Pressure off = change of form?

[Beefymcfc]

So what your saying is the players are underperforming.

So that means either Mancini cant get the best out of them, or they dont want to play for him.

Which do you think it is?

Why are those the only two options?! It could mean that it was the first time that they have collectively been challenging for a title at this stage in the season. It could mean that fatigue got the best of them. It could mean that they were not strong enough mentally as individuals. It could mean that other teams have been raising their game against us and the players weren't used to it. It could mean many, many things.

Quit framing the question in such narrow terms. You'd make a perfect writer for Sky, where they only opinions are: "Mancini is not good enough" or "The players don't respect Mancini" - Regurgitating bullshit

I'm seeing a lot of that on here lately. It's entertaining though.

[Ted Hughes]

Well now the pressures off Mancini needs to come up with a new plan, a new pattern of play, that will get us scoring goals again and winning matches.

Why?

How about our world class players actually start performing to their ability. You know - stop fucking up 5 yard passes, stop booting the ball to no one up field, stop dribbling into closed alleys, stop being afraid to shoot, stop losing concentration on basic defensive duties... all signs of pressure getting to them. If our team plays to their ability, we should steamroller people.

Why reinvent the wheel when we just need more air in the tire

Because there's more to football than just tactics charts & he is the bloke who signed most of them. It's his job.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not. If not - no matter how you arrange the X's and O's, no matter how much you drill the proper way of playing in the team's head - they still have to walk onto the field and actually perform. And I don't think anyone can say that our players have done our team justice with their levels of performance recently.

I could see blaming most of our recent form on Mancini if the players didn't fuck up the most basic details of the game. But the team got scared (or something) and under-performed. Hopefully now that the pressure is off, the aggregated nervousness and disappointment will be vented into an unequivocal destruction of any team before us

If it was always purely down to players, then every team would just have one manager, until he died, then get another one.

Someone has to get them performing when things go pear shaped. That is Bob. He gets really well paid for it.

He has spent millions & if he's signed a bunch of players who can't respond to his instructions, it's his fault. He has had enough time & money to replace everyone in the team & sign a replacement for them.

If he can't do it, he can go. But I would make that judgement after next season, when hopefully the snags will be ironed out.

That's unless he can't get them to finish the season properly now, in which case he has to go now, because it will mean he's lost control of them.

[bigblue]

If it was always purely down to players, then every team would just have one manager, until he died, then get another one.

Someone has to get them performing when things go pear shaped. That is Bob. He gets really well paid for it.

He has spent millions & if he's signed a bunch of players who can't respond to his instructions, it's his fault. He has had enough time & money to replace everyone in the team & sign a replacement for them.

If he can't do it, he can go. But I would make that judgement after next season, when hopefully the snags will be ironed out.

That's unless he can't get them to finish the season properly now, in which case he has to go now, because it will mean he's lost control of them.

What about Platt or Kidd, why are they spared the blame? Most management setups that I've heard of is the manager decides the tactics and team selection, while the coaches become more personable with the players and work to motivate the team. Much like an executive/middle-management setup in many companies.

I'm just confused when we have 1 manager, 2 coaches, and 24 players, yet the one manager gets 95% of the blame. You change managers if you need a different strategy. You change personnel if they are not performing up to standard. And I'd say our strategy is working great. Our performance levels, not so much.

[Ted Hughes]

If it was always purely down to players, then every team would just have one manager, until he died, then get another one.

Someone has to get them performing when things go pear shaped. That is Bob. He gets really well paid for it.

He has spent millions & if he's signed a bunch of players who can't respond to his instructions, it's his fault. He has had enough time & money to replace everyone in the team & sign a replacement for them.

If he can't do it, he can go. But I would make that judgement after next season, when hopefully the snags will be ironed out.

That's unless he can't get them to finish the season properly now, in which case he has to go now, because it will mean he's lost control of them.

What about Platt or Kidd, why are they spared the blame? Most management setups that I've heard of is the manager decides the tactics and team selection, while the coaches become more personable with the players and work to motivate the team. Much like an executive/middle-management setup in many companies.

I'm just confused when we have 1 manager, 2 coaches, and 24 players, yet the one manager gets 95% of the blame. You change managers if you need a different strategy. You change personnel if they are not performing up to standard. And I'd say our strategy is working great. Our performance levels, not so much.

They will go with him if he gets fired, unless the next manager requests them. I don't understand what your point is.

[Grob]

So what your saying is the players are underperforming.

So that means either Mancini cant get the best out of them, or they dont want to play for him.

Which do you think it is?

Why are those the only two options?! It could mean that it was the first time that they have collectively been challenging for a title at this stage in the season. It could mean that fatigue got the best of them. It could mean that they were not strong enough mentally as individuals. It could mean that other teams have been raising their game against us and the players weren't used to it. It could mean many, many things.

Quit framing the question in such narrow terms. You'd make a perfect writer for Sky, where they only opinions are: "Mancini is not good enough" or "The players don't respect Mancini" - Regurgitating bullshit

How do you know the doubled quoted remarks above are bullshit. Theres a chance they are not based on what we've been viewing from City for a fair while.

Apologies for the narrow optioned question. I appreciate the responses but to me, Mancini has won 3 league titles. He should know what it takes to win a 38 game league campaign and in my opinion players shouldnt be getting fatigued, the team shouldnt be wilting under the pressure. The manager has dealt with these situations 3 timesin theory and got it right 3 times. He should know how to guide them through this.

But he hasnt.

[bigblue]

They will go with him if he gets fired, unless the next manager requests them. I don't understand what your point is.

While I didn't say it directly, only someone intentionally looking past what I wrote wouldn't get it. My point is that maybe replacing Kidd or Platt would be more effective than completely changing everything. If you blame a lack of motivation for our results, look whose job it really is to motivate (and not in your ideal management setup, but in how ours is actually supposed to work).

I'm for having all of them stay and I think the results in the next 6 games will justify it. But whats your point?

[brite blu sky]

Well now the pressures off Mancini needs to come up with a new plan, a new pattern of play, that will get us scoring goals again and winning matches.

Why?

How about our world class players actually start performing to their ability. You know - stop fucking up 5 yard passes, stop booting the ball to no one up field, stop dribbling into closed alleys, stop being afraid to shoot, stop losing concentration on basic defensive duties... all signs of pressure getting to them. If our team plays to their ability, we should steamroller people.

Why reinvent the wheel when we just need more air in the tire

So what your saying is the players are underperforming.

So that means either Mancini cant get the best out of them, or they dont want to play for him.

Which do you think it is?

Now that's what I call biased questioning! you should go get a job with sky Grob you would fit like a glove.

[Grob]

Well now the pressures off Mancini needs to come up with a new plan, a new pattern of play, that will get us scoring goals again and winning matches.

Why?

How about our world class players actually start performing to their ability. You know - stop fucking up 5 yard passes, stop booting the ball to no one up field, stop dribbling into closed alleys, stop being afraid to shoot, stop losing concentration on basic defensive duties... all signs of pressure getting to them. If our team plays to their ability, we should steamroller people.

Why reinvent the wheel when we just need more air in the tire

So what your saying is the players are underperforming.

So that means either Mancini cant get the best out of them, or they dont want to play for him.

Which do you think it is?

Now that's what I call biased questioning! you should go get a job with sky Grob you would fit like a glove.

Clearly you didnt read my post at the bottom of page 1 then?

[brite blu sky]

Unpopular at the moment but my view is that almost nothing needs changing. I'd say a couple of new players at best as long as one is something in between a Silva and a Yaya.
There is a change that is going to happen anyway, that is the Chief Exec. That alone will boost things and put a bit wind up the place anyway. He may bring in a director of something or other too.

More on topic, I'd be wary that the WBA game will show a total response, we may get frustrated by Brom and it turns into a drudge game with our players reacting badly - basically lingering anger at Sunday. Hopefully that wont happen, but I wont be going ballistic if it does.

Beyond that yes I'd expect a healthy response that the freedom from pressure will give. That would be nice as it would set up the coming derby in a different light altogether. - read we fucking pan them again.
Some i think like me have said that they feared the team needed a catalyst to shake out and shape up. I've felt that since the start of the season went so fucking well for no reason other than some good players got thrown on the pitch together. They never had to work through the tough stuff to get somewhere. I was actually expecting the shit to hit the fan in the first half of the Arse game with someone having been sent off or something, arguments, tantrums you name it before they came out and started to play as if they didn't care - and by default regain their mojo. Well it didn't happen quite like that, but the effect is perhaps the same now, so bar a bit of sweat to come out v Brom they should be regaining the form they had before xmas. If they are as good as they / we would like to think they are maybe they will even surpass that. I'd like to see some quality interplay involving Nasri and I'd like to see some top class stuff from Dzeko.

[blues2win]

So Mancini will deliver when the pressure's off will he? Bully for him. So the answer next season is not to challenge for the title so we'll be in our comfort zone. Bollocks. I want the team challenging for the major european and domestic honours each season and I want the manager and his players delivering under that pressure.

A win against West Brom tomorrow won't remotely make up for the shameful surrender at the Emirates which summed up our wretched 2012.

[bigblue]

So Mancini will deliver when the pressure's off will he? Bully for him. So the answer next season is not to challenge for the title so we'll be in our comfort zone. Bollocks. I want the team challenging for the major european and domestic honours each season and I want the manager and his players delivering under that pressure.

A win against West Brom tomorrow won't remotely make up for the shameful surrender at the Emirates which summed up our wretched 2012.

I see you missed the entire point of the thread

[Swales4ever]

I would like to see some of the best youngsters get into the squad. Not as starters but as alternatives to bring on during games. Many times in the past, young players have risen to the challenge in these type of situations & it has caused an upturn in their performance level& moved them into contention for the following season.

It would also lift the crowd, which is important.

This is another area where Bob could now show some spark & ingenuity.

Yap, that was my very first thought on sunday night when the mad anger started to dust, while my dick was still on strike to even please the missus needs!
"Let's just start Wabara Rekik Suarez Roman, Scapuzzi surrounded by few of the most experienced blokes from the first team, and sad that Razak Assulin and Guidetti are not available for selection. Let's show that bunch of pussies what desire is made of!!!"
not completely sure about the lift of the crowd bit, when remembering a certain League Cup game of the recent past, tho.

then, on a most settled thinkering I did realize that the output from the next six games will be capital for the stability of the future project, as the Board and the Fans have to understand either if the manager is retaining the players faith for his leadership and some individuals have to show up if their attitude is fit enough for the pride of wearing a light blue shirt. So perhaps a milder use of the youngsters, as You suggest, would be the best option.

[ruralblue]

It's up to us to keep the pressure ON, it isn't over yet there will be a twist in the next 6 games! Maybe and hopefully starting tonight. Fingers crossed that for once a team fighting for it's life doesn't roll over against the red scum and comes out to attack them!. We won't lose tonight or draw for that matter I am sure we will play to our strengths and would be great to see the team play like we did at the start of the season and bag a handful of goals.

IT ISN'T OVER YET!

[Arjan Van Schotte]

the team are obviously more than capable of winning all the remaining games, but i just don't see that it was "pressure" that caused a substantial loss of form for the last 3 months. confidence, maybe, so if it was "confidence", it will hardly have been improved by losing so abjectly at arsenal. ergo, you'd expect us to continue in a similar vein... winning at home and struggling away. perhaps having balo out of the squad for the remaining games might spark an improvement?!

[Nigels Tackle]

It's up to us to keep the pressure ON, it isn't over yet there will be a twist in the next 6 games! Maybe and hopefully starting tonight. Fingers crossed that for once a team fighting for it's life doesn't roll over against the red scum and comes out to attack them!. We won't lose tonight or draw for that matter I am sure we will play to our strengths and would be great to see the team play like we did at the start of the season and bag a handful of goals.

IT ISN'T OVER YET!

no believers allowed on here!!! it's over. finished. we've blown it. might as well give them the trophy at the dw tonight...

[Beefymcfc]

Well, I'm hoping that our home form continues (less the Blackcats game) as I'll be there in full force tonight. Hoping for a good atmosphere as the pressure should also be off us.

[CitizenYank]

It's obvious this team needs some maturity, whether they get it in six matches ....I don't know.
I do know that Mancini's job probably rests on how well the troops finish off the regular season.

[Ted Hughes]

They will go with him if he gets fired, unless the next manager requests them. I don't understand what your point is.

While I didn't say it directly, only someone intentionally looking past what I wrote wouldn't get it. My point is that maybe replacing Kidd or Platt would be more effective than completely changing everything. If you blame a lack of motivation for our results, look whose job it really is to motivate (and not in your ideal management setup, but in how ours is actually supposed to work).

I'm for having all of them stay and I think the results in the next 6 games will justify it. But whats your point?

Blaming the coaches for not doing the manager's job is childish & Mancini could have replaced them at any time.

I would prefer Mancini to stay but ONLY if the results justify it. If we can't play v WBA, Norwich, Wolves & QPR, they can all do one.

[dick dastardley]

Its mancinis fault were out of the running when we needed to win.it was far too late for strikers to make an impact.

No its not... it's down to a young inexperienced team cracking under the pressure... it wasn't Mancini who went out of form and stopped being able to string 3 passes together, it was the players... and they'll learn from it.

I think with the pressure off we will see a return to form, and from this I think the players will learn for next season, how to handle the pressure better.

If we win the next 6 games and end on 89 points we can be extremely proud of that total... any other year that would win the league easily.

so after about 70mins at arse they were over us like a rash, and we wasnt doing fuck all, at that point it was plain to see changes needed to be made, ballotelli was red waiting to happen, milner, nasri was shite along with numerous other players, then they score and were chasing a game we needed to win.
tevez was brought on with practically no game time i blame mancini for the arsenal defeat, he should have no problem getting that team in the right frame of mind to go out and win. we looked scared shitless and was piss poor.

[Beefymcfc]

Its mancinis fault were out of the running when we needed to win.it was far too late for strikers to make an impact.

No its not... it's down to a young inexperienced team cracking under the pressure... it wasn't Mancini who went out of form and stopped being able to string 3 passes together, it was the players... and they'll learn from it.

I think with the pressure off we will see a return to form, and from this I think the players will learn for next season, how to handle the pressure better.

If we win the next 6 games and end on 89 points we can be extremely proud of that total... any other year that would win the league easily.

so after about 70mins at arse they were over us like a rash, and we wasnt doing fuck all, at that point it was plain to see changes needed to be made, ballotelli was red waiting to happen, milner, nasri was shite along with numerous other players, then they score and were chasing a game we needed to win.
tevez was brought on with practically no game time i blame mancini for the arsenal defeat, he should have no problem getting that team in the right frame of mind to go out and win. we looked scared shitless and was piss poor.

I also blame him for the reverse fixture back in December.