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Vieira speaks Out

Postby daveh1962 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:28 am

Hard-hitting Patrick Vieira has come out fighting for Manchester City – and says he fears referees are in danger of killing the Premier League’s golden goose. The World Cup winner has expressed the annoyance and frustration which has been coursing through the club as City have had the rough end of some inconsistent decisions by referees and the FA’s disciplinary department.

The Blues lost skipper Vincent Kompany for four games for a red card in the FA Cup derby, when far worse challenges – including Liverpool’s Glen Johnson’s two-footed challenge three days later – have gone unpunished. They lost Mario Balotelli for four matches after a video review of his kick to Scott Parker’s head, but reviews of Peter Crouch’s eye-poke on Jonas Olsson, and other dangerous incidents, have resulted in no punishment. They lost Gareth Barry to two innocuous yellow cards against Liverpool, when repeated fouls of a more serious nature by Charlie Adam were ignored. City have also not been awarded clear penalties and have fallen to dubious awards and an offside goal at Sunderland.

Now Vieira, the Blues’ Football Development Executive, has made a strong plea with the FA to sort out the inconsistency and confusion, or risk putting the game in jeopardy. He claimed: :: Kompany’s red card wasn’t even a foul :: Fans will be driven away by harsh refereeing :: The art of tackling is dying :: Players are confused by messages being sent out :: Video reviews undermine referee integrity Kompany himself made an eloquent defence of his own challenge on Nani in the FA Cup defeat by United, and Vieira agrees, saying: “My feeling was that when Vinny went for the tackle, he went for the ball. He went to win the ball. “For me, it wasn’t a foul. I was quite surprised that the referee gave a foul. I was more surprised that he came out with a red card. “Ten years ago the game was much more physical. Tackles like that were happening when I was playing at Arsenal – if that was a red card there would have been a sending off in every game I played for Arsenal. It was one of the harshest decisions I’ve ever seen." Vieira is afraid that attempts to outlaw tough tackles – not dangerous ones – could kill the goose which is laying all the golden eggs. “As a player you know now there is a camera on your every moment in the game,” he said. “I think football has changed and we make it really difficult for the referees. The beauty of the English game – especially in the Premier League – is the speed of the game, the passion from the players and the tackling. “England is the only country in the world where fans in the stadium applaud the striker who has scored but also the defender who wins the ball with a tackle. “You will not get that anywhere else in the world. Now it looks like you cannot tackle anymore. The refereeing body has to be really careful to not kill the passion of the game. If these changes to the rules mean that there is more of a European pace or style to the Premier League, then I think English fans could get bored and would not come to see the game. “This is something really special that the referee should not take away. “I do understand that there are some tackles that are very dangerous, but they have to make a difference between players who go in to win the ball and players who go in to hurt a fellow professional. That is a difference. They have to be careful to not cross the line.”

Manchester City set to unveil former Barca ace Ferran Soriano Manchester City future in safe hands England needs to be full of Hart The FA has said that referees have guidelines over tackles, telling them to take into account whether the force used is excessive, whether studs were up, and whether the player was in control. However, Vieira believes that such guidelines make it extremely tough for the officials. “It makes it really difficult for the referee,” said Vieira. “How can the referee make a judgement to see if the player is in control or not? “If a player gives a tackle to win the ball, he is in control 95 per cent of the time. I think the referee should just be a referee, he thinks what is right and what is wrong. “If you take the Vinny case, the referee made his decision too quickly. If you look at Nani’s reaction, you can tell that nothing was wrong in that tackle. “They are sending the wrong message to the referee and making the referee’s job more difficult than it is already by saying you have to check whether the player is in control or not. It’s crazy.”

Vieira also feels that there is still confusion over what is and what is not acceptable, not helped by the video review system, which allows recent clear red-card offences like those by Frank Lampard, Peter Crouch and Benoit Assou-Ekotto, to go unpunished, while others get retrospective bans. “Confusion is really dangerous, especially for the referee and the refereeing body,” he said. “They have to be very careful about how they deal with some of the situations. I believe that they’re making the referees’ job more and more difficult. “The referee has to be a referee, of course, he’s technical and what he studies as a referee, but as a person, as a human being as well. The referee has to make a decision that he thinks is right. “A good referee is someone who referees with his personality and with common sense, to make the decision that he thinks is right at the moment, not because he is afraid of the consequences – I think that’s not good.” Balotelli was given a four-match ban when referee Howard Webb said he had not seen the incident, but would have red-carded the player had he done so. Video evidence appears to show Webb looking at the incident, and even pointing at it. Vieira feels that inviting the referee to review the video is a poor way of dealing with things. “Doing that puts the referee in a difficult position,” he added. "Mario didn’t get sent-off, but when you look at the position of the referee, you say ‘How couldn’t he see it?’ “That puts the integrity of the referee in danger because people say ‘the referee has seen it’, and other people say ‘obviously he didn’t see it’.”


http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_city/s/1485043_manchester-city-man-patrick-vieira-sees-red-over-ref-justice?

An excellent piece and I have to say very eloquently put by Pat V who has stated many of the concerns that we as fans have
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby BalotelliFC » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:31 am

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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Yffi_88 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:39 am

Its about time someone stepped out from our club and said something.

I know there'll be the people who'll say we look like bitters/moaners... but i think we'll look even more bitter if some of these things cost us the league as well as the cups.

I just wonder how far up to the top of the tree things like this will make it. The FA seems to be quite a closed organisation, especially at the top, and i just hope someone up there is paying attention.

I completely agree with him when he says that people will start getting bored/frustrated with it.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Hazy2 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:02 am

Only at Liverpool did I think the Legend should be on the bench, you shake up a team why not shake up the bench, he has done this journey and we need calm now and he would add that.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Original Dub » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:31 am

Well hopefully some of the absolute retards on here who ridicule the rest of us over "paranoia" will shit the fuck up now.

Retards.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby sheblue » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:48 am

Original Dub wrote:Well hopefully some of the absolute retards on here who ridicule the rest of us over "paranoia" will shit the fuck up now.

Retards.



Retards! what retards?
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Original Dub » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:28 am

sheblue wrote:
Retards! what retards?


I just explained what retards... The ones who ridicule those of us who have pointed to the fact that we are getting arse ridden by officials as a whole over the last two or three months.

Those retards.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:41 am

Original Dub wrote:
sheblue wrote:
Retards! what retards?


I just explained what retards... The ones who ridicule those of us who have pointed to the fact that we are getting arse ridden by officials as a whole over the last two or three months.

Those retards.

We have been getting arse ridden for ages except now the Shiekh has give us plenty of oil so I'm not feeling it as much.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Original Dub » Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:48 am

Rag_hater wrote:We have been getting arse ridden for ages except now the Shiekh has give us plenty of oil so I'm not feeling it as much.


Lubrication helps, but its buggery no matter how you dress it up.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby DunneyMonster » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:59 am

I heard this reported on TalkShite this morning as "Vieira claims there is a conspiracy against City to stop them winning the league!" And they were banging on about the word "conspiracy"

That was before I had read the article.... typical journalist sensationalism.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Swales4ever » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:05 pm

Perhaps, just maybe, even Sergeant Carl's fine grey material shall start to understand it was a worth enrollment...

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


In Roger Ailes/Donnie Drumpf's words: "don't know it for a fact, but many people say so..."
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby glossopblue » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:37 pm

Well done Patrick. Saying what all us are thinking!
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Original Dub » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:12 pm

Mancio4ever wrote:Perhaps, just maybe, even Sergeant Carl's fine grey material shall start to understand it was a worth enrollment...


Palus has been taking the piss out of mancini mate. He called him a retard and said if it wasn't for dzeko, mancini would have been fired already.

Sort him out.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Swales4ever » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:23 am

Original Dub wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:Perhaps, just maybe, even Sergeant Carl's fine grey material shall start to understand it was a worth enrollment...


Palus has been taking the piss out of mancini mate. He called him a retard and said if it wasn't for dzeko, mancini would have been fired already.

Sort him out.


Dub, Mate, You miss the point.
I've been loyal enough to the board to introduce myself as mancioforever, so that my bias toward Bob's football excellence had been outed from day 1.
Still, I actually feel urged to wank myself over MCFC perpetual success and glory and - believe me - I don't give more than a shit whether it will come with Bob on the gaff or otherwise. I stand firm in the believe the he [through Mansour's grace and Khaldoon's managing competence] will lead the club but it is a very optional feeling.

My issue with him belong to the fact that he has plead to get me ignored and banned from this board. So You will excuse me if I somentimes take some sound occasion to have a laugh on him. after all the very essence of feeling Mancunian is HUMOR.
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1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


In Roger Ailes/Donnie Drumpf's words: "don't know it for a fact, but many people say so..."
there must be some truth, then!
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Original Dub » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:40 am

Mancio4ever wrote:
Dub, Mate, You miss the point.
I've been loyal enough to the board to introduce myself as mancioforever, so that my bias toward Bob's football excellence had been outed from day 1.
Still, I actually feel urged to wank myself over MCFC perpetual success and glory and - believe me - I don't give more than a shit whether it will come with Bob on the gaff or otherwise. I stand firm in the believe the he [through Mansour's grace and Khaldoon's managing competence] will lead the club but it is a very optional feeling.

My issue with him belong to the fact that he has plead to get me ignored and banned from this board. So You will excuse me if I somentimes take some sound occasion to have a laugh on him. after all the very essence of feeling Mancunian is HUMOR.
cheers


I just want to see you two argue mate.

You can make this happen.
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Re: Vieira speaks Out

Postby Swales4ever » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:48 am

On topic - I'm particularly proud of the way the Club has handed the issue of all the shits referees, with pundits' support, have trown at us, since the League away gave at Scouse1 late in november. When it came clear that without a serious wagons rounding, City would have trashed the season of all the traditional powers of the English game.
The Club absorbed with class and respect all these shits and - now, when the ride comes to the edge - has choosen the Football Legend (which nobody in the media can dare to abuse) to speak out and plea for fair threatment. Perfectly wise and timely.

I now only need the manager to reiterate this plea, once more only, in the press conference before the derby.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


In Roger Ailes/Donnie Drumpf's words: "don't know it for a fact, but many people say so..."
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