Mancini has to go?

[Bianchi on Ice]

Blimey...Joe Kinnear...that would get us talking wouldnt it?

[Im_Spartacus]

As pissed off as I am, I think we should give Mancini another season. This could well be our moment, the one Ferguson had in 1991-92 season. He blew it at the end and was kept. The critical turning point in our season was Kompanys red card and the games we played Savic. Missing out on two cups from one card was a blow. with better center back cover we will be much better off.

When looking for replacements, the fact is hardly any manager has got the better of Ferguson over a season. I don't see the point in giving Manchini experience and then bringing in someone new who has to start over in the PL triyng to win it.

Bollocks that, we did fine in the league without, yaya, kolo, kompany didnt we?

[Moses]

Blimey...Joe Kinnear...that would get us talking wouldnt it?

I bet Kinnear would get City to play to Dzeko's strengths better than Mancini.

[Dronny]

So the list of replacements is as follows:

Mourinho
Benetiz
Pearce
Capello
Curbishley
Bruce
Pardew
Moyes
Hoddle
Kinear

Not saying I'd want to change but throw Lambert in to the equation and it might be slightly interesting.........for other's to debate as opposed to me wanting change.

[Moses]

Not saying I'd want to change but throw Lambert in to the equation and it might be slightly interesting.........for other's to debate as opposed to me wanting change.

List now edited and more comprehensive

[john@staustell]

Normally I dont agree with the general 'must have patience' argument, because there are too many Alan Balls and AVBs about. But changing managers with a track record of success because you come second instead of first, points us straight down the road of Chelsea - into more ridicule.

We moved Tony Book upstairs because finishing second wasn't good enough, and have been paying for that lunatic decision ever since.

Football is full of 'what ifs' but if the Evil Empire had followed the form they showed - with the worst squad in 20 years, and hadn't had so many cakey victories and referee aids, we'd still be well clear of everyone in top. Injuries (and Africa cup) affect all teams, but our run has come at the worst time, and to the worst possible players. As well as Tévez, we have lost Barry, Yaya (twice now), Kompany, Lescott, Agüero, Richards, Zaba, Silva (has been injured for months), and Mario is clearly a head case with a heavy dose of Peter Pans. Does this all lead to the firing of a manager who took Inter to 3 titles in a row, the first they won since Noah was a lad?

So we employ someone who probably turns out to worse, we spend weeks and months changing the way we play, we ship out half a dozen Mancini players and bring in half a dozen others. We start the season badly and struggle to keep up. We spiral down and down and Sheik M loses interest. Brilliant.

Sorry chaps but I am nearly 52 and I've been there before. We are pretty good, we are known throughout the world, we have put in performances which have sent shock waves through the world. And, just like in the 70s our fans have the patience of Caligula.

Consolidate, get rid of Tevez and Mario and bring in 3 or 4 top players. Start the season like a house on fire again, and this time keep it up!

"I've cured the boy's annoying cough, I cut off his head"

[Blue Since 76]

Do let me get this straight, people looking to fire Mancini think so because his tactics are wrong (second place in the league in his second year in charge) or because he didn't win the league(cause a team like liverpool hasn't had trouble winning this same trophy for a decade) or maybe because we only beat Scum 6-1 at their house(surely we should have had 2 more at least) but maybe its because we won the FA cup (to damn soon for such a dumb manager) I'm confused.

Third place in the league in his second season. This is his third season.

Because Liverpool haven't won it, we should just accept our poor form? Is that the same argument as because the rags have the experience we will never beat them?

Yay, we beat the rags. It was great. Probably even better than when Sven did it. I'm still laughing in their faces about the 5-1 as well and I can tell it's crushed them. The two CL trophies and god knows how many PL titles since haven't hidden the fact that little old City beat them once. If we beat them at home as well, that will prove once and for all that we're better than them, regardless of what the league says.

And yes, we won the FA Cup. So did Arry with Pompey. Millwall got to the final a few years ago. Got to be a bit better to win the league though. And Mancini isn't that bit better

[Gentlesnipes]

1. Mourinho ( guaranteed cup)

2. Guardiola (improve our passing game and bring some youngsters through from the academy)

3. Mancini remains ( get rid of balotelli, Kolarov, Savic, johnson, bridge and

4. Brenda Rodgers ( has done a great job with Swansea on limited resources)

[Rag_hater]

I don't see why people saying Jose will fuck off in a couple of years is a problem.This idea that we should have a manager for eons strikes me as daft.Keep on changing to keep things fresh is for me a better approach.

[Dazzacity]

We dont know what is going on behind the scenes but its obviuosly gone to the shit for some reason or another. Has he lost the changing room?? have we been found out and he has no plan B??. Either way, we need to be playing a hell of allot better and we should have wrapped this league up along time ago rather than handing it to the rags. Maybe the players are feeling dejected after having so much going against us, sides playing against us like its their cup final day but then playing the rags likes its someones testimonial, plus the fact that the fookers have the ref playing for them. As a fan, Iv got to the point where Iv sat watching the rags getting the rub of the green and sides putting in half arses performances and thought to myslef 'this is fookin impossible for us' maybe the players are thinking the same?? Its obviuose that these sort of thoughts are circulating around the club with the comments made by Vieira and Mancini.

On the other hand. We have to ask 'what the fook is mancini thinking!!!' Dropping players left,right and centre. Insisting on playing Balotelli week in week out when he has looked nothing more than a loose cannon. What was he thinking keepin him on!! I was shouting my head off for the useless tosser to change something!! when did he bring Tevez on?? with 5mins to go!! what is that all about. fookin unreal and its things like that that could well have cost us the title.Personally, I think he is now out of his depth,lost the changing room and also just given up. Id only get rid as longs as we could get someone like Jose.

[johnny crossan]

After today and his remarks after the game i cannot for the life of me see how he can remain in charge.Please someone tell me i am wrong.But the big ? is who do we/can we get to replace him.

is there a vid of the post match interview anywhere? His remarks about Mario seem quite understandable given what happened, what else did he say that is bothering people?

[Im_Spartacus]

is there a vid of the post match interview anywhere? His remarks about Mario seem quite understandable given what happened, what else did he say that is bothering people?

It is more bothering that given his post match comments were more about he tackle balo was not sent off for, that mancini left him on the pitch. Mancini made himself look a complete fuckwit, somehow his comments were more like that of a detatched pundit, on a sofa, rather than the man who had the power (and some would say responsibility) to drag him for 60 minutes after he committed the foul mancini referred to.

[13021J]

It would be crazy to sack Mancini. Would reek of Abramovich-esque knee jerk reaction

[Im_Spartacus]

It would be crazy to sack Mancini. Would reek of Abramovich-esque knee jerk reaction

Who says it would be kneejerk?

Many would point to his other tactical masterstrokes in games at a crucial point in the season, not just the game this weekend, or indeed this season.

If the owner or chairman thinks someoneelse available could have done a better job, then bobby is toast.

[Ted Hughes]

Even if Mancini was deemed to be not good enough at this time, there would be no point in sacking him unless it was almost certain that his replacement was going to bring something to the club which was an improvement & a help to our future success.

However much people such as myself can slaughter him for his lousy performance v Arsenal (& some site other occasions), it's only an advantage to sack him if the bloke replacing him can be relied upon not to make the same number of mistakes.

Much as I feel like pouring a pint over his head after that pile of dogshit on Sunday, I don't want him sacking out of vengeance.

[brite blu sky]

Even if Mancini was deemed to be not good enough at this time, there would be no point in sacking him unless it was almost certain that his replacement was going to bring something to the club which was an improvement & a help to our future success.

However much people such as myself can slaughter him for his lousy performance v Arsenal (& some site other occasions), it's only an advantage to sack him if the bloke replacing him can be relied upon not to make the same number of mistakes.

Much as I feel like pouring a pint over his head after that pile of dogshit on Sunday, I don't want him sacking out of vengeance.

I remember having a similar argument a long while back when weak performances lost us vital games. But what is the split of responsibility between managers and players in these circumstances? Don't get me wrong Mancini could have both chosen different players to start and made a better attempt to sort things out during the game; ultimately the manager shoulders the responsibility yes. But within that he puts the players out that should be able to do a competent job.. they don't.. isn't then a fair whack of responsibility on the players too.
My own sense on Sunday was more that the players were just not up for it, yes they looked like they needed an outlet up the field but to be honest they were not getting stuck in enough to make a case for it, looking at them I don't believe it would have made one jot of difference.
I rekon the players got caught in the headlights and couldn't respond, dumping all the blame on Mancini is crucially missing the point imo.

[Im_Spartacus]

I remember having a similar argument a long while back when weak performances lost us vital games. But what is the split of responsibility between managers and players in these circumstances? Don't get me wrong Mancini could have both chosen different players to start and made a better attempt to sort things out during the game; ultimately the manager shoulders the responsibility yes. But within that he puts the players out that should be able to do a competent job.. they don't.. isn't then a fair whack of responsibility on the players too.
My own sense on Sunday was more that the players were just not up for it, yes they looked like they needed an outlet up the field but to be honest they were not getting stuck in enough to make a case for it, looking at them I don't believe it would have made one jot of difference.
I rekon the players got caught in the headlights and couldn't respond, dumping all the blame on Mancini is crucially missing the point imo.

Absolutely not.

I was reasonably happy with the first half in that we too all they had to throw at us, then grew into the game taking back control of the midfield and cutting off their supply. However we were completely unable to penetrate in that game from first minute to last. Yes, some players may be off colour or having a stinker, but at the end of the day the manager is paid to manage that.

Whatever the reason for the performance, whether it is players who dont want to play for him, players who were not good enough, or tactics, that buck firmly stops with him, as he is the only person who has it within his power to influence and change every one of those factors.

He didnt, as he did not too many times now for it to be a coincidence.

[Ted Hughes]

I remember having a similar argument a long while back when weak performances lost us vital games. But what is the split of responsibility between managers and players in these circumstances? Don't get me wrong Mancini could have both chosen different players to start and made a better attempt to sort things out during the game; ultimately the manager shoulders the responsibility yes. But within that he puts the players out that should be able to do a competent job.. they don't.. isn't then a fair whack of responsibility on the players too.
My own sense on Sunday was more that the players were just not up for it, yes they looked like they needed an outlet up the field but to be honest they were not getting stuck in enough to make a case for it, looking at them I don't believe it would have made one jot of difference.
I rekon the players got caught in the headlights and couldn't respond, dumping all the blame on Mancini is crucially missing the point imo.

Absolutely not.

I was reasonably happy with the first half in that we too all they had to throw at us, then grew into the game taking back control of the midfield and cutting off their supply. However we were completely unable to penetrate in that game from first minute to last. Yes, some players may be off colour or having a stinker, but at the end of the day the manager is paid to manage that.

Whatever the reason for the performance, whether it is players who dont want to play for him, players who were not good enough, or tactics, that buck firmly stops with him, as he is the only person who has it within his power to influence and change every one of those factors.

He didnt, as he did not too many times now for it to be a coincidence.

I agree.

I had little complaint about our 1st half, we kept in the game with a bit of good fortune & some stoical defending, took the sting out of Arsenal & set ourselves up for the big finish, where we bring on Tevez & Dzeko & blast Arsenal out of the game with constant pressure around their penalty area, like champions do. Then took off Nasri & brought on Kolarov because we wre worried.


It was shameful & there's no excuse for it but once again, it's not only Mancini that fucks up; all managers do.

If we are to replace him, there has to be strong evidence that the bloke who comes in will be significantly better, rather than just sacking Bob as punishment because he makde some mistakes.

If we were to sack him & get it wrong, we would be going from a position of great strength as a club, with loads of future options, to one of vulnerability with few options left.

[Im_Spartacus]

I agree.

I had little complaint about our 1st half, we kept in the game with a bit of good fortune & some stoical defending, took the sting out of Arsenal & set ourselves up for the big finish, where we bring on Tevez & Dzeko & blast Arsenal out of the game with constant pressure around their penalty area, like champions do. Then took off Nasri & brought on Kolarov because we wre worried.

It was shameful & there's no excuse for it but once again, it's not only Mancini that fucks up; all managers do.

If we are to replace him, there has to be strong evidence that the bloke who comes in will be significantly better, rather than just sacking Bob as punishment because he makde some mistakes.

If we were to sack him & get it wrong, we would be going from a position of great strength as a club, with loads of future options, to one of vulnerability with few options left.

Remember the subtitution that got ranieri sacked...........champions league semi final vs monaco, chelsea would probably have won the bloody competition but he did something similar. I remember watching it at the time thinking my god, what the fuck has he just done...............

Mourinho came in, took ranieris squad to the next level in the league, and the rest is history. Ranieri was that close to greatness, but he reverted to being italian at the crucial moment.

Incredible paralells one might say

[brite blu sky]

The only part of the sentiments in the last two posts I agree with are that the buck stops with the manager... so over time he has to sort out any deficiency, motivational or technical. I believe that Mancini has work to do on both those. However I firmly believe that the players shoulder a large part of any responsibility in games. On Sunday I saw a lot of City players struggling to cope and not responding with enough effort, I don't care what the manager says or doesn't in such a game there is no need whatsoever for any motivation.

Outside Sunday, recently the team has lost its mojo.. in fact it has been steadily slipping since new year. Instead of reacting to one off games I think it is more insightful to look at the bigger picture.. especially when discussing the manager's role.

1st half season: Mancini arrived and shored up the defence - but City struggled to play out of midfield, the attack was ad hoc at best.
2nd season: Mancini gets the midfield operating, slowly but surely they learn how to play forwards - the attack is still a complete shambles but starts to improve just a bit, relied basically on Tevez's one man show.
3rd Season: Attack is bolted on, some class players finally take advantage of City's solidity out of defence and dominant midfield, team goes bananas on a total high... but something is not quite right yet but City get away with it because teams are basically too frightened to try and play us. Nasri is not really performing, Silva is getting tired, Yaya disappears. The onus of responsibility to carry on playing like we were shifts to other players. Dzeko can't step it up enough, his touch is inconsistent, Balotelli is a wildcard at best and Tevez has gone awol. Cracks are appearing and soft goals are conceeded on a regular basis, because by now the team is actually trying to play in a way that it cannot sustain, leaves stupid gaps assuming they will keep and hold possession and that oppos won't try anything too daring. Bang, Bang, Bang we lose games left right and centre due to leaving the defence out on a limb. Oppos take note, City have a weakness, thanks Napoli.

Basically and quite literally we have gone backwards. We have lost the confidence of the forward midfield and attack, it no longer functions.

I have been blabbing on all fucking year about the fact that bringing in players and it clicking is pure luck and exuberance. When that initial surge goes it is down to the hard business of making that exuberance occur WHEN you want it to and not by chance.
Welcome to the real world.. it isn't easy.
That and only that is what this team is suffering from... it isn't just play it is serious.

Again I have said it all fucking year that this would happen and it would take some epiphany or crisis to shake it all out. I have also been saying that it will only be next season when Mancini should be judged as there were too many new faces coming in in one go to have the time to make the team, other than pure luck. Dzeko only came the prev Jan, Balo was out for large chunks of the prev season, Nasri, Aguero came at the last minute before the season. Bar Silva that is the whole attacking line up to sort itself and shake out. Not going to happen and never would. No-one on here seems to be able to accept it - apart from say john68 and others with long standing experience - but time is needed for these things to be sorted out. Not never ending time, but reasonable time.
We lost - we are not yet good enough - get over it and stop whinging and look again at the club motto.

Just to confirm all this i would like to see Mancini keep the same players next season and get on with it. I can only make a case for another decent ball keeper/player in midfield and we will win the title.