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[Blue Since 76]

If you're going to compare antics such as not hugging with pre-winning scum, also compare "petulant acts" from the same era too. The fact is that success bring respect. When we are beating teams 4-0, all the players love Bob. When we tie Sunderland at home the players hate Bob, themselves, and everything around them (and rightfully so). It's the attitude of a group who demand success.

But as I was talking about above, the key for sustainable success is for all the players to know a common system and react instantaneously in the game as a single team. Roberto has laid the foundation for the system, has established himself as the authoritative figure above any player, and has helped City to play some of the best football in recent memory. Too much blame on Bob, too little on the actual players on the field.

Not sure what petulant acts there were from the rags after a couple of seasons. May have been initially from the drunks but once they were gone, I don't recall anything, but I try not to pay them too much notice.

Not sure about the authority - Mario tries to undermine it on a regular basis and having to bring Tevez back hasn't strengthen his standing.

[Cocacolajojo1]

But i dont hink anyone is advocating mancini be sacked right now are they.

I think most posters realise we have a decent manager but that he does have limitations, and that change without a definate better option in the wings would not be a good thing. But it still doesnt mean though that we have to be uncritical of challenges he has clearly failed to adapt to.

I dont like him because i think he is a bottler - with a proven track record for us of being a bottler......anyone remember the united game in 2010? He is reverting back to that now with his selections and tactics, because he faces a problem he oesnt know how to deal with.

For me, the position wih mancini is not hat he should be sacked forthwith, but hat there has to be a realistic view that all the options have to be on the table regarding his future

Just a question out of curiosity mate: Are you a Barca fan as well or is your avatar part of your disguise?

[bigblue]

But i dont hink anyone is advocating mancini be sacked right now are they.

I think most posters realise we have a decent manager but that he does have limitations, and that change without a definate better option in the wings would not be a good thing. But it still doesnt mean though that we have to be uncritical of challenges he has clearly failed to adapt to.

I dont like him because i think he is a bottler - with a proven track record for us of being a bottler......anyone remember the united game in 2010? He is reverting back to that now with his selections and tactics, because he faces a problem he oesnt know how to deal with.

For me, the position wih mancini is not hat he should be sacked forthwith, but hat there has to be a realistic view that all the options have to be on the table regarding his future

Some people on here are defiantly calling for him to be sacked at the end of the season. But what you wrote there was well put (except for calling Mancini a bottler! Look at his record) and without the reactionary, media influenced garbage that more of our fans seem to be adopting - like this:

Not sure about the authority - Mario tries to undermine it on a regular basis and having to bring Tevez back hasn't strengthen his standing.

[zuricity]

But i dont hink anyone is advocating mancini be sacked right now are they.

I think most posters realise we have a decent manager but that he does have limitations, and that change without a definate better option in the wings would not be a good thing. But it still doesnt mean though that we have to be uncritical of challenges he has clearly failed to adapt to.

I dont like him because i think he is a bottler - with a proven track record for us of being a bottler......anyone remember the united game in 2010? He is reverting back to that now with his selections and tactics, because he faces a problem he oesnt know how to deal with.

For me, the position wih mancini is not hat he should be sacked forthwith, but hat there has to be a realistic view that all the options have to be on the table regarding his future

Some people on here are defiantly calling for him to be sacked at the end of the season. But what you wrote there was well put (except for calling Mancini a bottler! Look at his record) and without the reactionary, media influenced garbage that more of our fans seem to be adopting - like this:

Not sure about the authority - Mario tries to undermine it on a regular basis and having to bring Tevez back hasn't strengthen his standing.

You have just saved me having to pick that one out too. Where does Mario undermine his boss? , by continuously getting ridiculous yellow cards from crap referees. Sod all mario can do about the Liverpool elbow or the media hunt after apparently standing on Parker. He can however be a little bit more concerned about his effort and overall play, but i wouldn't call that undermining Mancini, not the underhand and stupid way Tevez did.

[Im_Spartacus]

You have just saved me having to pick that one out too. Where does Mario undermine his boss? , by continuously getting ridiculous yellow cards from crap referees. Sod all mario can do about the Liverpool elbow or the media hunt after apparently standing on Parker. He can however be a little bit more concerned about his effort and overall play, but i wouldn't call that undermining Mancini, not the underhand and stupid way Tevez did.

I dont think mario undermines him, but think Mario just puts bobby in a difficult bind at times and lets bobby down too often. He rarely repays the exceptional faith he is shown by his manager, which is a shame, because if he loses mancini, he is gonna be fucked, because nobody else will put up with the circus.

[DoomMerchant]

You have just saved me having to pick that one out too. Where does Mario undermine his boss? , by continuously getting ridiculous yellow cards from crap referees. Sod all mario can do about the Liverpool elbow or the media hunt after apparently standing on Parker. He can however be a little bit more concerned about his effort and overall play, but i wouldn't call that undermining Mancini, not the underhand and stupid way Tevez did.

I dont think mario undermines him, but think Mario just puts bobby in a difficult bind at times and lets bobby down too often. He rarely repays the exceptional faith he is shown by his manager, which is a shame, because if he loses mancini, he is gonna be fucked, because nobody else will put up with the circus.

but, are you a Barca fan?

cheers

[Im_Spartacus]

but, are you a Barca fan?

cheers

Usually only around the last weekend in may

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

My apologies Doomie Mate but maybe it's my cynicism.
I think it ironic that there were those who wanted Hughes out, got Hughes out.
WE ARE NO FURTHER ON.

Now some are preparing battle lines to get rid of Mancini and will probably succeed and be happy as fuck.
My gut feeling says in another 2 years time the roundabout will have turned full circle AND WE'LL BE NO FURTHER ON... again.

Maybe Piccs has a banner that just says "OUT" and has a a velcro fastener to stick the current victims name on.

Now now John. I WASN'T in the Hughes out brigade. As a general rule I support the notion of long term stability, and like you I believe changing managers constantly, is damaging.
But... I have never been convinced by Mancini and believe that come the big moment he will always shit out.
First revealed when we needed a win at Arsenal in our quest for Champions League football and we got to play against a weakened side. And even though a point still left us behind Spurs, he set up with just one striker and played for that very same 'useless' point. No surprise that ultimately we missed our target. It was his fault.
We played the sort of football I want to see this season, up until the Chelsea defeat. Since then he has disappeared back into his shell. Reverted to his natural negative instincts. And yet we look best when we attack. It's clear for all to see. But Mancini can't help himself. This half arsed away form is his fault.
So yes, stability is a wonderful thing, but don't just stick with somebody for the sake of saying we have it.
I like Bob, I want him to succeed, I was happy to shown that he could preside over attacking winning football. But ultimately he has fucked it up with his natural penchant for a defensive negative style. I just think he always will.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

My apologies Doomie Mate but maybe it's my cynicism.
I think it ironic that there were those who wanted Hughes out, got Hughes out.
WE ARE NO FURTHER ON.

Now some are preparing battle lines to get rid of Mancini and will probably succeed and be happy as fuck.
My gut feeling says in another 2 years time the roundabout will have turned full circle AND WE'LL BE NO FURTHER ON... again.

Maybe Piccs has a banner that just says "OUT" and has a a velcro fastener to stick the current victims name on.

Now now John. I WASN'T in the Hughes out brigade. As a general rule I support the notion of long term stability, and like you I believe changing managers constantly, is damaging.
But... I have never been convinced by Mancini and believe that come the big moment he will always shit out.
First revealed when we needed a win at Arsenal in our quest for Champions League football and we got to play against a weakened side. And even though a point still left us behind Spurs, he set up with just one striker and played for that very same 'useless' point. No surprise that ultimately we missed our target. It was his fault.
We played the sort of football I want to see this season, up until the Chelsea defeat. Since then he has disappeared back into his shell. Reverted to his natural negative instincts. And yet we look best when we attack. It's clear for all to see. But Mancini can't help himself. This half arsed away form is his fault.
So yes, stability is a wonderful thing, but don't just stick with somebody for the sake of saying we have it.
I like Bob, I want him to succeed, I was happy to shown that he could preside over attacking winning football. But ultimately he has fucked it up with his natural penchant for a defensive negative style. I just think he always will.

Fact that you WEREN'T in Hughes out brigade and now are leader of the pack for Mancini out posse really tells all there is to know.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

My apologies Doomie Mate but maybe it's my cynicism.
I think it ironic that there were those who wanted Hughes out, got Hughes out.
WE ARE NO FURTHER ON.

Now some are preparing battle lines to get rid of Mancini and will probably succeed and be happy as fuck.
My gut feeling says in another 2 years time the roundabout will have turned full circle AND WE'LL BE NO FURTHER ON... again.

Maybe Piccs has a banner that just says "OUT" and has a a velcro fastener to stick the current victims name on.

Now now John. I WASN'T in the Hughes out brigade. As a general rule I support the notion of long term stability, and like you I believe changing managers constantly, is damaging.
But... I have never been convinced by Mancini and believe that come the big moment he will always shit out.
First revealed when we needed a win at Arsenal in our quest for Champions League football and we got to play against a weakened side. And even though a point still left us behind Spurs, he set up with just one striker and played for that very same 'useless' point. No surprise that ultimately we missed our target. It was his fault.
We played the sort of football I want to see this season, up until the Chelsea defeat. Since then he has disappeared back into his shell. Reverted to his natural negative instincts. And yet we look best when we attack. It's clear for all to see. But Mancini can't help himself. This half arsed away form is his fault.
So yes, stability is a wonderful thing, but don't just stick with somebody for the sake of saying we have it.
I like Bob, I want him to succeed, I was happy to shown that he could preside over attacking winning football. But ultimately he has fucked it up with his natural penchant for a defensive negative style. I just think he always will.

Fact that you WEREN'T in Hughes out brigade and now are leader of the pack for Mancini out posse really tells all there is to know.

What pack? What is that meant to mean?
I post my own views regardless.
Incidentally, there are a lot of people at the games who are becoming as frustrated with Mancini. He will come under pressure very soon.

[Swales4ever]

My apologies Doomie Mate but maybe it's my cynicism.
I think it ironic that there were those who wanted Hughes out, got Hughes out.
WE ARE NO FURTHER ON.

Now some are preparing battle lines to get rid of Mancini and will probably succeed and be happy as fuck.
My gut feeling says in another 2 years time the roundabout will have turned full circle AND WE'LL BE NO FURTHER ON... again.

Maybe Piccs has a banner that just says "OUT" and has a a velcro fastener to stick the current victims name on.

Now now John. I WASN'T in the Hughes out brigade. As a general rule I support the notion of long term stability, and like you I believe changing managers constantly, is damaging.
But... I have never been convinced by Mancini and believe that come the big moment he will always shit out.
First revealed when we needed a win at Arsenal in our quest for Champions League football and we got to play against a weakened side. And even though a point still left us behind Spurs, he set up with just one striker and played for that very same 'useless' point. No surprise that ultimately we missed our target. It was his fault.
We played the sort of football I want to see this season, up until the Chelsea defeat. Since then he has disappeared back into his shell. Reverted to his natural negative instincts. And yet we look best when we attack. It's clear for all to see. But Mancini can't help himself. This half arsed away form is his fault.
So yes, stability is a wonderful thing, but don't just stick with somebody for the sake of saying we have it.
I like Bob, I want him to succeed, I was happy to shown that he could preside over attacking winning football. But ultimately he has fucked it up with his natural penchant for a defensive negative style. I just think he always will.

Fact that you WEREN'T in Hughes out brigade and now are leader of the pack for Mancini out posse really tells all there is to know.

What pack? What is that meant to mean?
I post my own views regardless.
Incidentally, there are a lot of people at the games who are becoming as frustrated with Mancini. He will come under pressure very soon.

and that pretty much sums it up the genuine support EVERY single City manager got since Big Mal. Custumers have own rights, freedom of speech and that all... but everyone who is interested to undermine the City camp had, is and always will find fertile ground to hoe....
I could have conceded some room to mean minds used to sip from tabloids when the unknown italian arrived (even if I actually found it hard), but all this anxiety to tick time for the manager to come under pressure and spread aggroes amongst Blues says all about how difficult is the job of delivering success to MCFC.

I'm not deeming to throw any harm or offence to you personally, but I really wish all the Blues may sit down and reflect just a while: every one has is personal ideas and desire and there will never be a man who owns 100% confidence from the whole Fans and untill this attitude won't change the task shall always be triple hard for every manager, bar none.

[kinkylola]

My apologies Doomie Mate but maybe it's my cynicism.
I think it ironic that there were those who wanted Hughes out, got Hughes out.
WE ARE NO FURTHER ON.

Now some are preparing battle lines to get rid of Mancini and will probably succeed and be happy as fuck.
My gut feeling says in another 2 years time the roundabout will have turned full circle AND WE'LL BE NO FURTHER ON... again.

Maybe Piccs has a banner that just says "OUT" and has a a velcro fastener to stick the current victims name on.

Now now John. I WASN'T in the Hughes out brigade. As a general rule I support the notion of long term stability, and like you I believe changing managers constantly, is damaging.
But... I have never been convinced by Mancini and believe that come the big moment he will always shit out.
First revealed when we needed a win at Arsenal in our quest for Champions League football and we got to play against a weakened side. And even though a point still left us behind Spurs, he set up with just one striker and played for that very same 'useless' point. No surprise that ultimately we missed our target. It was his fault.
We played the sort of football I want to see this season, up until the Chelsea defeat. Since then he has disappeared back into his shell. Reverted to his natural negative instincts. And yet we look best when we attack. It's clear for all to see. But Mancini can't help himself. This half arsed away form is his fault.
So yes, stability is a wonderful thing, but don't just stick with somebody for the sake of saying we have it.
I like Bob, I want him to succeed, I was happy to shown that he could preside over attacking winning football. But ultimately he has fucked it up with his natural penchant for a defensive negative style. I just think he always will.

Fact that you WEREN'T in Hughes out brigade and now are leader of the pack for Mancini out posse really tells all there is to know.

What pack? What is that meant to mean?
I post my own views regardless.
Incidentally, there are a lot of people at the games who are becoming as frustrated with Mancini. He will come under pressure very soon.

he may very well come under pressure from fickle fans like yourself and others around here.

It reeks of entitlement, and is generally just classless. Unless I missed something, we don't have a right to win anything, and if it's too hard for you to see that tactically Mancini is eons ahead of anything Hughes could dream up, you are mad. What it takes to win a title is melding of tactics, player performance .. and some fucking luck too. We will finish at least 2nd this year. Next year we will be more experienced in tight situations. The club will be more prepared, the players and the manager too. And our luck definitely could not be worse than this year.

You didn't want Hughes out, you also didn't think Mancini had what it takes to become our manager... You support long term stability but want Mancini out. holy christ.

[Im_Spartacus]

he may very well come under pressure from fickle fans like yourself and others around here.

It reeks of entitlement, and is generally just classless. Unless I missed something, we don't have a right to win anything, and if it's too hard for you to see that tactically Mancini is eons ahead of anything Hughes could dream up, you are mad. What it takes to win a title is melding of tactics, player performance .. and some fucking luck too. We will finish at least 2nd this year. Next year we will be more experienced in tight situations. The club will be more prepared, the players and the manager too. And our luck definitely could not be worse than this year.

You didn't want Hughes out, you also didn't think Mancini had what it takes to become our manager... You support long term stability but want Mancini out. holy christ.

Here we go again, that word "fickle", attacking the individual, not his opinions. Pathetic.

Piccs has stated his case very clearly, and as i have done earlier n the thread, pointed to the games at the back end of the 2010 season when, and there is no other way to describe it, Mancini's arse went. Just as it has done these last few months - either unable, or unwilling to rise to the challenge set of him by the opposition.

You talk about it being "too hard" to see that mancini is light years ahead of hughes tactically, yet here we are, with the same dreadful away form, and idiotic tactics at home. You can point to our fantastic home form over the year, but is it not therefore a worrying trend having had to come from behind in our last 3 home games.

So can you truly tell me you are not worried about mancini's ability to handle difficulties? Can you tell me, that if Mancini is here in another year or two years that he will definately be the one to build a dynasty?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

My apologies Doomie Mate but maybe it's my cynicism.
I think it ironic that there were those who wanted Hughes out, got Hughes out.
WE ARE NO FURTHER ON.

Now some are preparing battle lines to get rid of Mancini and will probably succeed and be happy as fuck.
My gut feeling says in another 2 years time the roundabout will have turned full circle AND WE'LL BE NO FURTHER ON... again.

Maybe Piccs has a banner that just says "OUT" and has a a velcro fastener to stick the current victims name on.

Now now John. I WASN'T in the Hughes out brigade. As a general rule I support the notion of long term stability, and like you I believe changing managers constantly, is damaging.
But... I have never been convinced by Mancini and believe that come the big moment he will always shit out.
First revealed when we needed a win at Arsenal in our quest for Champions League football and we got to play against a weakened side. And even though a point still left us behind Spurs, he set up with just one striker and played for that very same 'useless' point. No surprise that ultimately we missed our target. It was his fault.
We played the sort of football I want to see this season, up until the Chelsea defeat. Since then he has disappeared back into his shell. Reverted to his natural negative instincts. And yet we look best when we attack. It's clear for all to see. But Mancini can't help himself. This half arsed away form is his fault.
So yes, stability is a wonderful thing, but don't just stick with somebody for the sake of saying we have it.
I like Bob, I want him to succeed, I was happy to shown that he could preside over attacking winning football. But ultimately he has fucked it up with his natural penchant for a defensive negative style. I just think he always will.

Fact that you WEREN'T in Hughes out brigade and now are leader of the pack for Mancini out posse really tells all there is to know.

What pack? What is that meant to mean?
I post my own views regardless.
Incidentally, there are a lot of people at the games who are becoming as frustrated with Mancini. He will come under pressure very soon.

The wolf pack on Mancini's tails. Made of these "people at the games".

Also the famous "people at the games" or even better "lot of people sitting around me" is aimed at some sort of argument bodyslam towards people who for one reason or another don't go to games. Could it be that there are people in the stands who have just as varying opinions as we have here? Some love Mancini (at least many away supporters who still sing his name), some don't like him, some will trust blindly whatever club do, some are always sceptical and so on and so on. As if there's some group of people called "regulars" who share a brain.

[Beefymcfc]

I don't hear anybody around me calling for Mancini's head and there are quite a few miserable cunts up there.

[Cocacolajojo1]

but, are you a Barca fan?

cheers

Usually only around the last weekend in may

Alright then. It did seem like a strange combination.

[Im_Spartacus]

I don't hear anybody around me calling for Mancini's head and there are quite a few miserable cunts up there.

So obviously because you dont hear it, everyone in your block feels things are all tickety boo? I vry much doubt that mate, but at 2nd in the league you would look a cunt singing sack the board etc. but 2nd in the league doesnt mask the problems or tell the full story does it

Message boards like these, where people can sound off with a reasoned argument rather than just screaming "mancini you fucking cunt" at the ground which helps nobody are where dissent begins.

Opinion ferments on message boards, and if the issues remain unresolved, or worse, deteriorate, then the likelihood is that the dissenting voices on the message boards become openly dissenting voices in the ground, and the stone begins to gather moss.

Mancini has come back from worse than this before, lets hope he does again.

[Ted Hughes]

So who is replacing Mancini then ?

Those who want him out: give a credible alternative choice that makes it worthwhile sacking our present manager & all his staff, paying off their compensation etc & bringing in a new bloke plus all his staff onto the wage bill.

Which manager, can you guarantee would have us in a better position right now. Gives us the name & prove it or shut the fuck up.

[Im_Spartacus]

So who is replacing Mancini then ?

Those who want him out: give a credible alternative choice that makes it worthwhile sacking our present manager & all his staff, paying off their compensation etc & bringing in a new bloke plus all his staff onto the wage bill.

Which manager, can you guarantee would have us in a better position right now. Gives us the name & prove it or shut the fuck up.

You prove that sacking him wouldnt be the right thing. Yes, your words, prove it, prove that he is the right man to lead us. Id like to know what you consider is proof?

And you know as well as i do that there is a a manager who guarantees to put s in a better position than right now.

[PeterParker]

So who is replacing Mancini then ?

Those who want him out: give a credible alternative choice that makes it worthwhile sacking our present manager & all his staff, paying off their compensation etc & bringing in a new bloke plus all his staff onto the wage bill.

Which manager, can you guarantee would have us in a better position right now. Gives us the name & prove it or shut the fuck up.

If you ask me, he still has problems knowing the league. I think with all that happend this season, he will learn how to handle title situation, if the board will trust him and give him another season he will deliver, but this might be a tricky thing. If they decide to give Bob a last year, to win the league, the next season and things won't work the way we want to (slow start, mediocre performances) we can have a situation like we had with Hughes, a sacking in the middle of the season.

If i was the sheik, fist of all if will talk individualy with every player and ask him about Bob. If there are a lot of players who want him out, then i will make my decision.

So a replacement for Bob? Obvious Maurin, but if he guarantees me that he won't leave after 2 years, those words to be put in the contract and only if he is available and ONLY if the squad doesn't trust Bobby anymore.

And, you can call me soft, but i would like to see O'Neill. He has done the job everywhere he was, i would like to see him if he has what it takes to lead us.

But still, Bobby remains number one. The only problem is that he needs to get a grip.