Lescott

[freshie]

This, Lescott does the defensive side well, it's not his duty to spray pinpoint, 40 yard passes or set up attacks. Sure it would be a nice bonus if he did but it's not a necessity as some would suggest.

I don't expect him to spray 40 yard passes to a teammate - that's what the midfielders are there for. I just want him to stop shitting himself every time he is on the ball and instead to pass it to one of the full backs or midfielders instead of back to kompany or hart as he does far too often thus putting more pressure on us

This is just an unfair, untrue prception. He passes to tne fullbacks, they give it back, he passes to Vinny, he gives it back, he passes to,Barry, he gives it back, he passes to De,Jong, he gives it,back. If Lescott is so fucking shit compared to Vinny, why doesn't Vinny pass it elsewhere ? Why if he's so much better, does he keep giving Lescott,the ball & why do people such as yourself,think it's ok ?

I'm sorry if you think this is unfair but this is how I see it. Lescott is awkard with the ball at his feet whereas Vinny is a lot more composed. Every time Lescott receives the ball from Hart or Vinny I shit myself. No other player does this to me when in possession of the football. His favourite pass is a back pass and, on the odd occasion that he is feeling adventurous, a square ball, more often than not to a player who is being tightly marked, thus putting the recipent under immediate pressure. He seems to have improved slightly in the last few weeks but not enough for a side who are instructed to play the ball out from the back.

Good defender, not so good a footballer

[Douglas Higginbottom]

This, Lescott does the defensive side well, it's not his duty to spray pinpoint, 40 yard passes or set up attacks. Sure it would be a nice bonus if he did but it's not a necessity as some would suggest.

I don't expect him to spray 40 yard passes to a teammate - that's what the midfielders are there for. I just want him to stop shitting himself every time he is on the ball and instead to pass it to one of the full backs or midfielders instead of back to kompany or hart as he does far too often thus putting more pressure on us

This is just an unfair, untrue prception. He passes to tne fullbacks, they give it back, he passes to Vinny, he gives it back, he passes to,Barry, he gives it back, he passes to De,Jong, he gives it,back. If Lescott is so fucking shit compared to Vinny, why doesn't Vinny pass it elsewhere ? Why if he's so much better, does he keep giving Lescott,the ball & why do people such as yourself,think it's ok ?

I'm sorry if you think this is unfair but this is how I see it. Lescott is awkard with the ball at his feet whereas Vinny is a lot more composed. Every time Lescott receives the ball from Hart or Vinny I shit myself. No other player does this to me when in possession of the football. His favourite pass is a back pass and, on the odd occasion that he is feeling adventurous, a square ball, more often than not to a player who is being tightly marked, thus putting the recipent under immediate pressure. He seems to have improved slightly in the last few weeks but not enough for a side who are instructed to play the ball out from the back.

Good defender, not so good a footballer

Hard to debate with anyone so clear in his dislike of a player.

[Chinners]

For me Lescott has been playing like the player we signed from Everton for the past year now. With other higher profile players being signed it has got the over the top price tag off his back and he is back to being a very competent, not outstanding, centre back who is still possibly the best header of a ball for us at the back and at set pieces.

[Beefymcfc]

Best defence in the league, don't change a winning team.

[getdressedmctavish]

Ted, you're a hard man, lol.Do Rag fans worry that Vidic is shit on the ball, do they feck.As for passing it around at the back, have Lescott's detractors watched a team called Barcelona? Humourously enough, watching him in the kick in pre Villa I remarked at Lescott's high kicks and said I fancied him for a goal!

[Tesl]

This, Lescott does the defensive side well, it's not his duty to spray pinpoint, 40 yard passes or set up attacks. Sure it would be a nice bonus if he did but it's not a necessity as some would suggest.

I don't expect him to spray 40 yard passes to a teammate - that's what the midfielders are there for. I just want him to stop shitting himself every time he is on the ball and instead to pass it to one of the full backs or midfielders instead of back to kompany or hart as he does far too often thus putting more pressure on us

This is just an unfair, untrue prception. He passes to tne fullbacks, they give it back, he passes to Vinny, he gives it back, he passes to,Barry, he gives it back, he passes to De,Jong, he gives it,back. If Lescott is so fucking shit compared to Vinny, why doesn't Vinny pass it elsewhere ? Why if he's so much better, does he keep giving Lescott,the ball & why do people such as yourself,think it's ok ?

I'm sorry if you think this is unfair but this is how I see it. Lescott is awkard with the ball at his feet whereas Vinny is a lot more composed. Every time Lescott receives the ball from Hart or Vinny I shit myself. No other player does this to me when in possession of the football. His favourite pass is a back pass and, on the odd occasion that he is feeling adventurous, a square ball, more often than not to a player who is being tightly marked, thus putting the recipent under immediate pressure. He seems to have improved slightly in the last few weeks but not enough for a side who are instructed to play the ball out from the back.

Good defender, not so good a footballer

You may "shit yourself" but I don't remember Lescott giving the ball away in dangerous areas by a bad pass too many times. To me its just a stupid argument because its not relevant. Being unhappy with Lescott not making enough 40 yard defense splitting passes makes as much sense as being unhappy with Hart not chipping in with a few more goals this year.

[kinkylola]

i don't think too many people are complaining that lescott doesn't make 40 yard defense splitting passes.

I like lescott, I rate him and I rate the partnership of him and vinnie. What I do not rate is his ball skills, and the fact that he looks like he is panicking every time he receives the ball with an opposing player anywhere near him. This has resulted in passes to wingers/mids who are under pressure, which in and of itself isn't a big issue if you have accurate passing, which lescott does not have.

I hope that he is working on these areas of his game, as it will make him a better defender/more complete player overall, and that is what we need. If he wants to be the starting CB for a team with aspirations to conquer the world, than my opinion is that he needs to improve those 2 areas.

this is my opinion from watching ever city game this season and last, albeit from many miles away in a foreign country. It is not meant as criticism to crucify lescott, as I said, I rate him as a defender and I think he is having a very good season, but those are the areas that stick out, and I believe they are fairly obvious to most who are watching.

Also, it's a bit unrealistic to compare lescott to vidic ... and I think there is a reason that managers, pundits, journalists and most everyone rates vinnie over lescott. It's not because vinnie plays 40 yard defense splitting passes, he doesn't, but he is more assured on the ball, he is faster, and he has quicker feet. Lescott may never be 'fast', though I don't think he is john terry slow ... but he can work on the other two, and that's all i'm looking for really. I think it's pretty straightforward.

[freshie]

Hard to debate with anyone so clear in his dislike of a player.

And vice versa

[Sister of fu]

Part of the best defence in the premier league for the past 18 months.people seem to forget that Vinny was a CM! I like JL, does a job for me and has started to pop a few goals in. Can someone show me the stats thet show how many goals we have let in from a JL fuck up ala a dodgy pass??

[Dronny]

Just to try to put some perspective on this, if Bobby didn't rate JL's skills then as sure as eggs are eggs there would be clear communication to bypass him altogether when we knock it around.

There is a reason why all that short passing occurs if I'm not mistaken, on the contrary when either JL or Vinnie decide to hoof it foward hitting those aimless 40 yard balls is when we come over all spastic in our play

[london blue 2]

I think the problem here is Lescott doesnt look very elegant on the ball

Basically there is no problem.

[Renato_CTID]

Joleon is for me the player who involved much more than any other with Bobby Manc!

[stefano]

Joleon is for me the player who involved much more than any other with Bobby Manc!

a me sembra che lescott sia un mediocre , lo era prima dell'arrivo di mancini , lo è con mancini e lo sarebbe in qualsiasi altra squadra di vertice. che poi sia un bravo ragazzo e tutti gli vogliano bene non significa che allo stesso tempo non sia anche il principale punto di debolezza della squadra ed il principale motivo per cui la squadra ha problemi in trasferta dove gli avversari pressano piu alto e quindi mettono in crisi l'impostazione della manovra fin dall'origine.
un giocatore cosi scarso sulla palla facilita il pressing avversario perche è un uomo in meno da pressare , pressano gli altri finche la palla arriva a lescott e a quel punto è quasi sempre una palla persa , buttata avanti piu o meno a casaccio e quindi restituita quasi sempre agli avversari.

[Mase]

Joleon is for me the player who involved much more than any other with Bobby Manc!

a me sembra che lescott sia un mediocre , lo era prima dell'arrivo di mancini , lo è con mancini e lo sarebbe in qualsiasi altra squadra di vertice. che poi sia un bravo ragazzo e tutti gli vogliano bene non significa che allo stesso tempo non sia anche il principale punto di debolezza della squadra ed il principale motivo per cui la squadra ha problemi in trasferta dove gli avversari pressano piu alto e quindi mettono in crisi l'impostazione della manovra fin dall'origine.
un giocatore cosi scarso sulla palla facilita il pressing avversario perche è un uomo in meno da pressare , pressano gli altri finche la palla arriva a lescott e a quel punto è quasi sempre una palla persa , buttata avanti piu o meno a casaccio e quindi restituita quasi sempre agli avversari.

I totally disagree.

[Ted Hughes]

Joleon is for me the player who involved much more than any other with Bobby Manc!

a me sembra che lescott sia un mediocre , lo era prima dell'arrivo di mancini , lo è con mancini e lo sarebbe in qualsiasi altra squadra di vertice. che poi sia un bravo ragazzo e tutti gli vogliano bene non significa che allo stesso tempo non sia anche il principale punto di debolezza della squadra ed il principale motivo per cui la squadra ha problemi in trasferta dove gli avversari pressano piu alto e quindi mettono in crisi l'impostazione della manovra fin dall'origine.
un giocatore cosi scarso sulla palla facilita il pressing avversario perche è un uomo in meno da pressare , pressano gli altri finche la palla arriva a lescott e a quel punto è quasi sempre una palla persa , buttata avanti piu o meno a casaccio e quindi restituita quasi sempre agli avversari.

I totally disagree.

You're correct, it's a load of bollocks. Lescott doesn't give the ball away any more than any other City defender.

[Ted Hughes]

Stats from MCFCO.S.

Vinny v Villa:

Tackles 0
Interceptions 0
Clearences 3
Passes completed 50/68

Lescott v Villa

Tackles 0
Interceptions 4
Clearences 5
Passes Completed 65/75
Goals 1

So Vinny gave the ball away 8 more times than Lescott in 90 mins & completed 15 less passes.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

This concern over Lescott's ball skills, or apparent lack of them, could be rendered academic with a player like Pizarro in the side, coming deep to receive the ball and start creative movements from a position at the base of the midfield.

All that Vinnie and Lescott would then have to do is to play the ball a few yards forward to him and just be available to receive a return, if this proved at all necessary.

The ideal in a centre back, for me, would be someone like the 1970s Brazilian defender Luis Pereira i.e hard as nails but skilful with it. If we can't have both attributes in one player, then it's Lescott for me, rather than someone like David Luiz who can't tackle to save his life.

[Ted Hughes]

This concern over Lescott's ball skills, or apparent lack of them, could be rendered academic with a player like Pizarro in the side, coming deep to receive the ball and start creative movements from a position at the base of the midfield.

All that Vinnie and Lescott would then have to do is to play the ball a few yards forward to him and just be available to receive a return, if this proved at all necessary.

The ideal in a centre back, for me, would be someone like the 1970s Brazilian defender Luis Pereira i.e hard as nails but skilful with it. If we can't have both attributes in one player, then it's Lescott for me, rather than someone like David Luiz who can't tackle to save his life.

That's how we're supposed to be playing imo. Mancini wants defenders who can play but he doesn't want Vinny & Lescott to maraud through the middle spraying passes around all the time, he wants the midfield to do it; that's why he values Yaya so highly, signed Pizzaro & wanted DeRossi.

Silva, Nasri, AJ should be dropping in there to help out too & Barry, DeJong, Milner should be doing it a lot better. Tbf, they all did that early v Villa but then bottled it when Villa scored.

Imo people are missing this point & putting the blame in the wrong area. It's a nice bonus if the CB's can spray the ball around but it is a bonus. The key to how City want to play is the midfield giving options there & it's something we have been getting wrong, even when Yaya plays sometimes.

[Renato_CTID]

Joleon is for me the player who involved much more than any other with Bobby Manc!

a me sembra che lescott sia un mediocre , lo era prima dell'arrivo di mancini , lo è con mancini e lo sarebbe in qualsiasi altra squadra di vertice. che poi sia un bravo ragazzo e tutti gli vogliano bene non significa che allo stesso tempo non sia anche il principale punto di debolezza della squadra ed il principale motivo per cui la squadra ha problemi in trasferta dove gli avversari pressano piu alto e quindi mettono in crisi l'impostazione della manovra fin dall'origine.
un giocatore cosi scarso sulla palla facilita il pressing avversario perche è un uomo in meno da pressare , pressano gli altri finche la palla arriva a lescott e a quel punto è quasi sempre una palla persa , buttata avanti piu o meno a casaccio e quindi restituita quasi sempre agli avversari.

Totally disagree with you, Stefano, and please try to write in English nex time or you'll be probably be banned from this forum! All Italian schools teach English, where did you stay during the lessons?

[london blue 2]

Stats from MCFCO.S.

Vinny v Villa:

Tackles 0
Interceptions 0
Clearences 3
Passes completed 50/68

Lescott v Villa

Tackles 0
Interceptions 4
Clearences 5
Passes Completed 65/75
Goals 1

So Vinny gave the ball away 8 more times than Lescott in 90 mins & completed 15 less passes.

RT I think the season stats would show a similar pattern