Dzeko

[Duckman]

man dont assum becose u live here for few years that u understan us , before the nacionalisam there was the firms in yugoslavia so u dont know wath u talking abaut , , and for such a small country like Bosnia i think we have amazing funs and greece funs was always one of the best funs in europe , english football is like a theatre now in funs sense ,so stop compering and ,u cant compere Bosnia with biger countrys , i m suprised that u find your self talking like u are born here u dont know fuck abaut our country u are in your head british and u will always think like that and wath u relly know abaut Yugoslavia is the things we told u but there is much u dont have clue...the guy say to me i dont know how is this or how is that and he dont know who i am thats funy to me....

There was a surge in the formation of supporters' groups from the late 1980s onwards in Bosnia (Robijasi 1988, Maniacs 1987, Horde Zla 1986, Fukare 1990) after Red Army Mostar formed in 1981. Although they'd existed throughout Yugoslavia much eacrlier (Torcidi c.1950- Europe's oldest supporters' club-, Grobari 1970, etc.), these weren't 'firms' in the modern sense, but supporters' groups. It's only from the late 1980s, with the social unrest, that these became violence-oriented.

Unlike you, I've been to games in Britain (probably around 300, at 20-30 different grounds, and in each of the top 7 divisions, as well as the Welsh Premiership), and can tell you that it is not 'like a theatre' at all. It may be in the Premier League these days, but our third and fourth leagues have much, much more passion and atmosphere (that isn't based on ethnic or nationalistic hatred, but on pure football support) than you will find at any league game in Bosnia (where I've been to about 15 games, in the top 3 divisions) except the Sarajevo derby (which has its numbers swelled by people who hardly bother to attend any game except that).

I agree it's a bit of a poor comparison when going on the size of the countries, but you were the one who first drew comparisons between the fans.

becose he told me i domt know this or that , stop with the crap Andrew u kow that we know all shit that can hapen to the funs

The last time I was at a game, it was Vojvodina - Partizan, few years ago, here in Novi Sad. I went out for a walk, smoked a foot long joint, saw the crowd outside the stadium, said wtf, lets give it a go.
Man, I lasted 25 minutes. I was surrounded with Grobari, although I was in the west stand, where locals/old people usually are, and was listening to them "football fans"...man, they know shit about football, they dont even care, all the chatter was cursing at their own players, i fuck his mom, he sucks my dick, stuff like that...They didnt even watch the game.So I got disgusted and left to have a pint.

The quality of football on the pitch was non existant, so could I blame them? Yes, a bunch of nationalists, racists and fascists that would fuck you up over supporting another shit club in a shit game they dont understand.

I rather have theater atmosphere over this shit. anyday anytime.

[ashton287]

Personally I think if he is played right he can score. He isn't shit, he just isn't aguero. He does have pace, he can finish, he can head and is strong (sometimes).

What is really holding him back is his positioning. he is either trying to be something he is not in an attempt to fit in, under orders to be something he is not to fit in or is just a positional retard who doesn't know where he should be. In the box he is a threat and that is where he should stay. Nasri and Milner CAN cross, I have seen it with my own blue peepers. Richards and clichy and kolarov can all put dangerous balls into the box. He is just rarely in the box to get on the end of them.

He should be stood chatting to the last CB whenever the ball isn't in/on its way to the box. When the ball is in the box he should be in the 6 yard box waiting for the tap in or the header. Im not even fucking Bosnian but it does piss me off that we struggle against shit teams by being too smart when all we need to do is put the ball and dzeko in the box.

[PALUS]

The game against ManU we were 3-0 up already when he came on and they were still chasing the game and he had loads of space!

I just used that game as an example of what he can do when u play him facing the goal. I know City was already up 3-0 and had an extra man on the field.

A good 20 mins with loads of space hardly helps your point. His only other good game was when he had space too v Tottenham.

What on earth do you mean "his only other good game" ? Come on , give it a rest . Dzeko is a very good player , just like all of our squad. We've had a very hard month, not the eight games , but the teams and competitions. We've been deal some pretty hard decisions and situations ( bans , strange refs ) and yet people are persisting in bitching and moaning about the players.

We all knew it would be 'ard ( " 'arry speak " ), some on this site settled for second behind united at the end of January.

We are top, still playing great football and as players come back ,as it starts getting warmer, as we move into a less stressful february and march, watch City kick on.....

This thread is getting ridiculous with the constant bitching about Edin. The guy is quality, just like all of our squad.

Sorry, did he have a third good game? If so I have forgotten it = perhaps you could remind me which it was? i don't doubt he is a good player but he is soft and he doesn't suit the way we play.

ok so u remember the game with bolton , score one assist one , game with arsenal when ewrybody say he was the best even here MOTM when he give that beutifol pass to jhonson, game against fulham when we lost 2 0 advantage he was one of the best ,game with aris beat aris score twice , game with wigan give City 3 pts fron shity game , game with Swansea score play relly good infact in first 3 games he score 4 goals, wolwes in leugue cup score 2 play greath , wolwes in leugue open them up ,withaout DZeko u will drop last year from FA Cup from Notts County and not win it. Crucial goal against Blackburn get us in C.L.and that was just od the top of my mind , and when u look at this stats then i can belive that somwone can say hes total shite and worse then Carol
League/ play17 games /score 11 goals/
FA Cup /play 0 games /score 0 goals/
League Cup/play 3 games/ score 2 goals/
Europe/play 6 games /score 1 goal/
Total until now /play 26 games /score 14 goals/ and just to compere i will not write all now but Kun Aguero play 28 games/ score 18 goals so we have two players who score 32 goals in54 games if u add ballo there that is probobly goal for a game from those 3 players so is it realy Edin now the big problem or we play to slow to compliceted even Kun dont have space, so there mate there is few games you dont remember.

[PALUS]

man dont assum becose u live here for few years that u understan us , before the nacionalisam there was the firms in yugoslavia so u dont know wath u talking abaut , , and for such a small country like Bosnia i think we have amazing funs and greece funs was always one of the best funs in europe , english football is like a theatre now in funs sense ,so stop compering and ,u cant compere Bosnia with biger countrys , i m suprised that u find your self talking like u are born here u dont know fuck abaut our country u are in your head british and u will always think like that and wath u relly know abaut Yugoslavia is the things we told u but there is much u dont have clue...the guy say to me i dont know how is this or how is that and he dont know who i am thats funy to me....

There was a surge in the formation of supporters' groups from the late 1980s onwards in Bosnia (Robijasi 1988, Maniacs 1987, Horde Zla 1986, Fukare 1990) after Red Army Mostar formed in 1981. Although they'd existed throughout Yugoslavia much eacrlier (Torcidi c.1950- Europe's oldest supporters' club-, Grobari 1970, etc.), these weren't 'firms' in the modern sense, but supporters' groups. It's only from the late 1980s, with the social unrest, that these became violence-oriented.

Unlike you, I've been to games in Britain (probably around 300, at 20-30 different grounds, and in each of the top 7 divisions, as well as the Welsh Premiership), and can tell you that it is not 'like a theatre' at all. It may be in the Premier League these days, but our third and fourth leagues have much, much more passion and atmosphere (that isn't based on ethnic or nationalistic hatred, but on pure football support) than you will find at any league game in Bosnia (where I've been to about 15 games, in the top 3 divisions) except the Sarajevo derby (which has its numbers swelled by people who hardly bother to attend any game except that).

I agree it's a bit of a poor comparison when going on the size of the countries, but you were the one who first drew comparisons between the fans.

becose he told me i domt know this or that , stop with the crap Andrew u kow that we know all shit that can hapen to the funs

The last time I was at a game, it was Vojvodina - Partizan, few years ago, here in Novi Sad. I went out for a walk, smoked a foot long joint, saw the crowd outside the stadium, said wtf, lets give it a go.
Man, I lasted 25 minutes. I was surrounded with Grobari, although I was in the west stand, where locals/old people usually are, and was listening to them "football fans"...man, they know shit about football, they dont even care, all the chatter was cursing at their own players, i fuck his mom, he sucks my dick, stuff like that...They didnt even watch the game.So I got disgusted and left to have a pint.

The quality of football on the pitch was non existant, so could I blame them? Yes, a bunch of nationalists, racists and fascists that would fuck you up over supporting another shit club in a shit game they dont understand.

I rather have theater atmosphere over this shit. anyday anytime.

Mate i dont wont to mix politics here but in Serbia funs are taken over by hard core nacionalist for other purpuses like burn Belograde for some political reasons , but this is the thing the guy say to me i dont know how is to watch your team loose or how is to bring somthing in the stadium or to go somwhere where is relly dangerus that is simply not true , we cant compere with big country but i can say by my opinion , Italy Greece and some teams in France and Germany have more funs atmsfere then Premiere...

[Socrates]

I just used that game as an example of what he can do when u play him facing the goal. I know City was already up 3-0 and had an extra man on the field.

A good 20 mins with loads of space hardly helps your point. His only other good game was when he had space too v Tottenham.

What on earth do you mean "his only other good game" ? Come on , give it a rest . Dzeko is a very good player , just like all of our squad. We've had a very hard month, not the eight games , but the teams and competitions. We've been deal some pretty hard decisions and situations ( bans , strange refs ) and yet people are persisting in bitching and moaning about the players.

We all knew it would be 'ard ( " 'arry speak " ), some on this site settled for second behind united at the end of January.

We are top, still playing great football and as players come back ,as it starts getting warmer, as we move into a less stressful february and march, watch City kick on.....

This thread is getting ridiculous with the constant bitching about Edin. The guy is quality, just like all of our squad.

Sorry, did he have a third good game? If so I have forgotten it = perhaps you could remind me which it was? i don't doubt he is a good player but he is soft and he doesn't suit the way we play.

ok so u remember the game with bolton , score one assist one , game with arsenal when ewrybody say he was the best even here MOTM when he give that beutifol pass to jhonson, game against fulham when we lost 2 0 advantage he was one of the best ,game with aris beat aris score twice , game with wigan give City 3 pts fron shity game , game with Swansea score play relly good infact in first 3 games he score 4 goals, wolwes in leugue cup score 2 play greath , wolwes in leugue open them up ,withaout DZeko u will drop last year from FA Cup from Notts County and not win it. Crucial goal against Blackburn get us in C.L.and that was just od the top of my mind , and when u look at this stats then i can belive that somwone can say hes total shite and worse then Carol
League/ play17 games /score 11 goals/
FA Cup /play 0 games /score 0 goals/
League Cup/play 3 games/ score 2 goals/
Europe/play 6 games /score 1 goal/
Total until now /play 26 games /score 14 goals/ and just to compere i will not write all now but Kun Aguero play 28 games/ score 18 goals so we have two players who score 32 goals in54 games if u add ballo there that is probobly goal for a game from those 3 players so is it realy Edin now the big problem or we play to slow to compliceted even Kun dont have space, so there mate there is few games you dont remember.

The odd goal isn't what I am meaning Palus, we could stick Micah upfront and he'll score sometimes. It's not like we'd have had to play with ten men if he wasn't available, I am sure their are a fair few strikers who could match those achievements and a few that would better them.

We don't have space because teams no longer allow us space, Aguero can create space by beating players, sometimes, and Balo can do that most of the time. It just isn't Edin's strength. Maybe I'm being harsh in saying he doesn't suit our style of play, the reality is he doesn't suit our opponents style of defending against us! Not his fault, not really anyone's, but he has to find a way to adapt or he will simply not get game time.

[zuricity]

Good ol' Palus. Saved me from responding to Socs badgering....

I think you will find Edin has played very well in many games. He's had some off days, but they are not all down to any lack of enthusiasm. Moreover, when the team doesn't gel , he is not one of those players that can make the impact to get the result. If Silva, Barry, Nasri , Milner and Johnson are struggling , so does Edin. So does Mario and Kun btw.

[Socrates]

Good ol' Palus. Saved me from responding to Socs badgering....

I think you will find Edin has played very well in many games. He's had some off days, but they are not all down to any lack of enthusiasm. Moreover, when the team doesn't gel , he is not one of those players that can make the impact to get the result. If Silva, Barry, Nasri , Milner and Johnson are struggling , so does Edin. So does Mario and Kun btw.

Bet you couldn't remember any :)

[zuricity]

Good ol' Palus. Saved me from responding to Socs badgering....

I think you will find Edin has played very well in many games. He's had some off days, but they are not all down to any lack of enthusiasm. Moreover, when the team doesn't gel , he is not one of those players that can make the impact to get the result. If Silva, Barry, Nasri , Milner and Johnson are struggling , so does Edin. So does Mario and Kun btw.

Bet you couldn't remember any :)

dont' be silly, of course I can, I have only missed one game so far this season and I might add I have visited the Etihad and other grounds this year on many occasions, ( cost me a fortune in air flights so far !).

In particular he has held the line in several games very well, even if he wasn't on the score sheet.

[PALUS]

Good ol' Palus. Saved me from responding to Socs badgering....

I think you will find Edin has played very well in many games. He's had some off days, but they are not all down to any lack of enthusiasm. Moreover, when the team doesn't gel , he is not one of those players that can make the impact to get the result. If Silva, Barry, Nasri , Milner and Johnson are struggling , so does Edin. So does Mario and Kun btw.

Bet you couldn't remember any :)

cant belive some arguments ffs then put micah up front , like dzeko score somtimes, he score evry other game by stats like aguero and if we dont have space its time that manager fix somthing, becose he has greath team and 3 strikers who can score they prove that .togheter so far they score araund 50 goals and its not just dzeko stop scoring kun also, that mean its the problem becose teams know now wath to do to stop us ,he will be that guy who score when u give him the ball in chance and thats hes job he will score , but there is no chance any more , and its Ed foult becose he needs to drible like Maradona and score , ridicilus......

[Socrates]

Good ol' Palus. Saved me from responding to Socs badgering....

I think you will find Edin has played very well in many games. He's had some off days, but they are not all down to any lack of enthusiasm. Moreover, when the team doesn't gel , he is not one of those players that can make the impact to get the result. If Silva, Barry, Nasri , Milner and Johnson are struggling , so does Edin. So does Mario and Kun btw.

Bet you couldn't remember any :)

cant belive some arguments ffs then put micah up front , like dzeko score somtimes, he score evry other game by stats like aguero and if we dont have space its time that manager fix somthing, becose he has greath team and 3 strikers who can score they prove that .togheter so far they score araund 50 goals and its not just dzeko stop scoring kun also, that mean its the problem becose teams know now wath to do to stop us ,he will be that guy who score when u give him the ball in chance and thats hes job he will score , but there is no chance any more , and its Ed foult becose he needs to drible like Maradona and score , ridicilus......

Mancini cannot stop sides defending in numbers, wtf do you expect him to do? If they continue to defend in numbers then Dzeko is not the man for the job, that is plain. Spot on palus - we need someone who can dribble and score like Maradona instead.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

We put in 32 crosses against Everton. Just saying!

[PALUS]

We put in 32 crosses against Everton. Just saying!

fuck we put 32 crosses somwhere look at filth cross u dont need to hit the ball just put the head there , and by the way wath Manchini shuld do wath managers are pay to do fix the problem chenge aproach , play faster ffs against everton one counter atack all game when aguero didnt pass ball in front off dzeko , bilion passes araund and araund and defence now knows wath we traying find space for 1 -2 and there is no idea to change if that dosent work , and u see by plain eye that City is bether just dont know how to score that plus luck plus refere , horible refere u lost a gane .....i dont care fuck if u think that Edin is crap let him on bench but its sure now that we have a problem like a team not individual problem.....

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I don't think Edin is crap. I have never said Edin is crap. I am aware that the problems we face at the moment in terms of scoring are a team issue and not an individual one.

BUT Edin did play crap against Everton.

[PALUS]

I don't think Edin is crap. I have never said Edin is crap. I am aware that the problems we face at the moment in terms of scoring are a team issue and not an individual one.

BUT Edin did play crap against Everton.

AGREE BUT SO KUN JHONSON BARRY AND NASRI ....

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I don't think Edin is crap. I have never said Edin is crap. I am aware that the problems we face at the moment in terms of scoring are a team issue and not an individual one.

BUT Edin did play crap against Everton.

AGREE BUT SO KUN JHONSON BARRY AND NASRI ....

Agree about Barry, not about the rest. I'm not saying the others played well but the two that stood out for me as being poor were Edin and Barry.

[PALUS]

I don't think Edin is crap. I have never said Edin is crap. I am aware that the problems we face at the moment in terms of scoring are a team issue and not an individual one.

BUT Edin did play crap against Everton.

AGREE BUT SO KUN JHONSON BARRY AND NASRI ....

Agree about Barry, not about the rest. I'm not saying the others played well but the two that stood out for me as being poor were Edin and Barry.

ok i stop this time for real i think that DZEKO is very good player not in 5 best strikers but in 25 30 sure and he just need delivery give him ball in box he will score and thats my opinion he can sucks like all players but compere him to Carol saying hes shite just isint true thats all , manchini must change way we play or at list to have a back up plan or we can kiss title goodbye

[Tokyo Blue]

He needs to do a few things that he isn't doing at the moment.

1. Don't hide when he is not having a good game. Even when not playing well, he still needs to work for the team otherwise we are effectively down to ten men.

2. Stop diving. He needs to hold off defenders when the ball is played up to him instead of throwing himself around like a water-polo player. We are already struggling with refs and Dzeko's antics do nothing to help. He is not as bad as Balotelli for this but his contribution is not going unnoticed.

3. Try to create something himself. The game at QPR is the obvious example. When he really gets it upon him to make something happen, he can do it. Take his man on. He won't beat him every time, but it gives the defender other things to think about.

4. Believe in himself.

5. Not expect everything on a plate, like some of his fans from his home country seem to do. It is as much his responsibility to be a part of the creative side as any other forward player. Making a chance for someone else is just as valuable as getting one for himself.

6. Do the simple things right. Work off the ball. Make runs. Find space. Chase down defenders. Control the ball when it is played to him and lay it off to a team-mate, then find space again.

7. Make it look like he is trying. City fans have always accepted and will always accept a bloke being shit as long as he is clearly trying his hardest. What is not acceptable is someone with the ability to do really special things who can't be arsed. We've already got one of those wazzocks sat with his thumb up his arse in South America. If Dzeko is not prepared to work his balls off to earn the damn good wage that the club pay him - and current evidence says he is not - then he can go the same way as that other knob. On the other hand, he can show willing and be a top striker in the best team in England.

8. Use his physical attributes. Grow some balls. Wind himself up. Get angry. Be more of a hard bastard. Put himself about. Break a few noses.

So.

Over to you, Edin lad. Are you a man or a mouse?

[TN Sub7]

Mancini cannot stop sides defending in numbers, wtf do you expect him to do? If they continue to defend in numbers then Dzeko is not the man for the job, that is plain. Spot on palus - we need someone who can dribble and score like Maradona instead.

Then bring Tevez back n bench Dzeko or let him go, because he'll never be able to do that (he can dribble couple of guys in some occasions but thats about it). Making him do stuff that he's bad at is only gonna fuck up his career, like it's doing right now. So maybe City and Manicini made a bad decision in signing a guy who can't play in their tactics. They should've thought about that before making a 32 mil transfer. If ya can't use him right, give him to somebody that can.

[Dendza]

He needs to do a few things that he isn't doing at the moment.

1. Don't hide when he is not having a good game. Even when not playing well, he still needs to work for the team otherwise we are effectively down to ten men.

2. Stop diving. He needs to hold off defenders when the ball is played up to him instead of throwing himself around like a water-polo player. We are already struggling with refs and Dzeko's antics do nothing to help. He is not as bad as Balotelli for this but his contribution is not going unnoticed.

3. Try to create something himself. The game at QPR is the obvious example. When he really gets it upon him to make something happen, he can do it. Take his man on. He won't beat him every time, but it gives the defender other things to think about.

4. Believe in himself.

5. Not expect everything on a plate, like some of his fans from his home country seem to do. It is as much his responsibility to be a part of the creative side as any other forward player. Making a chance for someone else is just as valuable as getting one for himself.

6. Do the simple things right. Work off the ball. Make runs. Find space. Chase down defenders. Control the ball when it is played to him and lay it off to a team-mate, then find space again.

7. Make it look like he is trying. City fans have always accepted and will always accept a bloke being shit as long as he is clearly trying his hardest. What is not acceptable is someone with the ability to do really special things who can't be arsed. We've already got one of those wazzocks sat with his thumb up his arse in South America. If Dzeko is not prepared to work his balls off to earn the damn good wage that the club pay him - and current evidence says he is not - then he can go the same way as that other knob. On the other hand, he can show willing and be a top striker in the best team in England.

8. Use his physical attributes. Grow some balls. Wind himself up. Get angry. Be more of a hard bastard. Put himself about. Break a few noses.

So.

Over to you, Edin lad. Are you a man or a mouse?

you should be the manager since you seem to know everything about dzeko.
don't speak too much mate

[Beefymcfc]

Strangely, I'm thinking he played quite well.