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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Socrates » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:15 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
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I worked at Westminster as a parliamentary researcher at the time mate, the MP who I worked for was on the committee for the bill. The matters and implications were discussed at great length and I stayed awake through most of it. The lawyers have it wrong, Wales has as much right to an independence vote as Scotland. Real difference is it has about a 1% chance of being successful, compared to about a 25% chance in Scotland!


Thought the reason of the difference now between the two colonies was that Scotland had voted for a parliament with a majority and the Welsh didn't. Wales could have had one if the vote had been big enough but they ended up with a middle ground. Few years ago though and haven't read up on it since.


No, the proposals were different partly because of the historical differences John touches on above but mostly because there was doubt that a vote could be won on an all out Welsh parliament as there was so much resistance to the idea amongst the English living in Monmouth and Glamorgan. As it was the Welsh referendum was won by a very narrow margin so I guess they got the balance right as to what the communities wanted at the time.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:33 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:I wouldn't go head to head John mate..the bastard is nearly always right..in topics like this one.


let it ride a bit...neither of them has fuckall to do it seems, and i need some pretendertainment, which is something i just invented, the definition of which is something i think might entertain me, until i realize i'm just fooling myself and it's the most godawful boring shit imaginable and that i need to stop pretending i'm interested and get on with my life.

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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Blue Since 76 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:46 pm

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No, the proposals were different partly because of the historical differences John touches on above but mostly because there was doubt that a vote could be won on an all out Welsh parliament as there was so much resistance to the idea amongst the English living in Monmouth and Glamorgan. As it was the Welsh referendum was won by a very narrow margin so I guess they got the balance right as to what the communities wanted at the time.


Okay, memory was sort of right but the welsh didn't get chance to vote as we knew hey didn't want it anyway.

As for Scotland, why is this still being debated? The scots don't want to be with us and we don't want them (on the whole). It's like a bad marriage. Are we just staying together for the Welsh?

Back to football, the Glasgow teams need to push the north Atlantic league again. Them plus a few from Holland, portugal etc could have a much better league where they might actually make some money.

Was talking to a Scot a few weeks ago who was very bitter about Sky - if he wants to watch Scottish football, he has to pay for Sky, but they then give his money to the premier league and give the Scottish league the loose change. I thanked him for helping us pay Herman to play golf. He muttered something, which I think was unpleasant.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Socrates » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:52 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
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No, the proposals were different partly because of the historical differences John touches on above but mostly because there was doubt that a vote could be won on an all out Welsh parliament as there was so much resistance to the idea amongst the English living in Monmouth and Glamorgan. As it was the Welsh referendum was won by a very narrow margin so I guess they got the balance right as to what the communities wanted at the time.


Okay, memory was sort of right but the welsh didn't get chance to vote as we knew hey didn't want it anyway.

As for Scotland, why is this still being debated? The scots don't want to be with us and we don't want them (on the whole). It's like a bad marriage. Are we just staying together for the Welsh?

Back to football, the Glasgow teams need to push the north Atlantic league again. Them plus a few from Holland, portugal etc could have a much better league where they might actually make some money.

Was talking to a Scot a few weeks ago who was very bitter about Sky - if he wants to watch Scottish football, he has to pay for Sky, but they then give his money to the premier league and give the Scottish league the loose change. I thanked him for helping us pay Herman to play golf. He muttered something, which I think was unpleasant.


Polls aren't good for the YES side on Scots independence mate. Seriously doubt they can win it. Selfishly that pleases me as I don't want to live in a country that has an inbuilt majority for the Tory party. The north has far more in common with Scotland than with the South East of England, maybe we should join with them to break away?

The north atlantic league is a complete no hoper, won't be allowed to happen.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby john@staustell » Tue Feb 14, 2012 8:38 am

Blue Since 76 wrote:
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No, the proposals were different partly because of the historical differences John touches on above but mostly because there was doubt that a vote could be won on an all out Welsh parliament as there was so much resistance to the idea amongst the English living in Monmouth and Glamorgan. As it was the Welsh referendum was won by a very narrow margin so I guess they got the balance right as to what the communities wanted at the time.


Okay, memory was sort of right but the welsh didn't get chance to vote as we knew hey didn't want it anyway.

As for Scotland, why is this still being debated? The scots don't want to be with us and we don't want them (on the whole). It's like a bad marriage. Are we just staying together for the Welsh?

Back to football, the Glasgow teams need to push the north Atlantic league again. Them plus a few from Holland, portugal etc could have a much better league where they might actually make some money.

Was talking to a Scot a few weeks ago who was very bitter about Sky - if he wants to watch Scottish football, he has to pay for Sky, but they then give his money to the premier league and give the Scottish league the loose change. I thanked him for helping us pay Herman to play golf. He muttered something, which I think was unpleasant.


I'm quite sure SKY gives Scottish football the revenues appropriate to what it brings into SKY. IE fuck all.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Im_Spartacus » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:53 am

Back to football eh?

It all seems very bizarre, but ultimately it looks like Sir David Murray has shat all over the club with his tax avoidance schemes in the last 10/15 years, and that as far back as when the club was to be sold, it was known that administration was all but a certainty.

What a cunt - yet still revered by Rangers fans?
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Dronny » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:02 am

LOL, says a lot about what we think about Rangers and administration that most of the thread is spent debating Welsh/Scottish devolution!
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby guv111 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:55 pm

Ooh, ten whole points. What a punishment. Rangers will be shattered by this draconian punishment for decades.

Utter joke.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Goaters 103 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:52 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:Back to football eh?

It all seems very bizarre, but ultimately it looks like Sir David Murray has shat all over the club with his tax avoidance schemes in the last 10/15 years, and that as far back as when the club was to be sold, it was known that administration was all but a certainty.

What a cunt - yet still revered by Rangers fans?


Murray isnt revered these days John, certainly not by the old guard from the Bill Struth or Copeland Rd stands. Quite a few saw this coming 3 or 4 years back. The guys I meet up with up there are in their 50's, proper old guard Gers fans who have been painting a very grey picture for some time. Quite how Rangers have won the title the past couple of years is beyond me - mainly due to Walter Smith pulling rabbits from hats using players like David Weir, and finding low price gems like Papac, Edu and Jelavic.

Celtic have lived within their means a lot more than Rangers over the past decade and they will now reap the benefit by having little or no challenge until about 2015. Quite what that means for The SPL as a whole I dont know, but much as they will enjoy their gloating now which they have earned the right to do, Tic fans and their attendances will start dropping too over the next 12 months when they realise there is literally no challenger and every game is all but a walkover.

The SPL could have done with a stronger Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs or Dundee Utd over the past 20 odd years but it hasnt happened, and with Rangers dropping right back to the pack the league now consists of Celtic, then a big gap to the aforementioned pack and then the likes of Caley Thistle, FirmDumpling et al
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby ENIAM NAM » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:07 pm

guv111 wrote:Ooh, ten whole points. What a punishment. Rangers will be shattered by this draconian punishment for decades.

Utter joke.

Still finish second (9 points clear) in a European spot. Probably hasn't affected their season one jot!
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby guv111 » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:14 pm

ENIAM NAM wrote:
guv111 wrote:Ooh, ten whole points. What a punishment. Rangers will be shattered by this draconian punishment for decades.

Utter joke.

Still finish second (9 points clear) in a European spot. Probably hasn't affected their season one jot!


Exactly. What was the point? Except maybe to protect Scottish clubs (or at least a couple) from folding, whether they have vaguely decent business models or not. It seems to be almost an endorsement of vast overspending.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Blue in the face » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:18 pm

ENIAM NAM wrote:
guv111 wrote:Ooh, ten whole points. What a punishment. Rangers will be shattered by this draconian punishment for decades.

Utter joke.

Still finish second (9 points clear) in a European spot. Probably hasn't affected their season one jot!


There'll be no European football until they get out of administration.

Apparently the date needed to be out of administration for next year isn't too far away, although I'm not 100% sure about that because I heard it on talkshite.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Goaters 103 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:57 am

Blue in the face wrote:
ENIAM NAM wrote:
guv111 wrote:Ooh, ten whole points. What a punishment. Rangers will be shattered by this draconian punishment for decades.

Utter joke.

Still finish second (9 points clear) in a European spot. Probably hasn't affected their season one jot!


There'll be no European football until they get out of administration.

Apparently the date needed to be out of administration for next year isn't too far away, although I'm not 100% sure about that because I heard it on talkshite.


Bascially they have to have a deal in place with the creditors by 31st March, to be eligible for European football next season.

In reality "European Football" for Rangers would be a first Qualifying rnd Champs Lge tie in July that they would lose, then a Europa Lge qualifying tie that they would also lose in August, and that would be it, just as it was this season. Thats hardly likely to reap any major financial windfall.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Mase » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:56 am

Bolton fan in work yesterday confirmed by hatred towards anything Bolton by blaming City for Rangers going in to administration.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby mr_nool » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:57 am

Mase wrote:Bolton fan in work yesterday confirmed by hatred towards anything Bolton by blaming City for Rangers going in to administration.


How the hell did he reach that conclusion?
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Mase » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:03 am

mr_nool wrote:
Mase wrote:Bolton fan in work yesterday confirmed by hatred towards anything Bolton by blaming City for Rangers going in to administration.


How the hell did he reach that conclusion?


He's from Bolton so you have to realise that his education isn't going to be at normal standard.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Goaters 103 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:05 am

Mase wrote:
mr_nool wrote:
Mase wrote:Bolton fan in work yesterday confirmed by hatred towards anything Bolton by blaming City for Rangers going in to administration.


How the hell did he reach that conclusion?


He's from Bolton so you have to realise that his education isn't going to be at normal standard.


As we are at fault, I expect Balotelli will get another 3 game ban for the offence.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Mase » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:10 am

His argument was that we are helping to build up a stupid level of debt among British clubs. I really couldn't be bothered wasting my breath on him by explaining it's personal money being brought in to the PremierLeague and actually giving clubs like Rovers and Everton £41 Million together for Lescott and RSC we're helping those clubs out of the shit they'd be in without us.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Goaters 103 » Wed Feb 15, 2012 11:14 am

Mase wrote:His argument was that we are helping to build up a stupid level of debt among British clubs. I really couldn't be bothered wasting my breath on him by explaining it's personal money being brought in to the PremierLeague and actually giving clubs like Rovers and Everton £41 Million together for Lescott and RSC we're helping those clubs out of the shit they'd be in without us.


Point out to DP Gumby that City weren't on the stratosphere when Rangers were pissing away £12m on TA Flo in 2001, or £6.5m on the likes of Michael Ball.
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Re: Rangers have gone into administration!!!

Postby Mase » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:41 pm

Goaters 103 wrote:
Mase wrote:His argument was that we are helping to build up a stupid level of debt among British clubs. I really couldn't be bothered wasting my breath on him by explaining it's personal money being brought in to the PremierLeague and actually giving clubs like Rovers and Everton £41 Million together for Lescott and RSC we're helping those clubs out of the shit they'd be in without us.


Point out to DP Gumby that City weren't on the stratosphere when Rangers were pissing away £12m on TA Flo in 2001, or £6.5m on the likes of Michael Ball.


No point wasting my bad breath on him though mate. He's the one who was calling Elano all sorts one week and then as soon as he became available his tune changed and he was bigging Elano up "Why you getting rid of a quality player, City are stupid!" etc...
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