Mancini or Mourinho?

[DoomMerchant]

The 1st Division record of our most successful manager. A manager remembered highly enough to have a memorial mosaic outside our groung and a pathway to the stadium named after him. He and his memory is still revered.
JOE MERCER:.....15th, 1st, 11th, 10th, 11th, 4th,......at what point would you have sacked him?

The 1st Division record of the most successful manager of a domestic club. A manager that is hated because of his success, so much that we are threatening a jelly and ice cream party.
TAGGART:.......4th, 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st.

Considering some of you are even contemplating the removal of Mancini....Maybe you would like to take a few moments to consider if Taggart would have survived under you.

i'd have sacked the second bastard in that list after he dropped from 11th to 13th. Fuck him. i wouldn't be having it.

You are fuclin FIRED you bacon-faced, whisky-nosed, shit of a man. And you will never manage again in this league. Goodbye sir. Good. Bye.

[Hazy2]

Talking about that fool,can we sack Platt yet?

I still dont like that weasel.

David Platt, Ast. Manager at the richest club in the world, when you say it you do think, how has that happened !

[john68]

Doomie,
Many on here would have not tolerated a failure from 1st to 11th after City won the league. They certainly would have had Mercer out on his arse the following season.

Football today seems to be more about destruction, demolition and a stupid, unrealistic demand for immediacy and instant gratification. Like children outsidea sweet shop..."I want that lolly...and i want it right this minute"

I despair Mate.....maybe I should leave the asylum to the lunatics and fuck off to support the Dog and Duck on a Sunday afternoon.

[Hazy2]

Doomie,
Many on here would have not tolerated a failure from 1st to 11th after City won the league. They certainly would have had Mercer out on his arse the following season.

Football today seems to be more about destruction, demolition and a stupid, unrealistic demand for immediacy and instant gratification. Like children outsidea sweet shop..."I want that lolly...and i want it right this minute"

I despair Mate.....maybe I should leave the asylum to the lunatics and fuck off to support the Dog and Duck on a Sunday afternoon.

Give it break John, this is the world we live in if we want that now, this season with no Keeper for half of the season no Centre half/Captain for the whole season Fletcher out we beat them 6-1 we should be Champs now, April 30th should have been our Party.
Venting is normal, FFS we are blues.We have fucked it up and can still win it. Just chill and let the steam blow.

[PeterParker]

@PeterParker,
Thank you for those kind words, now can I take issue with you...:-)

I think that you may find that the 6-1 win changed things for us substantially. Before that most teams were happy to take us on, leaving us space, allowing our free flowing football to be successful. That 6-1 made coaches sit up big time and change how they played against us. From that point we were presented with a different set of problems that we are still coming to terms with. All part of the evolution of Bob, our tactics and our club. Our results show that we have largely learned to overcome this but not totally.

I have never bought into the Mancini "bad management skills" nor the accusations of the "mismanagement" of Bellers, Ade and those others.

Every new manager arrives with his own ideas, some players accept them, others don't and some find themselves unable to adapt, despite wanting to. A bit like a tug of war team mate...the whole team has to pull,if any are pushing the rope, they have to go or you lose.
It is all part of that evolution and it doesn't matter how good they may be, if they want to push, they are a liablity to progress.

I don't think they changed that much. In the past teams parked their bus with us, most of the times at home and we had problems (B'gham, Fulham, Rovers last year) and they still do the same, when they come to our ground, but still we play our usual game and have no problems on winning games.

The problem i see is that, we managed to solve the "bus" problem, but we started to fail to win with teams that are trying to play with us. Swansea, Qpr, Everton, Sunderland, Villa, were teams that didn't park the bus and tried to take us by the balls, giving us spaces, but we failed. Those type of teams at home can be a wet dream for let's say Napoli. Their counter would had murder them.

[Blue Since 76]

The 1st Division record of our most successful manager. A manager remembered highly enough to have a memorial mosaic outside our groung and a pathway to the stadium named after him. He and his memory is still revered.
JOE MERCER:.....15th, 1st, 11th, 10th, 11th, 4th,......at what point would you have sacked him?

The 1st Division record of the most successful manager of a domestic club. A manager that is hated because of his success, so much that we are threatening a jelly and ice cream party.
TAGGART:.......4th, 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st.

Considering some of you are even contemplating the removal of Mancini....Maybe you would like to take a few moments to consider if Taggart would have survived under you.

If we'd kept Brian Horton, would we have won the league by now? Or is it the case of giving the right man long enough, rather than any man long enough?

I don't know if Bob is good enough, but I do know he won't get eight seasons to show he is.

[Kladze]

@PeterParker,
Thank you for those kind words, now can I take issue with you...:-)

I think that you may find that the 6-1 win changed things for us substantially. Before that most teams were happy to take us on, leaving us space, allowing our free flowing football to be successful. That 6-1 made coaches sit up big time and change how they played against us. From that point we were presented with a different set of problems that we are still coming to terms with. All part of the evolution of Bob, our tactics and our club. Our results show that we have largely learned to overcome this but not totally.

I have never bought into the Mancini "bad management skills" nor the accusations of the "mismanagement" of Bellers, Ade and those others.

Every new manager arrives with his own ideas, some players accept them, others don't and some find themselves unable to adapt, despite wanting to. A bit like a tug of war team mate...the whole team has to pull,if any are pushing the rope, they have to go or you lose.
It is all part of that evolution and it doesn't matter how good they may be, if they want to push, they are a liablity to progress.

I don't think they changed that much. In the past teams parked their bus with us, most of the times at home and we had problems (B'gham, Fulham, Rovers last year) and they still do the same, when they come to our ground, but still we play our usual game and have no problems on winning games.

The problem i see is that, we managed to solve the "bus" problem, but we started to fail to win with teams that are trying to play with us. Swansea, Qpr, Everton, Sunderland, Villa, were teams that didn't park the bus and tried to take us by the balls, giving us spaces, but we failed. Those type of teams at home can be a wet dream for let's say Napoli. Their counter would had murder them.

Our problems don't lie with any team's particular overall style of play.

Our problems lie with how they defend against us and with our lack of variety.
Teams force us inside and we happily oblige. We try to patiently slice them open, again and again ad nauseum but it doesn't work so do we try the alternatives? getting the ball wide for first time crosses? having individuals run at the defence? a few long range shots (and any deflections/pinball these might produce)?

We NEED to cause opposition defenders more than one kind of problem to deal with and to create a degree of panic among them.

[PeterParker]

@PeterParker,
Thank you for those kind words, now can I take issue with you...:-)

I think that you may find that the 6-1 win changed things for us substantially. Before that most teams were happy to take us on, leaving us space, allowing our free flowing football to be successful. That 6-1 made coaches sit up big time and change how they played against us. From that point we were presented with a different set of problems that we are still coming to terms with. All part of the evolution of Bob, our tactics and our club. Our results show that we have largely learned to overcome this but not totally.

I have never bought into the Mancini "bad management skills" nor the accusations of the "mismanagement" of Bellers, Ade and those others.

Every new manager arrives with his own ideas, some players accept them, others don't and some find themselves unable to adapt, despite wanting to. A bit like a tug of war team mate...the whole team has to pull,if any are pushing the rope, they have to go or you lose.
It is all part of that evolution and it doesn't matter how good they may be, if they want to push, they are a liablity to progress.

I don't think they changed that much. In the past teams parked their bus with us, most of the times at home and we had problems (B'gham, Fulham, Rovers last year) and they still do the same, when they come to our ground, but still we play our usual game and have no problems on winning games.

The problem i see is that, we managed to solve the "bus" problem, but we started to fail to win with teams that are trying to play with us. Swansea, Qpr, Everton, Sunderland, Villa, were teams that didn't park the bus and tried to take us by the balls, giving us spaces, but we failed. Those type of teams at home can be a wet dream for let's say Napoli. Their counter would had murder them.

Our problems don't lie with any team's particular overall style of play.

Our problems lie with how they defend against us and with our lack of variety.
Teams force us inside and we happily oblige. We try to patiently slice them open, again and again ad nauseum but it doesn't work so do we try the alternatives? getting the ball wide for first time crosses? having individuals run at the defence? a few long range shots (and any deflections/pinball these might produce)?

We NEED to cause opposition defenders more than one kind of problem to deal with and to create a degree of panic among them.

We need to start a game at maximum. Score first and then let them play, but we failed to do that. For a tactician, a game with a smaller team, that doesn't defend 100%, because they play at home, would be a simple job.

[john68]

Hazy,
I was as gutted at losing yesterday as anyone else Mate but some of this shite today is beyond crass stupidity.

[Hazy2]

Hazy,
I was as gutted at losing yesterday as anyone else Mate but some of this shite today is beyond crass stupidity.

The hunted just became the hunter I think it will suit us John.

[trout man]

I stuck this in the Mancini Thread...think it fits better in here...apologies for the double post...

We all know opinions are like assholes..everyone has one, but I for one am appalled by some of the assholes..sorry, opinions...posted on this board at the minute, its getting more and more like bluemoan all the time.

Yes we are all rightly pissed off and the young lad crying at the match is the epitome of the pressure we are feeling as fans, but to seriously say that you couldn't care less if Mancini was gone in the morning or not good enough or tactically inept is just plain wrong. Its not that he doesnt have moments of tactical ineptitude but show me a manager that doesnt...baconface has made some howlers this year in both the league and in Europe and has got away with most of them in the league...Guardiola is far from perfect...so I am wondering just what kind of paragon of footballing virtue the dissenters feel is 'good enough' to manage the greatest football club in the world (cue sarcasm)...now cue the Mourinho debate as he is the only one, the special one, the one and only that will propel 'the worlds greatest football team' into a sphere of triumph unmatched by any that have gone before...because as you know, we 'deserve' it, honestly we do....we really do...don't we?

The arrogance being expressed by a component of our fans is nothing short of shocking...we should be supporting Mancini, acknowledging his mistakes and by our very reasoning by being fans of City, consolidating and backing our manager to the hilt not undermining him and ultimately the moral of our team. Could you imagine if Mancini, the backroom staff or the players were reading some of the vitriol on the pages of this forum in the last 24 hours..we are, by proxy, undermining confidence through our arrogant expectations and playing into the hands of all those naysayers that intimate we should win everything because of all the money we have spent....strangely some of our 'fans' feel the same way...obnoxious to say the least.

It is natural when a player/s has a bad game there are going to be negative comments about the player...sure that is all part of the game and if one bad performance leads on to another and yet another then by definition that player will become the subject of our ire, but lets not assassinate them either (they are still our brothers in blue). Our current 'hurt' emanates from what is tantalisingly within our grasp and some just cant wait nor have the patience to get through this stressful time without hurling abuse. There is a phrase that says 'we always hurt the ones we love' and I feel that abusing Mancini is abusing City and ultimately the one thing we want the most and that is the Premiership title. I would gladly sacrifice this years premiership title if I knew that the stability that Mancini has obviously brought to our club in the last two years would be maintained and that it meant us winning the next three in a row...that I feel is our destiny if we can stick to the programme.

As hard as this may be we need unconditional support for our manager right now, and as any of us who have children know, our love is unconditional even though at times we could box the ears of them...but we still love them and I dont doubt that most, if not all on here, love their club...just don't let the pressure get in the way of the love.

CTID

[john68]

Hazy,
I was as gutted at losing yesterday as anyone else Mate but some of this shite today is beyond crass stupidity.

The hunted just became the hunter I think it will suit us John.

See, you're better already....Bring on Sporting and Bilbao.

[Hazy2]

Hazy,
I was as gutted at losing yesterday as anyone else Mate but some of this shite today is beyond crass stupidity.

The hunted just became the hunter I think it will suit us John.

See, you're better already....Bring on Sporting and Bilbao.

John I am happy 2nd I have one thing the red twats will never have I have MCFC.