Dzeko

[aaron bond]

He was just started to get in shape, again, and in the next three games he played like... 20 mins or so?

Its obvious that Mancini is forcing Balotelli and Aguero over Dzeko, even though its obvious that the first two rarely prove it to be the smarter choice. Its just that "they put in a shift, they try hard, bust their ass off.." that gives them the edge over Dzeko, often, because Dzeko leaves impression of not trying hard even though thats not true. He is most of the time at the right place and on the right time, but no balls are coming in.

In most of the matches during this season Man.City had created 1 or NONE good cross per match - which is hard to believe, and which is foolish certainly, because you have a giant in the box who is capable and eager to jump on those crosses. Which are unexistant.

And thats the fact. And even in that kind of situation, the lad has scored, I would say, plenty of goals - specially considering the situation he is in, the type of play, prefferences of his teammates (Silva will ALWAYS pass to Aguero first!).

Players like Balotelli will win you games.
Players like Dzeko will win you championships. Mancini has a winner at the bench, but obviously doesnt realise it.

If Dzeko doesnt play consistently untill the end of the season, Man. City will not win the league.
Mark my words.

The kid deserves to play, and if he isnt, I hope he will leave Man.City and be someone else's golden part of history.

Dzeko hasn't played consistently all season and we're top of the league. What is different in the last 13 games vs. the first 25 games where we need Dzeko to play every game now?

[Original Dub]

Every team in the world would prefer aguero to dzeko if it were a straight choice, so you bosnian fans shouldn't be so startled that he is our preferred choice if we go with one up front.

I like dzeko, I think he's an amazing finisher and at times he can create but it takes him to be at the very top of his game to do this. I like that he is an option from the bench or in a front two and I realise he will always get more stick than any of our attackers because he looks clumsy, even if most of the time, the outcome is the same.

But don't for one second try to tell the rest of us that we will be sorry if he leaves and "we will see" when he joins another club. We are top of the league and shifting back nicely into gear for the run in, thanks very much.

How about dzeko being sorry if he decides to leave the most progressive club in world football?

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Every team in the world would prefer aguero to dzeko if it were a straight choice, so you bosnian fans shouldn't be so startled that he is our preferred choice if we go with one up front.

I like dzeko, I think he's an amazing finisher and at times he can create but it takes him to be at the very top of his game to do this. I like that he is an option from the bench or in a front two and I realise he will always get more stick than any of our attackers because he looks clumsy, even if most of the time, the outcome is the same.

But don't for one second try to tell the rest of us that we will be sorry if he leaves and "we will see" when he joins another club. We are top of the league and shifting back nicely into gear for the run in, thanks very much.

How about dzeko being sorry if he decides to leave the most progressive club in world football?

I'd say spot on but this thread is nothing but pure comedy at this point.

They've no clue and everyone else are just taking the bait.

[Blue Since 76]

Dzeko is shit and only plays for City because he has incriminating photos of Mancini and Khaldoon. If he played for anyone else, he'd have scored about two goals by now. It's only that we have players like Silva and Aguero who can give him the goals on a plate that even a useless donkey like him couldn't miss that he's got more than a few goals.





There, that should end all the discussions on the matter, as I know everyone will be in full agreement.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

Same as ever. Dzeko + space = goals. Dzeko + no space = nothing.

An insightful synopsis, if ever there was was one, allied to an excellent economy of words.

However, don't get me wrong, I think that Dzeko is a fine player and his record speaks for itself but, without wishing to denigrate him in any way, I think he would fit better into the style of play used by the Scum, rather than ourselves. With the way they play balls in from wide positions, he would find the space he needs in the box and convert a good many of those chances.

In that scenario, he'd make Berbaflop look like an abject novice.

With our style of play, Dzeko needs to be a creative force as well as a finishing one and this, if anything, is his Achilles heel and an aspect of his game he doesn't consistently provide. To get the best out of Dzeko, I feel we'd need to play with two out and out wingers, but this might impact upon our slower passing game which I love and I wouldn't want to see that style disrupted.

From my own perspective, I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in the summer, sad though that would be.

[PoC]

Dzecko for captain, vinnie kompany is shit

[Blue Since 76]

An insightful synopsis, if ever there was was one, allied to an excellent economy of words.

However, don't get me wrong, I think that Dzeko is a fine player and his record speaks for itself but, without wishing to denigrate him in any way, I think he would fit better into the style of play used by the Scum, rather than ourselves. With the way they play balls in from wide positions, he would find the space he needs in the box and convert a good many of those chances.

In that scenario, he'd make Berbaflop look like an abject novice.

With our style of play, Dzeko needs to be a creative force as well as a finishing one and this, if anything, is his Achilles heel and an aspect of his game he doesn't consistently provide. To get the best out of Dzeko, I feel we'd need to play with two out and out wingers, but this might impact upon our slower passing game which I love and I wouldn't want to see that style disrupted.

From my own perspective, I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in the summer, sad though that would be.

I'd get your tin hat on - I suggested that our style of play doesn't suit him and was accused of stupidity. Dzeko is some sort of untouchable you know.

However, I agree with you. If he played for the rags or spurs he'd score a lot more. As would Morrison from Norwich, but I wouldn't suggest we sign him either.

Dzeko's style of play doesn't suit our usual style of play. I don't think he can change and I hope we don't change, so that creates a problem. I still think he can be a very effective sub if we need to change a game and become more direct, but to do that, he needs to be able to come on as required and be effective. He's therefore not necessarily going to get a run of games, so if he needs that for form and confidence, then I just don't see how he'll ever fit in.

[Ted Hughes]

An insightful synopsis, if ever there was was one, allied to an excellent economy of words.

However, don't get me wrong, I think that Dzeko is a fine player and his record speaks for itself but, without wishing to denigrate him in any way, I think he would fit better into the style of play used by the Scum, rather than ourselves. With the way they play balls in from wide positions, he would find the space he needs in the box and convert a good many of those chances.

In that scenario, he'd make Berbaflop look like an abject novice.

With our style of play, Dzeko needs to be a creative force as well as a finishing one and this, if anything, is his Achilles heel and an aspect of his game he doesn't consistently provide. To get the best out of Dzeko, I feel we'd need to play with two out and out wingers, but this might impact upon our slower passing game which I love and I wouldn't want to see that style disrupted.

From my own perspective, I wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in the summer, sad though that would be.

I'd get your tin hat on - I suggested that our style of play doesn't suit him and was accused of stupidity. Dzeko is some sort of untouchable you know.

However, I agree with you. If he played for the rags or spurs he'd score a lot more. As would Morrison from Norwich, but I wouldn't suggest we sign him either.

Dzeko's style of play doesn't suit our usual style of play. I don't think he can change and I hope we don't change, so that creates a problem. I still think he can be a very effective sub if we need to change a game and become more direct, but to do that, he needs to be able to come on as required and be effective. He's therefore not necessarily going to get a run of games, so if he needs that for form and confidence, then I just don't see how he'll ever fit in.

If we were more direct, he would have to win more ball against big strong PL centre backs which means he has to fight harder; exactly what most of us are asking him to do.

Dzeko's future is in his own hands. If he tries hard, he will succeed; there is nothing Dzeko can't do in the Premier League but he has to give 100% & fight for the ball, otherwise he doesn't offer us anything different to the other players. If he doesn't, Bob will sell him & it will be his own fault.

Centre backs's in Germany are not, on the whole, as difficult to play against as CB's in the Premier League. If he wants to play at the top, he has to earn the right.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

To those saying that they could see Dzeko moving on this summer - do you really think Mancini is going to give up on him after just 18 months? Do you really think the board/club would be happy with Mancini giving up on a £27million pound investment after 18 months?

To those saying that we need to adapt to suit his style - in my opinion you couldn't be more wrong. It us up to Dzeko to adapt to the team's style, great strikers do this, one trick ponies don't. ( sorry for Rag reference but Andy Cole is a case in point )

To those saying that Dzeko can't adapt - I say nonsense, he started out as a central midfielder and became a striker, he has the ability to adapt if he works hard enough to do it.

To those saying he needs space - just one example but did he need space to launch that counter against Arsenal in the CC which led to the winner? One of the best counter attacking goals you're ever likely to see thanks in no small part to Dzeko's brilliance.

He has his faults, there are areas of his game that he needs to improve on, of that there is no doubt but let's support him eh? He's one of ours. He is still 2 or 3 years of his peak and with the right attitude from him and enough support around him I believe he could go on to be one of the best marksmen the PL has ever seen.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Every team in the world would prefer aguero to dzeko if it were a straight choice, so you bosnian fans shouldn't be so startled that he is our preferred choice if we go with one up front.

I like dzeko, I think he's an amazing finisher and at times he can create but it takes him to be at the very top of his game to do this. I like that he is an option from the bench or in a front two and I realise he will always get more stick than any of our attackers because he looks clumsy, even if most of the time, the outcome is the same.

But don't for one second try to tell the rest of us that we will be sorry if he leaves and "we will see" when he joins another club. We are top of the league and shifting back nicely into gear for the run in, thanks very much.

How about dzeko being sorry if he decides to leave the most progressive club in world football?

Really? Not getting at him and he's really good at finding space in the box and getting scrappy goals but he's not particularly excellent at one on ones, it's definitely an area where he can improve on.

[Original Dub]

Really? Not getting at him and he's really good at finding space in the box and getting scrappy goals but he's not particularly excellent at one on ones, it's definitely an area where he can improve on.

Not neccessarily one on ones, but if the ball falls to him in the box he generally puts it away. He also has the aguero instinct for being in the right place for a second pop at goal should a keeper or defender parry.

[john@staustell]

Well on course for 20 goals total this season. How many of our strikers have done that in 30 years whilst we are in the top flight? And whilst playing 50% of the time.

He can be frustrating but sometimes I think we have become a bit spoiled.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

[quote="Foreverinbluedreams"]To those saying that they could see Dzeko moving on this summer - do you really think Mancini is going to give up on him after just 18 months? Do you really think the board/club would be happy with Mancini giving up on a £27million pound investment after 18 months?

To those saying that we need to adapt to suit his style - in my opinion you couldn't be more wrong. It us up to Dzeko to adapt to the team's style, great strikers do this, one trick ponies don't. ( sorry for Rag reference but Andy Cole is a case in point )

To those saying that Dzeko can't adapt - I say nonsense, he started out as a central midfielder and became a striker, he has the ability to adapt if he works hard enough to do it.

To those saying he needs space - just one example but did he need space to launch that counter against Arsenal in the CC which led to the winner? One of the best counter attacking goals you're ever likely to see thanks in no small part to Dzeko's brilliance.

He has his faults, there are areas of his game that he needs to improve on, of that there is no doubt but let's support him eh? He's one of ours. He is still 2 or 3 years of his peak and with the right attitude from him and enough support around him I believe he could go on to be one of the best marksmen the PL has ever seen.[/quote]

I don't think it's the world's greatest secret that Bobby Manc likes both Lavezzi and Cavani and would want to sign them. It's not the world's greatest secret either that, because of FFP considerations, our days of unlimited spending are now over. On that basis, any incoming transfers will have to be financed from sales so putting two and two together, Dzeko and Tevez transferred out would provide funds for the purchase of the two Napoli players.

I'm not advocating, necessarily, that we should do this, but it COULD be the fundamental of Bobby Manc's thinking and, on that reasoning, I wouldn't be surprised to see Dzeko go, sad though that would be as I think he's a fine player in the right setting.

[NorthernHope]

He was just started to get in shape, again, and in the next three games he played like... 20 mins or so?

Its obvious that Mancini is forcing Balotelli and Aguero over Dzeko, even though its obvious that the first two rarely prove it to be the smarter choice. Its just that "they put in a shift, they try hard, bust their ass off.." that gives them the edge over Dzeko, often, because Dzeko leaves impression of not trying hard even though thats not true. He is most of the time at the right place and on the right time, but no balls are coming in.

In most of the matches during this season Man.City had created 1 or NONE good cross per match - which is hard to believe, and which is foolish certainly, because you have a giant in the box who is capable and eager to jump on those crosses. Which are unexistant.

And thats the fact. And even in that kind of situation, the lad has scored, I would say, plenty of goals - specially considering the situation he is in, the type of play, prefferences of his teammates (Silva will ALWAYS pass to Aguero first!).

Players like Balotelli will win you games.
Players like Dzeko will win you championships. Mancini has a winner at the bench, but obviously doesnt realise it.

If Dzeko doesnt play consistently untill the end of the season, Man. City will not win the league.
Mark my words.

The kid deserves to play, and if he isnt, I hope he will leave Man.City and be someone else's golden part of history.

Dzeko hasn't played consistently all season and we're top of the league. What is different in the last 13 games vs. the first 25 games where we need Dzeko to play every game now?

First of all, even though he hasn't played consistently, he still managed to earn at least a dozen of very important points for his club. Even though!

Second of all, Man.Utd shifts into 6th gear at this time of every season, and when the pressure builds up, we'll see what the players are made of.
Dzeko is a winner. Born. Balotelli - I doubt. As I've said, he can score some crazy goals, he is interesting to watch, but Dzeko can bring the championship to his club. If he gets a chance.

[NorthernHope]

Every team in the world would prefer aguero to dzeko if it were a straight choice, so you bosnian fans shouldn't be so startled that he is our preferred choice if we go with one up front.

I like dzeko, I think he's an amazing finisher and at times he can create but it takes him to be at the very top of his game to do this. I like that he is an option from the bench or in a front two and I realise he will always get more stick than any of our attackers because he looks clumsy, even if most of the time, the outcome is the same.

But don't for one second try to tell the rest of us that we will be sorry if he leaves and "we will see" when he joins another club. We are top of the league and shifting back nicely into gear for the run in, thanks very much.

How about dzeko being sorry if he decides to leave the most progressive club in world football?

"We are top of the league" can change so quickly you wouldnt believe it.
And since Aguero and Dzeko are not the same type of player, you cannot choose between them. Or you can, but then it matters a lot what type of play team has - in City, Aguero fits better that is not hard to guess.
But if there were more crosses and less this "passing untill the end of the world.." game... I can guess who would be far better in numbers and visually.

[NorthernHope]

incredibly stupid u know who score most goals in europen comp. ever not some tevez like pleyer or some messi its inzagi wright time on wright place is gold and dzeko is so much more then inzagi , hes not Aguero becose hes not that kind of player so its idiotic to compere those players as for Ballo how much he brings to the club he will take it away with some stupid red or somthing and one thing mister i know fotball who is your second striker in team . becose of u and like of u DZeko will leave City and then u will see(and abaut the he will score only if u give him the ball watch hes goals this season and u will see goals like against QPR , and few assist to ) how good he is , in team where ewrithing is against him formation passing balls crossing no wings he still score bunch of goals and thats player from team u love and wath u do u talking abaut misplaced ball he played 20 min score an hes involvend in two other goals , no mate u dont have problem with hes preformance u have problem with him and thats sad for a fun ...

A couple of comments on this:

Yes, Inzaghi plays like that and scores like that. Would he make it into a top 4 Premier League team? No. Neither would Ibrahimovic, another player who thrives on sudden chances.

Comparing Dzeko to a player like Inzaghi is, in my opinion, not relevant, because Dzeko needs playing time, and is playing in the Premier league.

I agree that he is much, much more than Inzaghi, but at the same time, what you need to bee a regular starter for a top 4 Premier League team is much, much different to Inzaghi.

About the misplaced pass: two Bosnian posters have picked up on the fact that posters here have criticised it. It's not about hating Dzeko, it's about the fact that that kind of error is simply NEVER seen that often in the Premier League. Maybe twice a season by a player for a mid-lower table club. But certainly not 2-3 times per game by a striker in a top 4 team, as has happened with Dzeko at least 5 times this season.

I'm not blaming Dzeko for it, but at the same time, if he's incapable of playing as a provider on the counter attack, and that's the kind of football Mancini wants to play, then it's going to be hard for him to hold down a place. If Mancini is willing to keep him as the front man, or poacher, then things will work.

I think you are wrong, in almost every point you've made.

First of all, that type of mistakes is absolutely normal, if there wasnt then there would almost be no goals on the matches. Ridiculous. Wrong passes are part of football.

Incapable of playing as a provider on the counter attack? From top of my mind I can think of at least three or four counter attacks that were turned into goals or great chances, created by Dzeko.

[NorthernHope]

Well on course for 20 goals total this season. How many of our strikers have done that in 30 years whilst we are in the top flight? And whilst playing 50% of the time.

He can be frustrating but sometimes I think we have become a bit spoiled.

And he would be on course for 30 if he played regularly. Without a dobut. And with a few good crosses in, that has to be said.

[BlueinBosnia]

I think you are wrong, in almost every point you've made.

First of all, that type of mistakes is absolutely normal, if there wasnt then there would almost be no goals on the matches. Ridiculous. Wrong passes are part of football.

Incapable of playing as a provider on the counter attack? From top of my mind I can think of at least three or four counter attacks that were turned into goals or great chances, created by Dzeko.

Watch a Premier League football match, and see how many passes as off target as Dzeko's pass happen under no pressure whatsoever. 7 games out of 10, you will see none at all. It's not about them being misplaced passes full stop, but misplaced passes with so much time and space on the ball. And those simply do not happen in Premier League football.

In the three or four counter attacks you are talking about, Dzeko was acting as the pivot (ie creating the chance from very little or nothing), not provider (ie keeping a chance created by someone else alive). What I was trying to say (although I admit I didn't phrase it particularly well) is that Dzeko doesn't seem to be allowed to loiter up the top, collect and hold a long ball, and provide the short pass onto Aguero, Silva or Toure.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Second of all, Man.Utd shifts into 6th gear at this time of every season, and when the pressure builds up, we'll see what the players are made of.
Dzeko is a winner. Born. Balotelli - I doubt. As I've said, he can score some crazy goals, he is interesting to watch, but Dzeko can bring the championship to his club. If he gets a chance.

U*d 6th gear is a media perpetuated MYTH. they don't get any stronger at this time, their average of points per game just doesn't drop whereas their challengers usually do.

Balotelli you doubt? The same Balotelli that has the most goals per minute played of any PL player this season?

[NorthernHope]

Second of all, Man.Utd shifts into 6th gear at this time of every season, and when the pressure builds up, we'll see what the players are made of.
Dzeko is a winner. Born. Balotelli - I doubt. As I've said, he can score some crazy goals, he is interesting to watch, but Dzeko can bring the championship to his club. If he gets a chance.

U*d 6th gear is a media perpetuated MYTH. they don't get any stronger at this time, their average of points per game just doesn't drop whereas their challengers usually do.

Balotelli you doubt? The same Balotelli that has the most goals per minute played of any PL player this season?

Yes.

Future will tell.