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[Beefymcfc]

I don't hear anybody around me calling for Mancini's head and there are quite a few miserable cunts up there.

So obviously because you dont hear it, everyone in your block feels things are all tickety boo? I vry much doubt that mate, but at 2nd in the league you would look a cunt singing sack the board etc. but 2nd in the league doesnt mask the problems or tell the full story does it

Message boards like these, where people can sound off with a reasoned argument rather than just screaming "mancini you fucking cunt" at the ground which helps nobody are where dissent begins.

Opinion ferments on message boards, and if the issues remain unresolved, or worse, deteriorate, then the likelihood is that the dissenting voices on the message boards become openly dissenting voices in the ground, and the stone begins to gather moss.

Mancini has come back from worse than this before, lets hope he does again.

I understand the dissenting minority and also how things work. The point I was making is that it's not everywhere and it depends where you are located. Where I am now (last 4 years after move from SS) there seems to be more of a football minded crowd who, although they don't mind singing and shouting, like to see the football on offer and you've got to say that the football, at home especially, has been more than good this season. Don't get me wrong, they whinge and moan like good'ens but never at the manager. The may have a similar view to myself that once the players cross that white-line then it's down to them.

Yet, take the singing section or the SS who, every game, sing the Mancini song. Where was that on Saturday; nowhere to be heard. These lads and lasses purport to be the heart and soul of the club but during a bad spell decide that the club don't need that type of support, as if they'd been personally slapped in the face by Mancini. I've no problems with it but it does say a lot about how fans can turn once expectations are raised, especially in the heat of the moment.

[Ted Hughes]

So who is replacing Mancini then ?

Those who want him out: give a credible alternative choice that makes it worthwhile sacking our present manager & all his staff, paying off their compensation etc & bringing in a new bloke plus all his staff onto the wage bill.

Which manager, can you guarantee would have us in a better position right now. Gives us the name & prove it or shut the fuck up.

You prove that sacking him wouldnt be the right thing. Yes, your words, prove it, prove that he is the right man to lead us. Id like to know what you consider is proof?

And you know as well as i do that there is a a manager who guarantees to put s in a better position than right now.

I don't have to prove anything. We have a manager, we are going to finish in the top two, possibly with enough points to win the title on an average year, & it's the first season Aguero, Nasri etc have played at the club. If we're going to sack the bloke, we don't do it on the fucking off chance that Joe Bloggs MAY do better because we're a bunch of spoilt fucking kids chucking our toys out of the pram & "ohh I'm sick of Mancini wiv is negativvvittty n wotnot ", we do it with a genuine belief that the person replacing him is going to improve on what he's doing. Otherwise WE LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Oh yes and Mourinho's coming isn't he. My arse.

So what about everbody else ? Are we basically going to slag off our manager & put pressure on the board to sack him because we believe the fucking bullshit being put out by Mourinho's PR department to keep him in the spotlight ?

Please tell me that's not what these anti Mancini squad are basing it all on. Please tell me they have another manager in mind who we can realistically bring in & an intelligent argument as to why we should do it, as opposed to a pie in the sky 'lets get Jose' plan.

[Im_Spartacus]

I don't have to prove anything. We have a manager, we are going to finish in the top two, possibly with enough points to win the title on an average year, & it's the first season Aguero, Nasri etc have played at the club. If we're going to sack the bloke, we don't do it on the fucking off chance that Joe Bloggs MAY do better because we're a bunch of spoilt fucking kids chucking our toys out of the pram & "ohh I'm sick of Mancini wiv is negativvvittty n wotnot ", we do it with a genuine belief that the person replacing him is going to improve on what he's doing. Otherwise WE LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Oh yes and Mourinho's coming isn't he. My arse.

So what about everbody else ? Are we basically going to slag off our manager & put pressure on the board to sack him because we believe the fucking bullshit being put out by Mourinho's PR department to keep him in the spotlight ?

Please tell me that's not what these anti Mancini squad are basing it all on. Please tell me they have another manager in mind who we can realistically bring in & an intelligent argument as to why we should do it, as opposed to a pie in the sky 'lets get Jose' plan.

Benitez is unemployed still isnt he?

[Ted Hughes]

I don't have to prove anything. We have a manager, we are going to finish in the top two, possibly with enough points to win the title on an average year, & it's the first season Aguero, Nasri etc have played at the club. If we're going to sack the bloke, we don't do it on the fucking off chance that Joe Bloggs MAY do better because we're a bunch of spoilt fucking kids chucking our toys out of the pram & "ohh I'm sick of Mancini wiv is negativvvittty n wotnot ", we do it with a genuine belief that the person replacing him is going to improve on what he's doing. Otherwise WE LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Oh yes and Mourinho's coming isn't he. My arse.

So what about everbody else ? Are we basically going to slag off our manager & put pressure on the board to sack him because we believe the fucking bullshit being put out by Mourinho's PR department to keep him in the spotlight ?

Please tell me that's not what these anti Mancini squad are basing it all on. Please tell me they have another manager in mind who we can realistically bring in & an intelligent argument as to why we should do it, as opposed to a pie in the sky 'lets get Jose' plan.

Benitez is unemployed still isnt he?

Exactly.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I don't have to prove anything. We have a manager, we are going to finish in the top two, possibly with enough points to win the title on an average year, & it's the first season Aguero, Nasri etc have played at the club. If we're going to sack the bloke, we don't do it on the fucking off chance that Joe Bloggs MAY do better because we're a bunch of spoilt fucking kids chucking our toys out of the pram & "ohh I'm sick of Mancini wiv is negativvvittty n wotnot ", we do it with a genuine belief that the person replacing him is going to improve on what he's doing. Otherwise WE LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Oh yes and Mourinho's coming isn't he. My arse.

So what about everbody else ? Are we basically going to slag off our manager & put pressure on the board to sack him because we believe the fucking bullshit being put out by Mourinho's PR department to keep him in the spotlight ?

Please tell me that's not what these anti Mancini squad are basing it all on. Please tell me they have another manager in mind who we can realistically bring in & an intelligent argument as to why we should do it, as opposed to a pie in the sky 'lets get Jose' plan.

Benitez is unemployed still isnt he?

In the aftermath of their Champion's League triumph I said to my Scousepool supporting mate that they'd NEVER win league under Benitez because he simply isn't cut out for league football. He nearly died of laughter.

Edit. also, was it you that hinted that Mancini had been tinkering? And then you say Benitez?!?!?!

[lets all have a disco]

NQDP you stated to a Scouser they would never win the league with Rafa,YES?
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They didnt.

Can you be as bold to make another statement and tell us whether we will or wont win the league with Roberto at the helm?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

NQDP you stated to a Scouser they would never win the league with Rafa,YES?
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They didnt.

Can you be as bold to make another statement and tell us whether we will or wont win the league with Roberto at the helm?

Given time, I'm pretty sure he will. There it is. I have seen us capable of mounting title winning kind of form and with bit of luck on our side regarding injuries and suspensions and schedule (those away games right after CL group games wore us out more than people think) I feel he can do it next season. Season after that at very latest.

Remember mate, you took the piss out of me for calling him (potentially) our Wenger. He has definitely made strides towards building team like that for years to come throughout his time with us.

[Im_Spartacus]

In the aftermath of their Champion's League triumph I said to my Scousepool supporting mate that they'd NEVER win league under Benitez because he simply isn't cut out for league football. He nearly died of laughter.

Edit. also, was it you that hinted that Mancini had been tinkering? And then you say Benitez?!?!?!

No i dont so much have an issue with rotation of the likes of clichy, kolarov, zabba, richards. But the lack of rotation in other areas is a frustration (dave). But then nasri has started something like 30 games, but doesnt seem to have ever started more than 2 consecutive games

And yes, i was fishing with benitez, sorry

[Ted Hughes]

I have plenty of issues with Mancini's decisions including the rotation but I'd have just as many with Ferguson if he was in charge.

Managers get stuff wrong and often the fans can see it. They also get stuff right which the fans didn't see but people tend not to mention those bits.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I have plenty of issues with Mancini's decisions including the rotation but I'd have just as many with Ferguson if he was in charge.

Managers get stuff wrong and often the fans can see it. They also get stuff right which the fans didn't see but people tend not to mention those bits.

Ted - why does Mancini continue making the same fuckign mistakes?
When will the penny drop?

[Ted Hughes]

I have plenty of issues with Mancini's decisions including the rotation but I'd have just as many with Ferguson if he was in charge.

Managers get stuff wrong and often the fans can see it. They also get stuff right which the fans didn't see but people tend not to mention those bits.

Ted - why does Mancini continue making the same fuckign mistakes?
When will the penny drop?

I don't know mate.

It seems to take him a while but he does seem to get there eventually. When he played Boateng & Boyata together v Arsenal last season, I thought it was close to a sackable offence, & he continued experimenting with them but where are they now ?

It baffles me but I remember Ferguson kept playing Ralph Milne & Mal Donaghy. All the rags knew they were shite but it took him ages to realise it.

Managers do this. If Mourinho turns up tomorrow & stays for ten years, there'll be some years where we come 2nd or 3rd & people will be saying "why the fuck is he..." they were doing exactly that on the radio before he went.

They sometimes can't see the wood for the trees.

[DoomMerchant]

I have plenty of issues with Mancini's decisions including the rotation but I'd have just as many with Ferguson if he was in charge.

Managers get stuff wrong and often the fans can see it. They also get stuff right which the fans didn't see but people tend not to mention those bits.

Ted - why does Mancini continue making the same fuckign mistakes?
When will the penny drop?

I don't know mate.

It seems to take him a while but he does seem to get there eventually. When he played Boateng & Boyata together v Arsenal last season, I thought it was close to a sackable offence, & he continued experimenting with them but where are they now ?

It baffles me but I remember Ferguson kept playing Ralph Milne & Mal Donaghy. All the rags knew they were shite but it took him ages to realise it.

Managers do this. If Mourinho turns up tomorrow & stays for ten years, there'll be some years where we come 2nd or 3rd & people will be saying "why the fuck is he..." they were doing exactly that on the radio before he went.

They sometimes can't see the wood for the trees.

here's what i want...i want a young, passionate, intelligent, artistic manager who will take this team on for the next decade...and win things.

We need to do what the Steelers in the NFL do, and find a coach they put all of their trust in when they are young, and back them without fail and let them coach for 15-20 years? The Rooneys are fantastic owners and have been for decades and decades. 3 coaches in the last 40 years. All three have some Super Bowl titles.

that's all i want. I want to know that the guy in charge has the stuff to run this club for a decade. And at the end of that decade...we're thought of as a global footballing powerhouse who will carry on for decades being at the top. I could live through the ups and downs...all clubs have to. If we weren't so close to the first league title in ages, and we'd won it last season or two seasons ago we wouldn't have this division of opinion i don't believe. But it's this first one...that unshackles us.

Can Mancini do it? i'm not sure. That's all i know. I hope to hell he can...he's our manager. But i'm not sure based on what i've seen that he can do it.

Does he deserve the change to have another crack at it? undoubtedly i suppose, unless the meltdown continues at the current pace, then questions have to be asked.

That was the point of creating this thread....i'm not trying to be divisive.

But to those who believe...what makes you believe he can win us the league one day? "it'll happen eventually" isn't really sufficient for me btw.

cheers

[Im_Spartacus]

here's what i want...i want a young, passionate, intelligent, artistic manager who will take this team on for the next decade...and win things.

We need to do what the Steelers in the NFL do, and find a coach they put all of their trust in when they are young, and back them without fail and let them coach for 15-20 years? The Rooneys are fantastic owners and have been for decades and decades. 3 coaches in the last 40 years. All three have some Super Bowl titles.

that's all i want. I want to know that the guy in charge has the stuff to run this club for a decade. And at the end of that decade...we're thought of as a global footballing powerhouse who will carry on for decades being at the top. I could live through the ups and downs...all clubs have to. If we weren't so close to the first league title in ages, and we'd won it last season or two seasons ago we wouldn't have this division of opinion i don't believe. But it's this first one...that unshackles us.

Can Mancini do it? i'm not sure. That's all i know. I hope to hell he can...he's our manager. But i'm not sure based on what i've seen that he can do it.

Does he deserve the change to have another crack at it? undoubtedly i suppose, unless the meltdown continues at the current pace, then questions have to be asked.

That was the point of creating this thread....i'm not trying to be divisive.

But to those who believe...what makes you believe he can win us the league one day? "it'll happen eventually" isn't really sufficient for me btw.

cheers

It cant happen in football in this day and age.

Over in the US, you have things like the draft to even things out. Over here, if you arent successful, you arent bringing the money and the best players go to your rivals.

The promised land of a manager managing for a generation does not happen in football. Not just in thus country, but across europe too. It is something all fans would like, just as they would like the next world superstar to come through the ranks, but it happens so rarely that it is not worth holding out for that hope, because you could go through 100 managers before you find the one that you just know, is definately the one. And even then you may have gotten it completely wrong.

Aside from bacon, the only other manager of note with a decent tenure is moyes. And he is there because everton know they are blessed to have him in the position they are in. For a top club, it is the precise opposite, the manager should be grateful for the opportunity, and realise that the time will come where he fails to meet the mark, and will be replaced.

Neither mancini, mourinho, biesla, hiddink etc will be that man. Real madrid and ac milan have managed just fine setting high standards for their managers, and moving them on when they fall short. They have had some good ones, and some awful ones, but their trophy count is higher than bacons over the same period.

We will never see the nirvana of the long term manager. Maybe its us, the fans who are the problem, but ultimately when someone falls short at a significant aspect of their job, and doesnt learn from it, as an employer you have to ask yourself whether that inability to learn will cost you again in the future.

[dick dastardley]

was the return of tevez that started the rot? or the month without yaya? or the misfring dzeko, or the sussing out of how to play against us?
im going for the last one, to which mancini has yet to find an answer!!!

[Michigan Blue]

was the return of tevez that started the rot? or the month without yaya? or the misfring dzeko, or the sussing out of how to play against us?
im going for the last one, to which mancini has yet to find an answer!!!

Despite the widely documented that we don't have an outlet on the wings, for me the spine of the team has been all wrong.

1.) Kompany - Has had a nightmare since at least the turn of the year. Whether through injury, suspension, or unconvincing performances, he has not been his imperious self and we have missed him.
2.) Lescott - More consistent, but now out for a crucial run of games.
3.) Yaya - Deployed too deep to start games recently, and only allowed to push forward when trying to change things up or chase a game. Would actually have liked to see last year's middle 3 of Yaya/Nige/Barry get a run of starts and allow Yaya to push forward from the start.
4.) Strikers - Only one player we can consistently rely upon (Aguero), and like Lescott he is now out when we need him most.
5.) Hart - Solid

[Florida Blue]

Staying on topic, where is Soccs?

[Beefymcfc]

was the return of tevez that started the rot? or the month without yaya? or the misfring dzeko, or the sussing out of how to play against us?
im going for the last one, to which mancini has yet to find an answer!!!

That's a bit limiting isn't it, what about the rest of the stuff that's gone on this season? Could you add Vinnie getting himself a four match ban; what about his injury, also Lescott's? What about Mario's missing games?

Others include decision making by officials. The booking's, like Barry in the Liverpool game where he was sent off while Charlie Adam kicked us off the pitch yet only got a talking to for his captain before being hauled off by Dalgliesh? Didn't he miss the next game which was ....... United in the cup? What about the offside goal for Sunderland or the strange decision, against Liverpool again, to give a pen in the CC when we went ahead? Or what about in the CL against Bayern when 2 clear-cut penalty decisions aren't given when we're all over them?

What about United's form and what about the non-penalty type decisions against Fulham, have these not had a say on the season? Please don't tell me about the Taggart line where they only get 3, no, 3.5 penalty's for them per season, the question is how many decisions other teams don't get against them.

There are many factors that have had an affect on our season and those above are just a few that I care to mention. Mancini may have his faults but to put an entire season of games down to one man just smacks of being short-sited and ignorant. And that's not a slight at you, just an overall opinion of what I'm reading more and more on this board.

[Im_Spartacus]

That's a bit limiting isn't it, what about the rest of the stuff that's gone on this season? Could you add Vinnie getting himself a four match ban; what about his injury, also Lescott's? What about Mario's missing games?

Others include decision making by officials. The booking's, like Barry in the Liverpool game where he was sent off while Charlie Adam kicked us off the pitch yet only got a talking to for his captain before being hauled off by Dalgliesh? Didn't he miss the next game which was ....... United in the cup? What about the offside goal for Sunderland or the strange decision, against Liverpool again, to give a pen in the CC when we went ahead? Or what about in the CL against Bayern when 2 clear-cut penalty decisions aren't given when we're all over them?

What about United's form and what about the non-penalty type decisions against Fulham, have these not had a say on the season? Please don't tell me about the Taggart line where they only get 3, no, 3.5 penalty's for them per season, the question is how many decisions other teams don't get against them.

There are many factors that have had an affect on our season and those above are just a few that I care to mention. Mancini may have his faults but to put an entire season of games down to one man just smacks of being short-sited and ignorant. And that's not a slight at you, just an overall opinion of what I'm reading more and more on this board.

So where you work, who is ultimately responsible for the success of your firm. Is it the chancellor who makes the rules for business, is it the competition who takes advantage of any means necessary to get a competetive edge, or is it the manager/director who steers the company's path through those challenges set of him?

Because of those things, there is only one thing a firm can influence - and football is the same

[Florida Blue]

was the return of tevez that started the rot? or the month without yaya? or the misfring dzeko, or the sussing out of how to play against us?
im going for the last one, to which mancini has yet to find an answer!!!

That's a bit limiting isn't it, what about the rest of the stuff that's gone on this season? Could you add Vinnie getting himself a four match ban; what about his injury, also Lescott's? What about Mario's missing games?

Others include decision making by officials. The booking's, like Barry in the Liverpool game where he was sent off while Charlie Adam kicked us off the pitch yet only got a talking to for his captain before being hauled off by Dalgliesh? Didn't he miss the next game which was ....... United in the cup? What about the offside goal for Sunderland or the strange decision, against Liverpool again, to give a pen in the CC when we went ahead? Or what about in the CL against Bayern when 2 clear-cut penalty decisions aren't given when we're all over them?

What about United's form and what about the non-penalty type decisions against Fulham, have these not had a say on the season? Please don't tell me about the Taggart line where they only get 3, no, 3.5 penalty's for them per season, the question is how many decisions other teams don't get against them.

There are many factors that have had an affect on our season and those above are just a few that I care to mention. Mancini may have his faults but to put an entire season of games down to one man just smacks of being short-sited and ignorant. And that's not a slight at you, just an overall opinion of what I'm reading more and more on this board.

Top rant beefy... and let's factor 1/2 of those out because it does happen to all teams at times, it still is very telling about how things are.

[Swales4ever]

Staying on topic, where is Soccs?

pissed off to avoid rifting with fellow Blues?