Where's Soccs?

[Beefymcfc]

That's a bit limiting isn't it, what about the rest of the stuff that's gone on this season? Could you add Vinnie getting himself a four match ban; what about his injury, also Lescott's? What about Mario's missing games?

Others include decision making by officials. The booking's, like Barry in the Liverpool game where he was sent off while Charlie Adam kicked us off the pitch yet only got a talking to for his captain before being hauled off by Dalgliesh? Didn't he miss the next game which was ....... United in the cup? What about the offside goal for Sunderland or the strange decision, against Liverpool again, to give a pen in the CC when we went ahead? Or what about in the CL against Bayern when 2 clear-cut penalty decisions aren't given when we're all over them?

What about United's form and what about the non-penalty type decisions against Fulham, have these not had a say on the season? Please don't tell me about the Taggart line where they only get 3, no, 3.5 penalty's for them per season, the question is how many decisions other teams don't get against them.

There are many factors that have had an affect on our season and those above are just a few that I care to mention. Mancini may have his faults but to put an entire season of games down to one man just smacks of being short-sited and ignorant. And that's not a slight at you, just an overall opinion of what I'm reading more and more on this board.

So where you work, who is ultimately responsible for the success of your firm. Is it the chancellor who makes the rules for business, is it the competition who takes advantage of any means necessary to get a competetive edge, or is it the manager/director who steers the company's path through those challenges set of him?

Because of those things, there is only one thing a firm can influence - and football is the same

As a business we aren't doing to bad and have invested well for now and the future. However, you cannot equate what goes on, on the football pitch in the terms I mention to a normal business. On the pitch you have to rely on the players to do the job and when incidents take some of your best players away then you cannot function at the same pace. Yes, similar to any other business but in those terms you have the way-with-all to bring in a suitable replacement on tap, rather than await return from fitness or punishment.

Bad analogy..

[Ted Hughes]

Staying on topic, where is Soccs?

Isin socc drawer man.

[Im_Spartacus]

As a business we aren't doing to bad and have invested well for now and the future. However, you cannot equate what goes on, on the football pitch in the terms I mention to a normal business. On the pitch you have to rely on the players to do the job and when incidents take some of your best players away then you cannot function at the same pace. Yes, similar to any other business but in those terms you have the way-with-all to bring in a suitable replacement on tap, rather than await return from fitness or punishment.

Bad analogy..

Do you work in the civil service, because all i hear is excuses, not answers.

The manager of my sales team is to me, more important than any bean counter or techie, because without the sales team there is no business. As a result, realistic objectives are set and agreed each year, and adjusted quarterly dependant upon outside influences and prior performance.

It makes no difference if someone is off sick, It is the managers art to get the extra out of those who remain.

It makes no difference if a competitor has a competetive advantage, we manage that advantage by setting a strategy which helps us to punch above our weight.

It makes no difference if the sales manager wants to blame economic headwinds, the softness of the toilet roll or the colour of his tie, he has objectives to achieve, and if he fails to achieve them i can accept that, so long as i can see the progress being made. If all i hear is excuses, i lose faith in my sales manager, and i find a new one.

And unlike you say, they are not ten a penny. They are like rocking horse shit, because the good ones are already in good jobs. But i have to find them, because i cant allow my business to stagnate.

Perfect analogy.

[Ted Hughes]

As a business we aren't doing to bad and have invested well for now and the future. However, you cannot equate what goes on, on the football pitch in the terms I mention to a normal business. On the pitch you have to rely on the players to do the job and when incidents take some of your best players away then you cannot function at the same pace. Yes, similar to any other business but in those terms you have the way-with-all to bring in a suitable replacement on tap, rather than await return from fitness or punishment.

Bad analogy..

Do you work in the civil service, because all i hear is excuses, not answers.

The manager of my sales team is to me, more important than any bean counter or techie, because without the sales team there is no business. As a result, realistic objectives are set and agreed each year, and adjusted quarterly dependant upon outside influences and prior performance.

It makes no difference if someone is off sick, It is the managers art to get the extra out of those who remain.

It makes no difference if a competitor has a competetive advantage, we manage that advantage by setting a strategy which helps us to punch above our weight.

It makes no difference if the sales manager wants to blame economic headwinds, the softness of the toilet roll or the colour of his tie, he has objectives to achieve, and if he fails to achieve them i can accept that, so long as i can see the progress being made. If all i hear is excuses, i lose faith in my sales manager, and i find a new one.

And unlike you say, they are not ten a penny. They are like rocking horse shit, because the good ones are already in good jobs. But i have to find them, because i cant allow my business to stagnate.

Perfect analogy.

So if your lot are the second best in the country with a fair chance of being 1st it's a problem ?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

It makes no difference if the sales manager wants to blame economic headwinds, the softness of the toilet roll or the colour of his tie, he has objectives to achieve, and if he fails to achieve them i can accept that, so long as i can see the progress being made. If all i hear is excuses, i lose faith in my sales manager, and i find a new one.

Perfect analogy.

Umph....but isn't that what Mancini has done so far? Made constant progress towards ultimate goal? I haven't seen Mancini make too many excuses really.

[Im_Spartacus]

So if your lot are the second best in the country with a fair chance of being 1st it's a problem ?

If all i hear is excuses, yes.

If i keep being told that next week will be better, yes

Fact is though, that unless the guy is an utter cunt and doing harm to the business with ineptitude, they wont be leaving until im ready to replace them. And i shoulder the responsibility for having had an error of judgement in the first place.

One can talk about long term plans, but in business you only have one chance each year to win the big prize of achieving you target.. In fact Mancini has had 5 chances, and outright blew 4 of them with his inability to answer the tactical questions asked of him by the competition. I would have issue with that, if i felt his approach to managing the resources he had, was the primary cause of the failure.

[Beefymcfc]

As a business we aren't doing to bad and have invested well for now and the future. However, you cannot equate what goes on, on the football pitch in the terms I mention to a normal business. On the pitch you have to rely on the players to do the job and when incidents take some of your best players away then you cannot function at the same pace. Yes, similar to any other business but in those terms you have the way-with-all to bring in a suitable replacement on tap, rather than await return from fitness or punishment.

Bad analogy..

Do you work in the civil service, because all i hear is excuses, not answers.

The manager of my sales team is to me, more important than any bean counter or techie, because without the sales team there is no business. As a result, realistic objectives are set and agreed each year, and adjusted quarterly dependant upon outside influences and prior performance.

It makes no difference if someone is off sick, It is the managers art to get the extra out of those who remain.

It makes no difference if a competitor has a competetive advantage, we manage that advantage by setting a strategy which helps us to punch above our weight.

It makes no difference if the sales manager wants to blame economic headwinds, the softness of the toilet roll or the colour of his tie, he has objectives to achieve, and if he fails to achieve them i can accept that, so long as i can see the progress being made. If all i hear is excuses, i lose faith in my sales manager, and i find a new one.

And unlike you say, they are not ten a penny. They are like rocking horse shit, because the good ones are already in good jobs. But i have to find them, because i cant allow my business to stagnate.

Perfect analogy.

So, is the firm you work for in the top 2 within your sphere?

[Ted Hughes]

So if your lot are the second best in the country with a fair chance of being 1st it's a problem ?

If all i hear is excuses, yes.

If i keep being told that next week will be better, yes

Fact is though, that unless the guy is an utter cunt and doing harm to the business with ineptitude, they wont be leaving until im ready to replace them. And i shoulder the responsibility for having had an error of judgement in the first place.

One can talk about long term plans, but in business you only have one chance each year to win the big prize of achieving you target.. In fact Mancini has had 5 chances, and outright blew 4 of them with his inability to answer the tactical questions asked of him by the competition. I would have issue with that, if i felt his approach to managing the resources he had, was the primary cause of the failure.

So how would you go about replacing him ?

A bloke who has been shuffled around from one company to another, a young up & coming bloke with no experience or try to pinch the top geezer from Microsoft because you'd read in the Daily Mirror that he may fancy the job so sack your bloke & hope it's genuine?

[Im_Spartacus]

Umph....but isn't that what Mancini has done so far? Made constant progress towards ultimate goal? I haven't seen Mancini make too many excuses really.

Eeees tired, eeees normal

No, he had 5 bites at the cherry, and his negative approach to the cups cost 3 of them.

He has been asked questions that he has been unable to answer now for several months.

At this level, i dont think that is something you can just glaze over with a vague expectation (which in reality is nothing more than a hope) that next year will be somehow different.

[carl_feedthegoat]

It makes no difference if the sales manager wants to blame economic headwinds, the softness of the toilet roll or the colour of his tie, he has objectives to achieve, and if he fails to achieve them i can accept that, so long as i can see the progress being made. If all i hear is excuses, i lose faith in my sales manager, and i find a new one.

Perfect analogy.

Umph....but isn't that what Mancini has done so far? Made constant progress towards ultimate goal? I haven't seen Mancini make too many excuses really.

Too tired (x that by 100 quotes) too many games (x that by 300 quotes) 3 games every week (started saying this last summer) Aguero injury will cost us the title.

Mate - at least try and fucking not be biased for fucks sake !!

[Im_Spartacus]

So, is the firm you work for in the top 2 within your sphere?

Since starting the business a few years ago, i'd say more a stature of a crawley town right now.

But prior to that, yes

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Umph....but isn't that what Mancini has done so far? Made constant progress towards ultimate goal? I haven't seen Mancini make too many excuses really.

Eeees tired, eeees normal

No, he had 5 bites at the cherry, and his negative approach to the cups cost 3 of them.

He has been asked questions that he has been unable to answer now for several months.

At this level, i dont think that is something you can just glaze over with a vague expectation (which in reality is nothing more than a hope) that next year will be somehow different.

So basically you'd want some Redknapplike rent-a-quote in charge?

[DoomMerchant]

So, is the firm you work for in the top 2 within your sphere?

Since starting the business a few years ago, i'd say more a stature of a crawley town right now.

But prior to that, yes

i totally work for Stockport County or maybe Portsmouth right now it feels like. In the past i worked for Lille, and also West Ham United. We are partnered with fantastic firms such as Chelsea, who treat us like dog shit, but let us eat it as a treat and pet us while we do so.

cheers

[bigblue]

So if your lot are the second best in the country with a fair chance of being 1st it's a problem ?

If all i hear is excuses, yes.

If i keep being told that next week will be better, yes

Depends on the size of the market and how strong the the competition is. If we're #2 in that world at selling financial products to large institutions, I wouldn't be worried at all. But if we're #2 in selling hot dogs at the local stadium, I'd be pissed. And the PL is a huge market with intense competition.

You say all you hear is excuses, but all I hear from you is complaints

[Beefymcfc]

[Im_Spartacus]

So if your lot are the second best in the country with a fair chance of being 1st it's a problem ?

If all i hear is excuses, yes.

If i keep being told that next week will be better, yes

Depends on the size of the market and how strong the the competition is. If we're #2 in that world at selling financial products to large institutions, I wouldn't be worried at all. But if we're #2 in selling hot dogs at the local stadium, I'd be pissed. And the PL is a huge market with intense competition.

You say all you hear is excuses, but all I hear from you is complaints

Its because i'm not in charge ;0)

[Swales4ever]

I'm becoming quite bored about all this wagons circled against the Spartacus lad and his always fairly stated concerns about Mancini.
Someone's else despise of the current manager had me very annoyed but Spartacus holds genuine concerns, always deemed to his vision for the Club's best, and whether I don't agree with him I have plenty of respect for his brave stances.
for what is worth...

[mr_nool]

Don't know what you're talking about, but great song!

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[Swales4ever]

I certainly do Erik, while perhaps dont spell it better.
always loved Neil Young, Stephen Stills, Jim Messinaand Richie Furay, tho.
possibly even more on their next stages

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

My apologies Doomie Mate but maybe it's my cynicism.
I think it ironic that there were those who wanted Hughes out, got Hughes out.
WE ARE NO FURTHER ON.

Now some are preparing battle lines to get rid of Mancini and will probably succeed and be happy as fuck.
My gut feeling says in another 2 years time the roundabout will have turned full circle AND WE'LL BE NO FURTHER ON... again.

Maybe Piccs has a banner that just says "OUT" and has a a velcro fastener to stick the current victims name on.

Now now John. I WASN'T in the Hughes out brigade. As a general rule I support the notion of long term stability, and like you I believe changing managers constantly, is damaging.
But... I have never been convinced by Mancini and believe that come the big moment he will always shit out.
First revealed when we needed a win at Arsenal in our quest for Champions League football and we got to play against a weakened side. And even though a point still left us behind Spurs, he set up with just one striker and played for that very same 'useless' point. No surprise that ultimately we missed our target. It was his fault.
We played the sort of football I want to see this season, up until the Chelsea defeat. Since then he has disappeared back into his shell. Reverted to his natural negative instincts. And yet we look best when we attack. It's clear for all to see. But Mancini can't help himself. This half arsed away form is his fault.
So yes, stability is a wonderful thing, but don't just stick with somebody for the sake of saying we have it.
I like Bob, I want him to succeed, I was happy to shown that he could preside over attacking winning football. But ultimately he has fucked it up with his natural penchant for a defensive negative style. I just think he always will.

Fact that you WEREN'T in Hughes out brigade and now are leader of the pack for Mancini out posse really tells all there is to know.

What pack? What is that meant to mean?
I post my own views regardless.
Incidentally, there are a lot of people at the games who are becoming as frustrated with Mancini. He will come under pressure very soon.

The wolf pack on Mancini's tails. Made of these "people at the games".

Also the famous "people at the games" or even better "lot of people sitting around me" is aimed at some sort of argument bodyslam towards people who for one reason or another don't go to games. Could it be that there are people in the stands who have just as varying opinions as we have here? Some love Mancini (at least many away supporters who still sing his name), some don't like him, some will trust blindly whatever club do, some are always sceptical and so on and so on. As if there's some group of people called "regulars" who share a brain.

I mention 'people at the match' merely because there is often a different feel to the opinion at the ground than on this forum. I'm not saying it is more influential than the internet, but it often feels. . . . well different. Similarly the away support is less hard line in general terms than the home crowd. I merely point out that there are more dissenting voices about Mancini than you might think if you read just the opinions here