Dzeko

[Cocacolajojo1]

Second of all, Man.Utd shifts into 6th gear at this time of every season, and when the pressure builds up, we'll see what the players are made of.
Dzeko is a winner. Born. Balotelli - I doubt. As I've said, he can score some crazy goals, he is interesting to watch, but Dzeko can bring the championship to his club. If he gets a chance.

U*d 6th gear is a media perpetuated MYTH. they don't get any stronger at this time, their average of points per game just doesn't drop whereas their challengers usually do.

Balotelli you doubt? The same Balotelli that has the most goals per minute played of any PL player this season?

So instead of saying that United are shifting into a sixth gear, you'd rather say that everybode else drops down to fourth gear? I agree, that is much simpler.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Second of all, Man.Utd shifts into 6th gear at this time of every season, and when the pressure builds up, we'll see what the players are made of.
Dzeko is a winner. Born. Balotelli - I doubt. As I've said, he can score some crazy goals, he is interesting to watch, but Dzeko can bring the championship to his club. If he gets a chance.

U*d 6th gear is a media perpetuated MYTH. they don't get any stronger at this time, their average of points per game just doesn't drop whereas their challengers usually do.

Balotelli you doubt? The same Balotelli that has the most goals per minute played of any PL player this season?

So instead of saying that United are shifting into a sixth gear, you'd rather say that everybode else drops down to fourth gear? I agree, that is much simpler.

It's not really a case of it being simpler mate, it is fact. U*d don't get stronger as the season goes on, they just usually have the mental strength and stamina to stay the course.

[NorthernHope]

I think you are wrong, in almost every point you've made.

First of all, that type of mistakes is absolutely normal, if there wasnt then there would almost be no goals on the matches. Ridiculous. Wrong passes are part of football.

Incapable of playing as a provider on the counter attack? From top of my mind I can think of at least three or four counter attacks that were turned into goals or great chances, created by Dzeko.

Watch a Premier League football match, and see how many passes as off target as Dzeko's pass happen under no pressure whatsoever. 7 games out of 10, you will see none at all. It's not about them being misplaced passes full stop, but misplaced passes with so much time and space on the ball. And those simply do not happen in Premier League football.

In the three or four counter attacks you are talking about, Dzeko was acting as the pivot (ie creating the chance from very little or nothing), not provider (ie keeping a chance created by someone else alive). What I was trying to say (although I admit I didn't phrase it particularly well) is that Dzeko doesn't seem to be allowed to loiter up the top, collect and hold a long ball, and provide the short pass onto Aguero, Silva or Toure.

Because he gets the ball when there's nowhere else to go with it. On many occasions.
I agree, maybe it happens to him more often then to someone else, but he makes up for it on his stronger side. Or he could, if he would receive the pass, the ball, the way he needs it.

And that could be the main reason why he isnt the same player as in Germany.
In Wolfsburg, he had Misimovic, who in every second of the match knew where was Dzeko - and often he hit that ball high up in the air, skip entire midfield and pass it to him, in space - and goal. Dzeko had that one player in the team, playmaker, that searched for him every way he could - and Misimovic matched all-time high 20 passes in the season.

Silva could be that player for Dzeko, but he isnt. Because he favors Aguero, just as he favored Tevez when he was around. When you dont have your main passer, as "old style" forward - you can be kinda lost. Which Dzeko is sometimes, because he is not no.1 option - > go back to the point where he gets the pass when there's no other option and in more then 50% of times the pass finds him in complicated/well guarded spot.

[Ted Hughes]

I think you are wrong, in almost every point you've made.

First of all, that type of mistakes is absolutely normal, if there wasnt then there would almost be no goals on the matches. Ridiculous. Wrong passes are part of football.

Incapable of playing as a provider on the counter attack? From top of my mind I can think of at least three or four counter attacks that were turned into goals or great chances, created by Dzeko.

Watch a Premier League football match, and see how many passes as off target as Dzeko's pass happen under no pressure whatsoever. 7 games out of 10, you will see none at all. It's not about them being misplaced passes full stop, but misplaced passes with so much time and space on the ball. And those simply do not happen in Premier League football.

In the three or four counter attacks you are talking about, Dzeko was acting as the pivot (ie creating the chance from very little or nothing), not provider (ie keeping a chance created by someone else alive). What I was trying to say (although I admit I didn't phrase it particularly well) is that Dzeko doesn't seem to be allowed to loiter up the top, collect and hold a long ball, and provide the short pass onto Aguero, Silva or Toure.

Because he gets the ball when there's nowhere else to go with it. On many occasions.
I agree, maybe it happens to him more often then to someone else, but he makes up for it on his stronger side. Or he could, if he would receive the pass, the ball, the way he needs it.

And that could be the main reason why he isnt the same player as in Germany.
In Wolfsburg, he had Misimovic, who in every second of the match knew where was Dzeko - and often he hit that ball high up in the air, skip entire midfield and pass it to him, in space - and goal. Dzeko had that one player in the team, playmaker, that searched for him every way he could - and Misimovic matched all-time high 20 passes in the season.

Silva could be that player for Dzeko, but he isnt. Because he favors Aguero, just as he favored Tevez when he was around. When you dont have your main passer, as "old style" forward - you can be kinda lost. Which Dzeko is sometimes, because he is not no.1 option - > go back to the point where he gets the pass when there's no other option and in more then 50% of times the pass finds him in complicated/well guarded spot.

He isn't the same player as in Germany because the Premier League is much much better than the German league.

Here you have to fight in many games. When dzeko puts that extra in, he is brilliant & imo worth his place in the team even if he doesn't score. When he fails to put in the extra effort he is shit, & ruins the team, even if he does score.

[NorthernHope]

I think you are wrong, in almost every point you've made.

First of all, that type of mistakes is absolutely normal, if there wasnt then there would almost be no goals on the matches. Ridiculous. Wrong passes are part of football.

Incapable of playing as a provider on the counter attack? From top of my mind I can think of at least three or four counter attacks that were turned into goals or great chances, created by Dzeko.

Watch a Premier League football match, and see how many passes as off target as Dzeko's pass happen under no pressure whatsoever. 7 games out of 10, you will see none at all. It's not about them being misplaced passes full stop, but misplaced passes with so much time and space on the ball. And those simply do not happen in Premier League football.

In the three or four counter attacks you are talking about, Dzeko was acting as the pivot (ie creating the chance from very little or nothing), not provider (ie keeping a chance created by someone else alive). What I was trying to say (although I admit I didn't phrase it particularly well) is that Dzeko doesn't seem to be allowed to loiter up the top, collect and hold a long ball, and provide the short pass onto Aguero, Silva or Toure.

Because he gets the ball when there's nowhere else to go with it. On many occasions.
I agree, maybe it happens to him more often then to someone else, but he makes up for it on his stronger side. Or he could, if he would receive the pass, the ball, the way he needs it.

And that could be the main reason why he isnt the same player as in Germany.
In Wolfsburg, he had Misimovic, who in every second of the match knew where was Dzeko - and often he hit that ball high up in the air, skip entire midfield and pass it to him, in space - and goal. Dzeko had that one player in the team, playmaker, that searched for him every way he could - and Misimovic matched all-time high 20 passes in the season.

Silva could be that player for Dzeko, but he isnt. Because he favors Aguero, just as he favored Tevez when he was around. When you dont have your main passer, as "old style" forward - you can be kinda lost. Which Dzeko is sometimes, because he is not no.1 option - > go back to the point where he gets the pass when there's no other option and in more then 50% of times the pass finds him in complicated/well guarded spot.

He isn't the same player as in Germany because the Premier League is much much better than the German league.

Here you have to fight in many games. When dzeko puts that extra in, he is brilliant & imo worth his place in the team even if he doesn't score. When he fails to put in the extra effort he is shit, & ruins the team, even if he does score.

..whilst in Germany they let you walk in a goal... .... come on!! Give me a break.
Premier league is certainly better, but not that much and that is not the case here.

There are few other issues here that I believe are possible reason for him not "putting that extra in":
1. Dzeko doesnt have a player like Misimovic in the team - he has Silva, who always seem to be trying to find another option instead of passing it to Dzeko. Pay attention to it and youll see.
2. Style of Man.City play - again, doesnt suit for Dzeko - if City had 5 crosses in the box each match Im ready to bet that at least one of them would be a Dzeko goal, or at least 100% chance. But that just isnt happening and probably it wont.. Ill be waiting, be I doubt Ill see some extra crosses in.

When these two above dissaper, I believe that Dzeko himself will put some extra in, or maybe he just wont have to.

[Ted Hughes]

Premier League centre halves are tougher & more physical than most. Dzeko sometimes lets them push him around. Aguero doesn't, Tevez doesn't, Balotelli used to but doesn't anymore but sometimes Dzeko does. Some games Dzeko doesn't fight for the ball, some games he uses his size & strength to keep the ball & help the team. The difference is huge & it can change from one game to the next.

Watching it from close up is very very annoying, when only a few days before you have seen the same player run a yard faster & jump a foot higher. It's obvious.

[Beefymcfc]

It's agreed then, Edin's class?

[Ted Hughes]

It's agreed then, Edin's class?

He can be, absolutely.

[Mase]

I <3 Edin

[Original Dub]

Not to open up the bellamy debate but it would be interesting to see with the type of cross bellamy can put in how much more effective dzeko would be.

[Mase]

Not to open up the bellamy debate but it would be interesting to see with the type of cross bellamy can put in how much more effective dzeko would be.

You've gone and done it now mate!

[Blue Since 76]

2. Style of Man.City play - again, doesnt suit for Dzeko - if City had 5 crosses in the box each match Im ready to bet that at least one of them would be a Dzeko goal, or at least 100% chance. But that just isnt happening and probably it wont.. Ill be waiting, be I doubt Ill see some extra crosses in..

finally, something I agree with. Not really sure what Bob wanted to do with Dzeko, considering we don't play to his strengths. However, I hope we don't turn into a team who do play to his strengths, so where does that leave him...

[Denis4583]

I think you are wrong, in almost every point you've made.

First of all, that type of mistakes is absolutely normal, if there wasnt then there would almost be no goals on the matches. Ridiculous. Wrong passes are part of football.

Incapable of playing as a provider on the counter attack? From top of my mind I can think of at least three or four counter attacks that were turned into goals or great chances, created by Dzeko.

I agree

[carl_feedthegoat]

Interesting stats on Dzeko and Sergio.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/play ... edin-dzeko
ATTACKING
DEFENDING
DISCIPLINARY
GOALS
17
SHOTS
104
PENALTIES
0
ASSISTS
8
CROSSES
9
OFFSIDES
47
Goals





http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/play ... gio-aguero
ATTACKING
DEFENDING
DISCIPLINARY
GOALS
20
SHOTS
104
PENALTIES
2
ASSISTS
7
CROSSES
17
OFFSIDES
24
Goals

Dzeko needs to watch his offsides..something that Aguero is not bad at overall........

[NorthernHope]

Interesting stats on Dzeko and Sergio.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/play ... edin-dzeko
ATTACKING
DEFENDING
DISCIPLINARY
GOALS
17
SHOTS
104
PENALTIES
0
ASSISTS
8
CROSSES
9
OFFSIDES
47
Goals





http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/play ... gio-aguero
ATTACKING
DEFENDING
DISCIPLINARY
GOALS
20
SHOTS
104
PENALTIES
2
ASSISTS
7
CROSSES
17
OFFSIDES
24
Goals

Dzeko needs to watch his offsides..something that Aguero is not bad at overall........

I think that the stat about minutes played is also very important:
- Aguero in premiership - 1737
- Dzeko in premiership - 1208

This goes to Dzeko's favor.

Also, interesting information would be how many passes were going for each of them.

[TN Sub7]

Also, interesting information would be how many passes were going for each of them.

9 out of 10 in Aguero's favor.

[Blue Since 76]

I think that the stat about minutes played is also very important:
- Aguero in premiership - 1737
- Dzeko in premiership - 1208

This goes to Dzeko's favor.

Also, interesting information would be how many passes were going for each of them.

Another interesting stat would be how many balls played into them bounced 30 feet away. Or how many times they were pushed off the ball by a player a foot shorter. Or how many times they jogged around like their boots were too heavy to lift. Doubt they include those, though

[Crossie]

Perhaps its Silva's job to pass to Aguero, and Aguero's job to pass to Dzeko for the tap in??? Might explain why Dzeko gets pissed off, and why when he has scored a couple of "tap in's" in the last few games, he looks like he is celebrating with a "that's what fucking MEANT to happen" face, rather than a "yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" face.

[shortagain]

Personally, I just hope Edin can adapt to the rotation system, he scores goals, creates chances & you wouldn't want him playing against us. Assuming Tevez finally disappears up his own arxxxxxx & he is replaced by say Lavenzzi or Cavani, added to Sergio & Mario, we would have the best strike force in the world. Roll on next season, its going to be special

[Ted Hughes]

Perhaps its Silva's job to pass to Aguero, and Aguero's job to pass to Dzeko for the tap in??? Might explain why Dzeko gets pissed off, and why when he has scored a couple of "tap in's" in the last few games, he looks like he is celebrating with a "that's what fucking MEANT to happen" face, rather than a "yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" face.

He's right.

Aguero has been poor at times on the ball when he could have 'put Dzeko in' & I get the impression Bob is telling them about it. They were playing together better when the season started but Aguero seemed to stop passing to Dzeko. Dzeko though, has been equally poor with Aguero, even preventing him from scoring on several occasions.