Mancini

[trout man]

We all know opinions are like assholes..everyone has one, but I for one am appalled by some of the assholes..sorry, opinions...posted on this board at the minute, its getting more and more like bluemoan all the time.

Yes we are all rightly pissed off and the young lad crying at the match is the epitome of the pressure we are feeling as fans, but to seriously say that you couldn't care less if Mancini was gone in the morning or not good enough or tactically inept is just plain wrong. Its not that he doesnt have moments of tactical ineptitude but show me a manager that doesnt...baconface has made some howlers this year in both the league and in Europe and has got away with most of them in the league...Guardiola is far from perfect...so I am wondering just what kind of paragon of footballing virtue the dissenters feel is 'good enough' to manage the greatest football club in the world (cue sarcasm)...now cue the Mourinho debate as he is the only one, the special one, the one and only that will propel 'the worlds greatest football team' into a sphere of triumph unmatched by any that have gone before...because as you know, we 'deserve' it, honestly we do....we really do...don't we?

The arrogance being expressed by a component of our fans is nothing short of shocking...we should be supporting Mancini, acknowledging his mistakes and by our very reasoning by being fans of City, consolidating and backing our manager to the hilt not undermining him and ultimately the moral of our team. Could you imagine if Mancini, the backroom staff or the players were reading some of the vitriol on the pages of this forum in the last 24 hours..we are, by proxy, undermining confidence through our arrogant expectations and playing into the hands of all those naysayers that intimate we should win everything because of all the money we have spent....strangely some of our 'fans' feel the same way...obnoxious to say the least.

It is natural when a player/s has a bad game there are going to be negative comments about the player...sure that is all part of the game and if one bad performance leads on to another and yet another then by definition that player will become the subject of our ire, but lets not assassinate them either (they are still our brothers in blue). Our current 'hurt' emanates from what is tantalisingly within our grasp and some just cant wait nor have the patience to get through this stressful time without hurling abuse, there is a phrase that says 'we always hurt the ones we love' and I feel that abusing Mancini is abusing City and ultimately the one thing we want the most and that is the Premiership title, but I would gladly sacrifice this years premiership title if I knew that the stability that Mancini has obviously brought to our club in the last two years would be maintained and that it meant us winning the next three in a row...that I feel is our destiny if we can stick to the programme.

As hard as this may be we need unconditional support for our manager right now, and as any of us who have children know, our love is unconditional even though at times we could box the ears of them...but we still love them and I dont doubt that most, if not all on here, love their club...just don't let the pressure get in the way of the love.

CTID

i support City
i support the players
i support Mancini

i am not an asshole, usually, and definitely not in this case
i will criticize Mancini all i want and not feel like i'm undermining the team
i will also criticize specific players efforts or skills as i wish based upon what i see

i will also cling to the notion that there is a lot of football to be played
i will also hope that Mancini and the players are preparing mentally to go for the throat and play to win

i think unconditional support of the manager is a ridiculous comment. He's not infallible. He's not a City legend who can do no wrong. He's a man we put a lot of faith in, and i hope upon hope that he wins us the league.

there are a lot of "very good to almost-great" managers in world football, and i think Mancini is in danger of ensuring that he's enshrined at that level forever unless he pulls his finger out, and works to join the ranks of the small and elite crew of truly world-class managers who are currently operating in world football. Clearly, we need that manager and i'd rather him build his reputation here with us and for us than "buying" that manager a la Jose, but...we need that manager. That manager doesn't lose the league this season.

There is still time.

cheers

I understand what you are saying, but can you honestly give me the name of a manager that will GUARANTEE success..if you can, then I will stand corrected. I am simply saying that our emotions are driving this debate and not only is it divisive amongst our fan base, it is ultimately divisive towards the general well being of our club at this juncture...I dont see the point in systematically undermining our boss and club at this important time.

[dazby]

I'm totally convinced he will sacrifice the game.

What, you mean he'll rotate the team, play players who aren't good enough, have some bizarre formation where you can't really work out what they're supposed to be doing, leave the best players on the bench etc? Or were you talking about the Europa game?

Pantymelons and Savic will play against Sporting. Nuff said.

[chips]

I honestly think Mancini should forget about the europa league. With us in it, we play every 3/4 days, less rest and potentially more injuries. With us out of europa we would play every 7/8 days, plenty of rest, especially this far into the season when the players are tired as it is. Dropping out of europa may be our best chance of winning the premier league.

[Kladze]

I honestly think Mancini should forget about the europa league. With us in it, we play every 3/4 days, less rest and potentially more injuries. With us out of europa we would play every 7/8 days, plenty of rest, especially this far into the season when the players are tired as it is.[highlight]Dropping out of europa may be our best chance of winning the premier league[/highlight].

It might also be our best chance of winning fuck all

Just sayin'

[chips]

It might also be our best chance of winning fuck all

Just sayin'

It's a risk he has to take, just my opinion. The premier league is much more important. Also it seems as if the rags are going out of the competition, so they will have pure focus on the premier league. After our last result its a gamble mancini might just have to take.

[Michigan Blue]

If we get past Sporting we are 5 games away from a European trophy, and one of the favorites to lift it, particularly if United go out.

We are now clear underdogs in the league, with or without Europa obligations.

Second place and Europa League winners would constitute a fantastic season despite the late stutter in the league. Second place and yet another European capitulation doesn't bear thinking about. A better European coefficient wouldn't do us any harm either after our Group of Death in the CL.

We have a squad built to challenge on all fronts and if we bow out of Europe with a whimper then Bobby will have some serious fucking questions to answer.

[Beefymcfc]

On Sunday Supplement they were saying that United should give up on the Europa and concentrate on the league (funny how they come out with that when they are need to win by 2 goals away from home). How many times have you heard that said about United, give up a cup for the league? That just said to me how desperate the media are for United to win it, and us to not.

Mancini is public enemy number 1 as the face of our establishment and is treated accordingly by the press. Maybe this pressure will actually start to tell on United and due to their arse-wipe reporters wanting it so much they are now inadvertently saying that their team is not good enough to do both. Should we follow suit and concentrate on the league, I'm not sure.

[PeterParker]

Mancini is public enemy number 1 as the face of our establishment and is treated accordingly by the press.

I really think that Bob was considered that since that clinch with Moses, in his first season. They "murdered" him in the press after that.

[Sideshow Bob]

On Sunday Supplement they were saying that United should give up on the Europa and concentrate on the league (funny how they come out with that when they are need to win by 2 goals away from home). How many times have you heard that said about United, give up a cup for the league? That just said to me how desperate the media are for United to win it, and us to not.

Mancini is public enemy number 1 as the face of our establishment and is treated accordingly by the press. Maybe this pressure will actually start to tell on United and due to their arse-wipe reporters wanting it so much they are now inadvertently saying that their team is not good enough to do both. Should we follow suit and concentrate on the league, I'm not sure.

err...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... title-race
Manchester City must dump the Europa League to save their seasonIn the context of the first all-Manchester title race since 1968, the Europa League should be irrelevant to Roberto Mancini

Rob SmythThis article was published on guardian.co.uk at 07.09 EDT on Monday 12 March 2012. It was last modified at 07.30 EDT on Monday 12 March 2012.

Manchester City are starting to look like a team in need of a summer holiday. What they certainly do not need is more trips abroad in the Europa League. City's form has collapsed to such an alarming extent away from home – 16 points and 23 goals in the first six league games, eight points and four goals in the last eight – that, at least in statistical terms, comparisons with Kevin Keegan's Newcastle are not so much valid as compulsory. If City's away form is not addressed immediately, they might go into the meeting with Manchester United on 30 April needing snookers.

The life of the mind is so precarious that everything could change, especially if City have a Macheda moment to reverse their momentum, but they would significantly increase their chances of winning the league if they played a full reserve side in the Europa League. They could even give Owen Hargreaves a game. If they progress, fine; the reserves can play in the quarter-final as well. If not City will play only one game a week for the rest of the season, and their attacking names will have the chance to get some feeling back in their legs and some freshness in their minds.

When it comes to a Manchester club pursuing a first league title since the late 60s, there is a relevant precedent. In 1991-92, the top two of Leeds and Manchester United played each other in all three competitions in an 18-day period just after Christmas. United put Leeds out of the FA Cup and the League Cup, but the extra games eventually caught up with them. They picked up a series of injuries, had to play four league games in a week, and a fresher Leeds side pipped them to the title. United won the League Cup, but few people remember that: on the field, 1991-92 was arguably the most distressing season in United's history. A Europa League triumph will not wash away the tears if they blow the league.

Roberto Mancini has plenty to prove in Europe after failure with City and Internazionale, but he cannot let his pride get in the way: in the context of the first all-Manchester title race since 1968, the Europa League is an irrelevance.

[Beefymcfc]

On Sunday Supplement they were saying that United should give up on the Europa and concentrate on the league (funny how they come out with that when they are need to win by 2 goals away from home). How many times have you heard that said about United, give up a cup for the league? That just said to me how desperate the media are for United to win it, and us to not.

Mancini is public enemy number 1 as the face of our establishment and is treated accordingly by the press. Maybe this pressure will actually start to tell on United and due to their arse-wipe reporters wanting it so much they are now inadvertently saying that their team is not good enough to do both. Should we follow suit and concentrate on the league, I'm not sure.

err...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog ... title-race
Manchester City must dump the Europa League to save their seasonIn the context of the first all-Manchester title race since 1968, the Europa League should be irrelevant to Roberto Mancini

Rob SmythThis article was published on guardian.co.uk at 07.09 EDT on Monday 12 March 2012. It was last modified at 07.30 EDT on Monday 12 March 2012.

Manchester City are starting to look like a team in need of a summer holiday. What they certainly do not need is more trips abroad in the Europa League. City's form has collapsed to such an alarming extent away from home – 16 points and 23 goals in the first six league games, eight points and four goals in the last eight – that, at least in statistical terms, comparisons with Kevin Keegan's Newcastle are not so much valid as compulsory. If City's away form is not addressed immediately, they might go into the meeting with Manchester United on 30 April needing snookers.

The life of the mind is so precarious that everything could change, especially if City have a Macheda moment to reverse their momentum, but they would significantly increase their chances of winning the league if they played a full reserve side in the Europa League. They could even give Owen Hargreaves a game. If they progress, fine; the reserves can play in the quarter-final as well. If not City will play only one game a week for the rest of the season, and their attacking names will have the chance to get some feeling back in their legs and some freshness in their minds.

When it comes to a Manchester club pursuing a first league title since the late 60s, there is a relevant precedent. In 1991-92, the top two of Leeds and Manchester United played each other in all three competitions in an 18-day period just after Christmas. United put Leeds out of the FA Cup and the League Cup, but the extra games eventually caught up with them. They picked up a series of injuries, had to play four league games in a week, and a fresher Leeds side pipped them to the title. United won the League Cup, but few people remember that: on the field, 1991-92 was arguably the most distressing season in United's history. A Europa League triumph will not wash away the tears if they blow the league.

Roberto Mancini has plenty to prove in Europe after failure with City and Internazionale, but he cannot let his pride get in the way: in the context of the first all-Manchester title race since 1968, the Europa League is an irrelevance.

He must've watched SS as well ;-)

[mir.sad]

Is he about to crack?

With everything that's been going on, refereeing decisions, a few losses, Gerard's tunnel altercation, not doing the press conference etc, it's being reported that Mancini is circumbing to the pressures of being at the top. For me, this is not the case only that Mancini is getting annoyed at what has been going on of late.

So, what are your views. Are the media trying to make something out of nothing or is there something behind it?

Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

[mir.sad]

Is he about to crack?

With everything that's been going on, refereeing decisions, a few losses, Gerard's tunnel altercation, not doing the press conference etc, it's being reported that Mancini is circumbing to the pressures of being at the top. For me, this is not the case only that Mancini is getting annoyed at what has been going on of late.

So, what are your views. Are the media trying to make something out of nothing or is there something behind it?

Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

[mir.sad]

I suspect what's going on here is nothing compared to italy.

We lost to the rags - all the discussion was the sending off and Shrek's actions

We lost to Liverpool - all the talk was about the Gerrard bust up.

In both cases there should have been discussion about poor performances from a number of players, but all the discussion was deflected to where Machiavelli, sorry Mancini, pointed it.

Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

[mir.sad]

We all know opinions are like assholes..everyone has one, but I for one am appalled by some of the assholes..sorry, opinions...posted on this board at the minute, its getting more and more like bluemoan all the time.

Yes we are all rightly pissed off and the young lad crying at the match is the epitome of the pressure we are feeling as fans, but to seriously say that you couldn't care less if Mancini was gone in the morning or not good enough or tactically inept is just plain wrong. Its not that he doesnt have moments of tactical ineptitude but show me a manager that doesnt...baconface has made some howlers this year in both the league and in Europe and has got away with most of them in the league...Guardiola is far from perfect...so I am wondering just what kind of paragon of footballing virtue the dissenters feel is 'good enough' to manage the greatest football club in the world (cue sarcasm)...now cue the Mourinho debate as he is the only one, the special one, the one and only that will propel 'the worlds greatest football team' into a sphere of triumph unmatched by any that have gone before...because as you know, we 'deserve' it, honestly we do....we really do...don't we?
Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

The arrogance being expressed by a component of our fans is nothing short of shocking...we should be supporting Mancini, acknowledging his mistakes and by our very reasoning by being fans of City, consolidating and backing our manager to the hilt not undermining him and ultimately the moral of our team. Could you imagine if Mancini, the backroom staff or the players were reading some of the vitriol on the pages of this forum in the last 24 hours..we are, by proxy, undermining confidence through our arrogant expectations and playing into the hands of all those naysayers that intimate we should win everything because of all the money we have spent....strangely some of our 'fans' feel the same way...obnoxious to say the least.

It is natural when a player/s has a bad game there are going to be negative comments about the player...sure that is all part of the game and if one bad performance leads on to another and yet another then by definition that player will become the subject of our ire, but lets not assassinate them either (they are still our brothers in blue). Our current 'hurt' emanates from what is tantalisingly within our grasp and some just cant wait nor have the patience to get through this stressful time without hurling abuse, there is a phrase that says 'we always hurt the ones we love' and I feel that abusing Mancini is abusing City and ultimately the one thing we want the most and that is the Premiership title, but I would gladly sacrifice this years premiership title if I knew that the stability that Mancini has obviously brought to our club in the last two years would be maintained and that it meant us winning the next three in a row...that I feel is our destiny if we can stick to the programme.

As hard as this may be we need unconditional support for our manager right now, and as any of us who have children know, our love is unconditional even though at times we could box the ears of them...but we still love them and I dont doubt that most, if not all on here, love their club...just don't let the pressure get in the way of the love.

CTID

i support City
i support the players
i support Mancini

i am not an asshole, usually, and definitely not in this case
i will criticize Mancini all i want and not feel like i'm undermining the team
i will also criticize specific players efforts or skills as i wish based upon what i see

i will also cling to the notion that there is a lot of football to be played
i will also hope that Mancini and the players are preparing mentally to go for the throat and play to win

i think unconditional support of the manager is a ridiculous comment. He's not infallible. He's not a City legend who can do no wrong. He's a man we put a lot of faith in, and i hope upon hope that he wins us the league.

there are a lot of "very good to almost-great" managers in world football, and i think Mancini is in danger of ensuring that he's enshrined at that level forever unless he pulls his finger out, and works to join the ranks of the small and elite crew of truly world-class managers who are currently operating in world football. Clearly, we need that manager and i'd rather him build his reputation here with us and for us than "buying" that manager a la Jose, but...we need that manager. That manager doesn't lose the league this season.

There is still time.

cheers

I understand what you are saying, but can you honestly give me the name of a manager that will GUARANTEE success..if you can, then I will stand corrected. I am simply saying that our emotions are driving this debate and not only is it divisive amongst our fan base, it is ultimately divisive towards the general well being of our club at this juncture...I dont see the point in systematically undermining our boss and club at this important time.

[mir.sad]

I'm totally convinced he will sacrifice the game.

What, you mean he'll rotate the team, play players who aren't good enough, have some bizarre formation where you can't really work out what they're supposed to be doing, leave the best players on the bench etc? Or were you talking about the Europa game?

Pantymelons and Savic will play against Sporting. Nuff said.

Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

[Nigels Tackle]

I suspect what's going on here is nothing compared to italy.

We lost to the rags - all the discussion was the sending off and Shrek's actions

We lost to Liverpool - all the talk was about the Gerrard bust up.

In both cases there should have been discussion about poor performances from a number of players, but all the discussion was deflected to where Machiavelli, sorry Mancini, pointed it.

Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

oh dear

[trout man]

I suspect what's going on here is nothing compared to italy.

We lost to the rags - all the discussion was the sending off and Shrek's actions

We lost to Liverpool - all the talk was about the Gerrard bust up.

In both cases there should have been discussion about poor performances from a number of players, but all the discussion was deflected to where Machiavelli, sorry Mancini, pointed it.

Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

oh dear

Oh dear... sums it up

[Swales4ever]

On Sunday Supplement they were saying that United should give up on the Europa and concentrate on the league (funny how they come out with that when they are need to win by 2 goals away from home). How many times have you heard that said about United, give up a cup for the league? That just said to me how desperate the media are for United to win it, and us to not.

Mancini is public enemy number 1 as the face of our establishment and is treated accordingly by the press. Maybe this pressure will actually start to tell on United and due to their arse-wipe reporters wanting it so much they are now inadvertently saying that their team is not good enough to do both. Should we follow suit and concentrate on the league, I'm not sure.

Top post, very much spot on.
What I really don't get of the overall feeling of the fanbase is this "we are now the underdog in the league" bullox.
ok we had a couple of underpar performances, and fairly we also have a couple of key players not up to their sparkling best, but City are still the best English side, togetherness is allaround a team which oozes desire and hunger of trophies, the environment outside our camp have created the perfect scenario for the siege effect and most important we still have all in our hand: the Rags are a widely inferior side which have to pay a visit to the Ethiad fortress.
I have no doubt we shall cruise over Chelsky and then, if we happen to pass through the Pulis' bogey team, I will have no fear whatsoever to bet up to the last penny on the title.

[freshie]

Is he about to crack?

With everything that's been going on, refereeing decisions, a few losses, Gerard's tunnel altercation, not doing the press conference etc, it's being reported that Mancini is circumbing to the pressures of being at the top. For me, this is not the case only that Mancini is getting annoyed at what has been going on of late.

So, what are your views. Are the media trying to make something out of nothing or is there something behind it?

Mancini eat shit. Dzeko deserves to be standard in the team. such a player must play every match. baloteli is good, but he is not serious, and statistics show that the most valuable player Edin.

CAN WE PLEASE BAN THIS CUNT???!!!!!

[Chinners]

On Sunday Supplement they were saying that United should give up on the Europa and concentrate on the league (funny how they come out with that when they are need to win by 2 goals away from home). How many times have you heard that said about United, give up a cup for the league? That just said to me how desperate the media are for United to win it, and us to not.

Mancini is public enemy number 1 as the face of our establishment and is treated accordingly by the press. Maybe this pressure will actually start to tell on United and due to their arse-wipe reporters wanting it so much they are now inadvertently saying that their team is not good enough to do both. Should we follow suit and concentrate on the league, I'm not sure.

Whilst I sympathise and to a degee conceed to the right honarable gentleman, personally I reckon (with regards to para 1) that that is just more mind game bollox. Whilst the league is theres (and our) priority, we know they are a bastid for any double pot chance and are more than capable of trying to pull it off and whilst we are still in that, it means alot to them. They will have Scholes and Giggs for the next leg (so the media can have another 'moment' with the kleenex) and can see a 2-0 win. The media, whilst spouting about Bacon/Manu mindplay have fallen for a lame suckerpunch and are duly being played now they are top, and doing their bidding ... it's almost election type propagander!

(with regards to para 2) I don't think Mancini is enemy number 1, in fact of all the shite I've read and had said to me off mates, people in the street etc about our cash, in the main they quite like Mancini, he's not bad at the mindbollox himself tbh. So summise ... yes, we should go for both as they undoubtedly will and their line up in the return will bear this out ....