players in position nor the intention to deliver that ball.

They work to a formula which results in goals unless you stop them. If you stop them they try something else. We try something else 1st. It is the only area in which they are better than us: rehearsed simplicity.

But would you agree we are missing a player like a Valencia? We've not had a quality 'winger' since Petrov imo. he was brillaint in his first season before he got crocked. Pacey and a great delivery- always causes problems.

I know a poster on here who will disagree with you about Petrov lol.

Petrov first season was outstanding.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:21 pm

I would like us to have a player who does what Valencia does but not Valencia. I would like someone better.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:24 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:I would like us to have a player who does what Valencia does but not Valencia. I would like someone better.

But we are badly lacking any sort of player who can do that. I'd even take someone like Lennon. Not as a starter but he'd give us another dimension.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Ted Hughes » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:37 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I would like us to have a player who does what Valencia does but not Valencia. I would like someone better.

But we are badly lacking any sort of player who can do that. I'd even take someone like Lennon. Not as a starter but he'd give us another dimension.


I like our passing game & don't want to bring in a player who would keep fucking it up. That's why SWP has gone. Every winger will lose the ball a fair bit if they take on defenders but the likes of Lennon, SWP, Walcott etc make more wrong decisions than right ones & usually fuck up the final pass. Valencia produces a lot more decent final ball but imo he's just not quite on the same level football wise as City's players, even the ones who get shit for it. Something is missing in him.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:43 pm

I agree about the other dimension but I feel we need a good winger that is capable of ball retention in the final third. Someone like Sanchez or Lavezzi.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby john68 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:12 pm

For the 2nd time in 24 hours, I have to admit to being naive. My belief was that, because of the Glazers and the loss of key players, they would simply implode and we would all have beeen laughing and partying at their fast fall from grace a few seasons ago. It never happened.

A a top well paid executive who loses his job, the effects become somewhat delayed. He has already built up a huge bank account, his house is aready furnished with the best furniture and technology. For a period, his quality of life hardly changes as he lives off his resources.
Slowly his account depletes, the carpet wears and eventually his widescreen 3d HD TV fizzles and fades. He looks at his account, finds he cannot afford to replace them. He juggles his finances, sells the family jewellery but at some point finds he can't cope financially and his quality of life diminishes...Not implodes but slowly, his life bleeds away.

That gents, is the situation we have at the swamp. Slowly it is falling apart. The factors that kept them at the top have been removed, They are dying, very slowly, but dying nevertheless.It may take some time but as time goes by, the speed of their demise will eventually accelerate.

It is just a bit sad for them that the club who is replacing them at the top is the club they chose to ignore and insulkt for so many years...I hope they never want sympathy...hahahahaha
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby bigblue » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:31 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I would like us to have a player who does what Valencia does but not Valencia. I would like someone better.

But we are badly lacking any sort of player who can do that. I'd even take someone like Lennon. Not as a starter but he'd give us another dimension.


Theres a reason that the Barca controlled passing system has eclipsed the "get round the defense and whip in a cross" system. Ball retention is key. Making the other team chase shadows for 90 minutes is key.

I'd gladly have players like Nasri who can keep the ball and engineer a chance to score over speed merchants who can play a good ball in. For all the people giving Nasri shit about his performances - he still has the 2nd most assists in the league (7) behind Silva (10). Not too bad for the first 1/2 season at a new club.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:59 pm

bigblue wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I would like us to have a player who does what Valencia does but not Valencia. I would like someone better.

But we are badly lacking any sort of player who can do that. I'd even take someone like Lennon. Not as a starter but he'd give us another dimension.


Theres a reason that the Barca controlled passing system has eclipsed the "get round the defense and whip in a cross" system. Ball retention is key. Making the other team chase shadows for 90 minutes is key.

I'd gladly have players like Nasri who can keep the ball and engineer a chance to score over speed merchants who can play a good ball in. For all the people giving Nasri shit about his performances - he still has the 2nd most assists in the league (7) behind Silva (10). Not too bad for the first 1/2 season at a new club.

Just because Barca do it, it does not mean its the only way you can. It doesn't mean you have to do it like that either.
Look how many goals United get from crossing the ball in and attacking it. I'm not suggesting that should be our plan a but it would certainly be a damn useful plan b if we're struggling to break teams down as we have seen on numerous occasions this season. You can't always pass through a team.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby zuricity » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:51 pm

24.36 minutes into the first half last Sunday, jones , who seconds earlier gave the ball to City, points like blackadder does to the nuns wimple in george's painting of "the nun and the hun", and gesticulates to the ref that he was going for that round thing on the floor. When ha actually leathered Kun on thecside of the knee with a right leg swipe from behind ....

what the f*ck were you doing then Mr Foy? You had it in full view!
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby feedthegreek » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:53 pm

bump,
according to a guy on bluemoon. i know, but this guy prestwich blue as been on gmr discussing fifa fair play with ian cheeseman so hes not just some poster, reckons that scum owners have to find 20 mill to pay off some interest on a loan for the first of feb , originally it had been thought it was april or summat, to give this some credibility gary james as been on the same topic discussing it with him.
its on their general football forum under rags in financial trouble thread.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:08 pm

feedthegreek wrote:bump,
according to a guy on bluemoon. i know, but this guy prestwich blue as been on gmr discussing fifa fair play with ian cheeseman so hes not just some poster, reckons that scum owners have to find 20 mill to pay off some interest on a loan for the first of feb , originally it had been thought it was april or summat, to give this some credibility gary james as been on the same topic discussing it with him.
its on their general football forum under rags in financial trouble thread.


cheeky 20M bid for Rooney just to see if they agree, then pull out at the last second...and cream in their faces?

just an idea.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:27 pm

I told you they weren't in crisis, Sky Sports have just said that they can go back to the top of the league if they win this weekend.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:32 pm

Surely 20 mil isn't enough to cause them serious problems. They can just go into more debt.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby zuricity » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:42 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:Surely 20 mil isn't enough to cause them serious problems. They can just go into more debt.


So that's why that Tw*t Foy sent Vinnie off.... ! So they could have an extra whip round in the fourth round game....

Shame it's being played at Scouse 1.....
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:51 pm

zuricity wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Surely 20 mil isn't enough to cause them serious problems. They can just go into more debt.


So that's why that Tw*t Foy sent Vinnie off.... ! So they could have an extra whip round in the fourth round game....

Shame it's being played at Scouse 1.....

But United get half the gate receipts, why do think our game was priced so high.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby gary james » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:10 pm

feedthegreek wrote:bump,
according to a guy on bluemoon. i know, but this guy prestwich blue as been on gmr discussing fifa fair play with ian cheeseman so hes not just some poster, reckons that scum owners have to find 20 mill to pay off some interest on a loan for the first of feb , originally it had been thought it was april or summat, to give this some credibility gary james as been on the same topic discussing it with him.
its on their general football forum under rags in financial trouble thread.


Thought I'd best comment. On the other forum there was talk of Glazers/Utd struggling to pay their next £20m instalment. Personally, I have no idea whether that's true or not, but someone suggested it wasn't an issue as Utd would always find someone to invest (again may be true), but comparisons were also made with City's financial state towards the end of Thaksin's time. My general response was:

Very Interesting. Utd's modern history means the club's always likely to find someone to invest, but I guess the biggest difference between City in July 09 and Utd today is that the Blues had significant opportunity for growth... that's not true with Utd. In terms of success Utd can't really take a great leap forward; in terms of fanbase the same is true; cost cutting... possibly but is that what their fans will want.

I also can't really see Utd's former Chairman digging in his pockets and paying players' wages like JW did.


I added later, after someone said all City fans should hope the Glazers remain:

Totally agree that it's worse for Utd if the Glazers remain. The point about the wages was just to illustrate the difference (I doubt Utd's former Chairman could afford to pay their present squad's wage bill if the situation arose anyway).

While the Glazers remain at Utd their thoughts seem to be short term.

I also reckon that Gary Neville's plans for his supporter complex may harm Utd's financial position - it may seem odd, but I'm sure Utd fans would much rather put money into his place than into the Glazer family's pockets. So one of their biggest heroes could unwittingly damage their club's financial position further!


Hope this helps put my comments into context. I still have no idea whether the £20m instalment is an issue or not. I'm not a financial expert, but I still believe the comments above are valid.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:27 pm

gary james wrote:
feedthegreek wrote:bump,
according to a guy on bluemoon. i know, but this guy prestwich blue as been on gmr discussing fifa fair play with ian cheeseman so hes not just some poster, reckons that scum owners have to find 20 mill to pay off some interest on a loan for the first of feb , originally it had been thought it was april or summat, to give this some credibility gary james as been on the same topic discussing it with him.
its on their general football forum under rags in financial trouble thread.


Thought I'd best comment. On the other forum there was talk of Glazers/Utd struggling to pay their next £20m instalment. Personally, I have no idea whether that's true or not, but someone suggested it wasn't an issue as Utd would always find someone to invest (again may be true), but comparisons were also made with City's financial state towards the end of Thaksin's time. My general response was:

Very Interesting. Utd's modern history means the club's always likely to find someone to invest, but I guess the biggest difference between City in July 09 and Utd today is that the Blues had significant opportunity for growth... that's not true with Utd. In terms of success Utd can't really take a great leap forward; in terms of fanbase the same is true; cost cutting... possibly but is that what their fans will want.

I also can't really see Utd's former Chairman digging in his pockets and paying players' wages like JW did.


I added later, after someone said all City fans should hope the Glazers remain:

Totally agree that it's worse for Utd if the Glazers remain. The point about the wages was just to illustrate the difference (I doubt Utd's former Chairman could afford to pay their present squad's wage bill if the situation arose anyway).

While the Glazers remain at Utd their thoughts seem to be short term.

I also reckon that Gary Neville's plans for his supporter complex may harm Utd's financial position - it may seem odd, but I'm sure Utd fans would much rather put money into his place than into the Glazer family's pockets. So one of their biggest heroes could unwittingly damage their club's financial position further!


Hope this helps put my comments into context. I still have no idea whether the £20m instalment is an issue or not. I'm not a financial expert, but I still believe the comments above are valid.


I cetainly agree that the longer the Glazers remain, the better. I fear they will sell up before too long though. Hopefully they will asset strip them completely before leaving.
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby mcfc1632 » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:34 pm

I cetainly agree that the longer the Glazers remain, the better. I fear they will sell up before too long though. Hopefully they will asset strip them completely before leaving.[/quote]


I hope that they asset atrip to such an extent that the last man does not need to turn the light out - as it has been cut-off due to non-payment
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Re: United a team in crisis?

Postby Rag_hater » Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:47 pm

mcfc1632 wrote:I cetainly agree that the longer the Glazers remain, the better. I fear they will sell up before too long though. Hopefully they will asset strip them completely before leaving.



I hope that they asset atrip to such an extent that the last man does not need to turn the light out - as it has been cut-off due to non-payment[/quote]

Like Mr.DH it sounds as if you have been on the Carlsberg.I fear the fuckers will not suffer in any way whatsoever.They will probably get Jose when the red nose twat retires.
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